Questions for Legend owners

[markinmichigan]

Great insight and advice Diga.

Mark in Michigan

 

[Jose159]

My backyard is blanketed with screws, nuts, bolts, and various types of nails. When I run my IF at around 6 or higher, most of the iron falsing is gone. However, I still run my IF at 0 most of the time, because there is a huge difference in iron unmasking performance between 0 and 6 or higher. The sweet spot for the IF where most of the iron unmasking difference comes in, is at 4-5

Ruining such a low IF, will of course introduce more iron falsing. That iron falsing can normally be identified by doing a short wiggle over the target. If Ferrocheck shows bars on the ferrous side, and no bars on the nonferrous side, then the target is almost guaranteed to be iron.

Thanks ...can you explain more in depth the advantages of running the IF on 0? I'm gonna try running a lower IF and use the wiggle method

 

[Diga]

Thanks ...can you explain more in depth the advantages of running the IF on 0? I'm gonna try running a lower IF and use the wiggle method

You're welcome.

The lower the IF, the better the iron unmasking. But, the lower the IF, the more iron falsing, and more time is spent identifying the iron falsing.

 

[Retiredsailor]

It really is much deeper of a coil than the smaller ones. I went over a couple of areas that I detected with LG24 and the 6" coil and found that the 11" is a deep seeker. Each has its benefits.

I noticed that you gave up on the 900, you liking the Legend?

Mark in Michigan

So far so good with the legend, only had it out twice, yesterday we got 2 ft of snow here in upstate ny so no detecting for a while.

 

[markinmichigan]

Yikes that is a lot of snow

Mark in Michigan

 

[TheFrood]

I have another Legend use question... particularly for Legend users who hunt in grass...
Do you get "beeps" when you hit a blade of grass with the coil? Was at a club treasure
hunt and generally I try to keep the coil flat on the ground... brushing the top of the
cut grass, and sometimes it's a constant stream of random beeps when doing this. It
also happens from time to time on the beach, but in the places I hunt I think in many
cases it's just changing EMI interference from moving up/down the beach. I've noticed
a few other issues developing in my Legend as well... What could cause the coil to react
to getting put in the water as if it's suffering heavy EMI interference? This happens with
either of the coils I have so I don't think it's coil related... It happens when the coil gets
wet. I'm trying to avoid sending the unit back in for service, so if this is something in the
settings it would be great to know!

 

[markinmichigan]

When I was swinging the at pro I noticed that a lot but not that much with the legend.
Make sure your connections are nice and tight. Make sure you do a clean ground balance. If you're getting a lot of noise change frequencies and see if that doesn't take EMI out of the equation.

Does it do it everywhere let us know.

Mark in Michigan

 

[TheFrood]

When I was swinging the at pro I noticed that a lot but not that much with the legend.
Make sure your connections are nice and tight. Make sure you do a clean ground balance. If you're getting a lot of noise change frequencies and see if that doesn't take EMI out of the equation.

Does it do it everywhere let us know.

Mark in Michigan

I've been noticing it happening more and more. Sometimes even just bumping the coil into something will make it
beep as if EMI interference (chittering but not a strong signal). BTW... it's not the coil wire. I've tested that both by
immobilizing it and by wiggling it. Same results with it immobilized, and no "beeps" if I wiggle it. I'll re-check the
connections. I checked them yesterday before detecting but I'll undo and pay special attention when reconnecting
them this time.

I get the weird results in lots of different places and in different modes... To be clear, it's not a constant static but
rather a "chirp" when the coil head bumps something. It's frustrating when detecting because I have no way of
checking (other than digging everything up) to see if it's just a very faint signal or if it's a problem with my detector.

 

[markinmichigan]

Seems to me that Oldkoot or Stetam had the same problem....Do a reset?

Mark in Michigan

 

[RobNC]

I've been noticing it happening more and more. Sometimes even just bumping the coil into something will make it
beep as if EMI interference (chittering but not a strong signal). BTW... it's not the coil wire. I've tested that both by
immobilizing it and by wiggling it. Same results with it immobilized, and no "beeps" if I wiggle it. I'll re-check the
connections. I checked them yesterday before detecting but I'll undo and pay special attention when reconnecting
them this time.

I get the weird results in lots of different places and in different modes... To be clear, it's not a constant static but
rather a "chirp" when the coil head bumps something. It's frustrating when detecting because I have no way of
checking (other than digging everything up) to see if it's just a very faint signal or if it's a problem with my detector.

This sounds very similar to what my new Legend and LG24 combo are doing. Just a blade of grass setting it off on my end or touching the coil (with no metal on my wrist/fingers, etc. Sensitivity turned down to 10 and still doing it. Mine came out of the box with 1.11 firmware installed. I have not messed with it on that end of things but have read some stuff online about issues after upgrading the firmware. Again, not the same for me as it came like this. In my case I'm convinced the LG24 coil is bad. The LG30 works a lot better/more stable which is really perplexing considering it is a bigger coil than the LG24. Something ain't right with mine either, that much I do know. My Equinox 800 and XP ORX don't act this way when coming into contact with grass blades or wiggling/movement.
I want to get this Legend going, I really have had my eyes on one for a while now and a bit disappointed so far.

 

[oldkoot]

Quarters should hit around 52 to 55 for me. Dimes 47 to 50. What coils do you have?

Mark in Michigan

That is interesting here where I am I have not dug 1 quarter that went up to 55 on the TIDs, most always quarters ring up on the Legend 50-52 most of the time 50 here where I detect on the TIDs, though I have dug one quarter that rang up 49, Dimes are most always 43-45 on the Legend Eisenhower $1 coin solid 55 no bouncing TIDs

its strange to me how different areas of the country the Legend can have such a variance on the TIDs

 

[oldkoot]

Seems to me that Oldkoot or Stetam had the same problem....Do a reset?

Mark in Michigan

@TheFrood I did and what I figured out is if you try to push the sensitivity to high the coil bump falsing will come into play and make the Legend sound off when bumping into things including stubble and grass, do not be afraid to lower your sensitivity down and see if it helps

when I start getting the bump sensitivity going the first thing I try is to lower my sensitivity down a bit, and most generally it helps

Just do not do like I did one time and lower your sensitivity down to 1-3 and then try to hunt for a hour while trying to figure out why your legend is not sounding off on anything including your digging shovel, and yes I accidentally did that, i had made some settings changes while in my house taking a break and I lowered my sensitivity down to I think it was 2 to stop the chatter from EMI while in my house, then I got distracted I then went over to a park across the street from my house proceeded to start detecting went along for about an hour, told the person I was detecting with that the ground seemed awful quiet, which where I detect and that park is never that quiet, I kept stopping and asking my friend if his Deus 1 was running quiet which he told me no, and then it dawned on me
(Hey stupid you forgot to raise your sensitivity back up), me and my buddy laughed about that for a good three or four hours, and every time he would come over where I was or I would go over where he was he would rib me and say you sure your sensitivity is up

 

[oldkoot]

This sounds very similar to what my new Legend and LG24 combo are doing. Just a blade of grass setting it off on my end or touching the coil (with no metal on my wrist/fingers, etc. Sensitivity turned down to 10 and still doing it. Mine came out of the box with 1.11 firmware installed. I have not messed with it on that end of things but have read some stuff online about issues after upgrading the firmware. Again, not the same for me as it came like this. In my case I'm convinced the LG24 coil is bad. The LG30 works a lot better/more stable which is really perplexing considering it is a bigger coil than the LG24. Something ain't right with mine either, that much I do know. My Equinox 800 and XP ORX don't act this way when coming into contact with grass blades or wiggling/movement.
I want to get this Legend going, I really have had my eyes on one for a while now and a bit disappointed so far.

Yours does sound more like a coil issue if you are at 10 on the sensitivity

 

[TheFrood]

@TheFrood I did and what I figured out is if you try to push the sensitivity to high the coil bump falsing will come into play and make the Legend sound off when bumping into things including stubble and grass, do not be afraid to lower your sensitivity down and see if it helps

when I start getting the bump sensitivity going the first thing I try is to lower my sensitivity down a bit, and most generally it helps

I've noticed that the chatter decreases if I lower the sensitivity, but I also notice that I miss a LOT of targets.

I think next weekend I'm going to have to finally just sit down and do some target and depth testing on the beach
at various sensitivity levels under controlled circumstances. Anyone interested in participating? I have clad,
silver coins, and one 7.5g gold ring to test with as well as a few pieces of silver chains. Have to figure out which So Cal
beach to go to.

 

[oldkoot]

I've noticed that the chatter decreases if I lower the sensitivity, but I also notice that I miss a LOT of targets.

I think next weekend I'm going to have to finally just sit down and do some target and depth testing on the beach
at various sensitivity levels under controlled circumstances. Anyone interested in participating? I have clad,
silver coins, and one 7.5g gold ring to test with as well as a few pieces of silver chains. Have to figure out which So Cal
beach to go to.

try lowering the sensitivity and then increasing the AG (Audio Gain) and see if it helps, let us know how it goes

 

[TheFrood]

try lowering the sensitivity and then increasing the AG (Audio Gain) and see if it helps, let us know how it goes

Oh! That reminds me to ask.. What does the AG do?
Also, what sensitivity do all of you generally use on your Legends?

*edit* I found the info. AG up to 6 will make deep targets have the same
volume as shallow targets. Since I generally look at the depth indicator to see the
depth rather than going by tone this should be very helpful.

Now I just need to figure out how what the max detection depths are at various
sensitivity (ie how much depth do you lose going down to 13-15 sensitivity
compared to 20+)

 

[oldkoot]

Oh! That reminds me to ask.. What does the AG do?
Also, what sensitivity do all of you generally use on your Legends?

*edit* I found the info. AG up to 6 will make deep targets have the same
volume as shallow targets. Since I generally look at the depth indicator to see the
depth rather than going by tone this should be very helpful.

Now I just need to figure out how what the max detection depths are at various
sensitivity (ie how much depth do you lose going down to 13-15 sensitivity
compared to 20+)

I set my sensitivity based on what the ground will allow me to set it at.

I detect a couple areas I can get away with running my sensitivity at 20-28, other areas I have had to drop my sensitivity even further below 20 i have one area I detect that i have had to go as low as 15-16 on the sensitivity just to stabilize my Legend, sensitivity should be set by what the ground you are detecting will allow you to get away with

Max sensitivity does not always translate to max depth contrary to what some may believe, there are some ground that increasing your gain I:E (sensitivity) can actually cost you depth, and lowering your sensitivity will help you with the Depth, when you try to run to high of sensitivity on heavily mineralized ground it enhances all the minerals or noise the Detector is hearing in the ground and can in fact cost you depth, same thing in areas that you are having issues with EMI, if you increase your gain it will enhance the issues from EMI.

 

[RobNC]

I set my sensitivity based on what the ground will allow me to set it at.

I detect a couple areas I can get away with running my sensitivity at 20-28, other areas I have had to drop my sensitivity even further below 20 i have one area I detect that i have had to go as low as 15-16 on the sensitivity just to stabilize my Legend, sensitivity should be set by what the ground you are detecting will allow you to get away with

Max sensitivity does not always translate to max depth contrary to what some may believe, there are some ground that increasing your gain I:E (sensitivity) can actually cost you depth, and lowering your sensitivity will help you with the Depth, when you try to run to high of sensitivity on heavily mineralized ground it enhances all the minerals or noise the Detector is hearing in the ground and can in fact cost you depth, same thing in areas that you are having issues with EMI, if you increase your gain it will enhance the issues from EMI.

This is a great bit of info here. I noticed that with other detectors. Running that sensitivity up too much can hurt you as much as running it too low. Learned that on my Equinox. In some areas you can't run it up too much. And I've seen times where at the same site I will have to either crank up or crank down sensitivity due to certain environmental things or ground conditions. I'd rather have stable operation than erratic beeping that gives me false signals.
The Legend has a lot of great things in it and I'm still in learning mode myself. (kinda sick but I like it this way)

 

[oldkoot]

Oh! That reminds me to ask.. What does the AG do?
Also, what sensitivity do all of you generally use on your Legends?

*edit* I found the info. AG up to 6 will make deep targets have the same
volume as shallow targets. Since I generally look at the depth indicator to see the
depth rather than going by tone this should be very helpful.

Now I just need to figure out how what the max detection depths are at various
sensitivity (ie how much depth do you lose going down to 13-15 sensitivity
compared to 20+)

Just be aware the ground you are detecting could be the cause of you not getting deep targets

and I will give you an example in my yard I have a test bed that is a little over two years old, where I layed that test bed has a layer of Magnetite I:E (IRON PARTICLES IN GROUND) i have 4-5 detectors that I am constantly testing and detecting with one being a PI (Pulse Induction) Detector the rest are VLF's none of those VLF's can see through the Magnetite deeper than 4-8 inches deep, my targets depth range runs from 3 inches deep down to 20 inches deep, none of my VLF's are going to hit those 20 inch deep targets or for that matter the targets that are 8-20 inches deep, that magnetite Layer runs from 4 inches deep down to 8-9 inches deep so for me when we are talking about depth if I get a VLF to hit a good non ferrous target over 6-8 inches deep I am extremely happy most of the time when I am talking deep targets what I mean for me personally 6-8 inches is a deep target for me

to top it off with the Magnetite there is also a heavy salt content in the same area, it makes for some very tough detecting, or testing of detectors because of all the different minerals that are in the ground

and I can hear you now (how do you know your ground is highly mineralized) the Legend has a mineralization meter as one of the features, when the Mineralization meter is activated it turns the Ferro Check meter into a mineralization meter, the Left side of that mineralization meter reads Iron Particles in ground, the right side of that same meter reads salt content in ground, when I activate that mineralization meter the Left side literally pegs at 10 bars I;E (Iron Particles in ground) Magnetite, the right side of that mineralization meter usually runs 7-8 bars sometimes 6 bars I:E Salt content in ground, the mixture of the Magnetite and salt makes for some tough detecting or testing, i installed my test bed there for a reason I wanted to see how capable my detectors are, because if they can see through that scenario and give me more than 6-8 inches of depth then I know they can get through any thing else i will encounter when I go out to detect in other areas, I have yet to try a detector than can hit targets deeper than 6-8 inches in my test bed, because of the things I mentioned and that includes the Legend.

with the Legend I run my IF down at 0-3 some times 4 most of the time i am on 0 which does seem to help with the unmasking of good targets, but not always, I also lower my sensitivity down so as to not have the detectors running unstable because of the highly mineralized ground I detect and test detectors on, you have to experiment with the settings and be willing to try different things, if they do not work start over from scratch perform a factory default reset and just start over.

 

[oldkoot]

This is a great bit of info here. I noticed that with other detectors. Running that sensitivity up too much can hurt you as much as running it too low. Learned that on my Equinox. In some areas you can't run it up too much. And I've seen times where at the same site I will have to either crank up or crank down sensitivity due to certain environmental things or ground conditions. I'd rather have stable operation than erratic beeping that gives me false signals.
The Legend has a lot of great things in it and I'm still in learning mode myself. (kinda sick but I like it this way)

This Video pretty much explains what I am stating to @TheFrood