Nox users question, 600 or 800

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...Will it see a silver dime 1 to 2 inches behind a nail? And ID it correct.....Bench test or in ground...Does it show both or ??...would like to know,,
Thanks,,,,
 
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Don't know about nail tests,but my 600 don't correctly ID anything,nails or no nails.And I'm not putting the machine down,if it says tone wise a coin is there,it's usually there.But in all honesty it's pot luck as to what it is,the ID is jumpy and never stable.I ground balance,noise cancelled and all that.And I've ran a Xterra 705 for alot of years,the nox is basically laid out like the Xterra..so no user error here,just a jumpy visual ID on the nox.
 
...Will it see a silver dime 1 to 2 inches behind a nail? And ID it correct.....Bench test or in ground...Does it show both or ??...would like to know,,
Thanks,,,,

I don't know what you are asking exactly.
The Nox is a very good detector in and around iron.
Stellar actually.

The 800 unit does perform a bit better than the 600 unit.
 
Calabash has a lot of good videos on the 800 and nails. Go look at his youtube.

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Yes,he has alot of nail videos,and he does a good job.But,he never shows the visual ID on any of them.Maybe he will make one and show what his machine is reading ID wise.I know from my use it's not good ,not as far as minelabs standards anyhow
I do want to ad somthing here tho.Ive been running my 600 with a iron bias of 1 and a recovery speed of 3...before I trade this machine off I’ve been thinking maybe I should drop my recovery speed to 2 or even 1..It might stabilize the ID some,not sure tho.I guess it would be a trade off too,missing masked targets with a slower recovery speed.
I’ve been digging a lot of coins,and although I rely first on tone,I like to rely on numbers to leave the pennies behind.No perfect world tho,I guess you got to take the bitter with the sweet, I did manage a 1913 barber dime in a trashy area the other day.ID was off,and audio was spotty but the nox did alert me to a coin being there somewhere near the rebar of the sidewalk.I sure wish they’d get a 6 inch coil out for it,make pinpointing easier and probably tighten the ID up.
 
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Would like to think they are the same other than the gold mode, free wireless module, better headphones, and backlight dimmer with the 800 but it would be good to know if one does actually have better depth than the other.
 
I cant say that it would ID correctly every single time , since there are many variables including the exact placement and orientation of the targets , and then if in the ground you have ground conditions that come into play too. But I can maneuver the coil around a very close set of dense targets in the ground and sort of " feel " around separate targets individually , sometimes correctly identifying a coin right in the middle of the mix. Depends on the exact scenerio though. As some say , the target ID isnt accurate a lot of times but Ive found that when its not , there is some blending of targets taking place , because the targets are so close. Normally , imagining the center line of the coil to be an actual narrow blade extending into the ground , I can wiggle the coil around at different angles and find sweet spots where the targets separate and ID correctly ......enough to tell there is a possible coin in there somewhere....though if you dont know what you are looking at it just looks like random numbers flashing on the screen. When I see the jumbled mix of numbers but 25-27 or 35-37 is showing up repeatedly I know there is a good chance of a dime or quarter being in there somewhere. But what I am describing here are 2 or more targets VERY close in relation to each other. When the targets are farther apart coins usually ID VERY accurately.

I have the 600 , but both models should perform nearly identical in this situation except for the possible slight advantage the 800 would have on its highest recovery speed setting.
 
Would like to think they are the same other than the gold mode, free wireless module, better headphones, and backlight dimmer with the 800 but it would be good to know if one does actually have better depth than the other.

Among the differences between the two , none should make a difference in depth potential.
 
Among the differences between the two , none should make a difference in depth potential.

True as far as solo sitting nonferrous targets.
Model 800 with faster speed setting does have potential to locate deeper mask nonferrous targets. Granted in some cases the 600 unit would be a no go in alerting on these same targets.

We don't usually associate maybe a no go with detecting vs a go with detecting on an actual depth difference. But in my mind it is.
 
Thanks for all the replys..
Yes, just seeing if you take a nail at say 4 " & silver dime at 5" directly under it would they both show on I'D or nail discd out would dime id?
Yes it does depend say angle, ground conditions, etc...just curious what a Equinox would show/sound.
 
I googled (equinox 600 recovery speed and depth) and a good video came up with a guy who has a piece of blue styrofoam cut up,with the coin at the bottom and nails stuck in it like a pincushion above and around the coin..I think that video will answer your questions.
 
True as far as solo sitting nonferrous targets.
Model 800 with faster speed setting does have potential to locate deeper mask nonferrous targets. Granted in some cases the 600 unit would be a no go in alerting on these same targets.

We don't usually associate maybe a no go with detecting vs a go with detecting on an actual depth difference. But in my mind it is.


I did consider what you are saying but dont forget , faster speed setting for unmasking ability has an effect on depth potential and target ID. If you are reaching depth but ID is off because the speed is too high then the two have the probability of canceling each other out on many occasions. This would appear to give best averaged results on most " deep " situations if the 800 was not set at the highest speed and negates depth advantage for the 800 based on speed setting. Another situation where some is potentially gained but some is potentially lost. Thats why the highest speed settings are not recommended for hunting deep non ferrous. There is potential advantage if the targets are not deep , but from all I have read so far a faster recovery speed may affect target ID even on shallower targets. Probably another reason some claim the target ID is not accurate , they should slow the speed a little.
 
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I did consider what you are saying but dont forget , faster speed setting for unmasking ability has an effect on depth potential and target ID. If you are reaching depth but ID is off because the speed is too high then the two have the probability of canceling each other out on many occasions. This would appear to give best averaged results on most " deep " situations if the 800 was not set at the highest speed and negates depth advantage for the 800 based on speed setting. Another situation where some is potentially gained but some is potentially lost. Thats why the highest speed settings are not recommended for hunting deep non ferrous. There is potential advantage if the targets are not deep , but from all I have read so far a faster recovery speed may affect target ID even on shallower targets. Probably another reason some claim the target ID is not accurate , they should slow the speed a little.

As far as unmasking goes, meaning detecting a highly challenged target, target ID is inconsequential, rather can the detector locate and differentiate between ferrous and nonferrous.

But I have have witnessed where actual higher speed setting has indeed helped improve ID of nonferrous targets, even solo sitting. Like my 9" deep clad dime.
The dime IDs betters at speed 6. Although it is detectable at speed 5, but ID is low. (This is likely soil mineralization level driven). Calabash could do same depth experiment and likely get as good a ID with speed setting 5 here vs speed 6 in his soil.

I have also witnessed better (more accurate) ID using 800 model when doing actual head to head comparisons keeping the same detect mode in use, but changing speed setting. Many times a faster speed setting would yield better ID.

And usually with better ID as mentioned above also comes better tone (signal)- more decipherable.

So, it is time for me to make a very bold statement here.

If we had a bunch of sites where all the detectors that has been run there all had 11" DD coils installed. And we took Equinox into a said site. And captured a signal using park 2 or field 2 detect mode using speed 7 or 8. And upon getting the signal denoting nonferrous, if we slow the 800 models to speed 6 and the signal chops or disappears. It is highly likely this nonferrous suspect target has never ever been detected before using another detecfor and a 11" DD coil.
This would go for Etrac , Deus and LF coils, CTX and many more detectors.

There is one detector however wearing a 11" DD coil (I have not run) that may could detect such a target,, called the deep tech gold gain unit.

So what I am saying is a person could use speed setting adjustment and slow the 800 unit down and make a very good educated guess.

The same targets talked about above, a smaller coil (LF) may or may not detect the suspect target either. Many times they won't either.

Now, the above is based on some of my actual in field testing on in the wild targets, using some very good detectors.
 
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I googled (equinox 600 recovery speed and depth) and a good video came up with a guy who has a piece of blue styrofoam cut up,with the coin at the bottom and nails stuck in it like a pincushion above and around the coin..I think that video will answer your questions.

Will do..
Thanks
 
As far as unmasking goes, meaning detecting a highly challenged target, target ID is inconsequential, rather can the detector locate and differentiate between ferrous and nonferrous.

But I have have witnessed where actual higher speed setting has indeed helped improve ID of nonferrous targets, even solo sitting. Like my 9" deep clad dime.
The dime IDs betters at speed 6. Although it is detectable at speed 5, but ID is low. (This is likely soil mineralization level driven). Calabash could do same depth experiment and likely get as good a ID with speed setting 5 here vs speed 6 in his soil.

I have also witnessed better (more accurate) ID using 800 model when doing actual head to head comparisons keeping the same detect mode in use, but changing speed setting. Many times a faster speed setting would yield better ID.

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Okay but you are likely referring to a random variable incident not the norm. Because in general , the faster speed is not always but often less accurate and for good documented reason. This forces you to make a decision.....put your confidence in occasional isolated incidents , ....or retreat back to general settings suggested for best performance in the particular environment. The detector can potentially make some occasional great finds and ID them correctly , even if set up all wrong for the environment and circumstances , but these are random variable incidents not necessarily something a sane person would want to base their whole day of detecting on.


The difference in definition between the words " CAN " and " WILL reliably" is what I am trying to draw attention to here.
 
Okay but you are likely referring to a random variable incident not the norm. Because in general , the faster speed is not always but often less accurate and for good documented reason. This forces you to make a decision.....put your confidence in occasional isolated incidents , ....or retreat back to general settings suggested for best performance in the particular environment. The detector can potentially make some occasional great finds and ID them correctly , even if set up all wrong for the environment and circumstances , but these are random variable incidents not necessarily something a sane person would want to base their whole day of detecting on.


The difference in definition between the words " CAN " and " WILL reliably" is what I am trying to draw attention to here.

If I am in a previously pounded site, this is how I will normally use Equinox.
Not isolated at all, or remote, or the exception really.

For example you go in behind a CTX and Deus busted site. Turn speed on 800 to 7 and rock and roll. Doing this causes Nox to operate at phenomenonal (characteristics) performance , hence it takes advantage of possible targets Deus (Deus may hit but can't communicate proper id for digging (higher conductor) and CTX or Etrac could not hit. Now if the site is real clean I likely wouldn't be there to begin with Nox.

Poster Trashfinder has been trying to communicate this very thing here.
Go where the Nox can CAPITALIZE by taking advantage of other units.

Scenario
Skilled Equinox user goes to park where ctxs and Etrac roam often.
What to do.
Assume 800 unit in use.
Speed 7 park 2.
Assume targets period are few and far between.
Any target located.
Note ID, start pivoting on target to see just how wide of an angle you can detect. Push horseshoe button and listen as you again pivot around target and sweep. Here any iron in background??
Then slow down to speed 6 and again check target. Does signal get worse like chop of get extremely short? Even slow to 5 and see what happens to signal.

This is a target in a park I would dig.

Why?
Good chance Etrac or CTX either didn't detect, or if it did, read ID in error hence they walked.

Basically what I am saying is, here you are giving credit that the Etac and CTX are indeed superior IDing detectors. Meaning if slower speed doesn't corrupt target, and you hear no iron when mashing horseshoe button, this target likely already studied by CTXer or Etracer, hence they walked due to junk target ID. And an Equinox user should walk too. Meaning don't expect to dig and retrieve a higher conductive coin like IH, copper or silver. This obviously wouldn't apply to fresh drops.
 
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When doing just a bench test with my X5 and 7" coil, norm disc, fixed gb, I took a nail at 3" and a silver dime right under nail.....Dime would still come through strong and smooth....When I put one inch beween them nothing, win I put 2 or 3 inches between them I pick up the dime again almost full smooth tone....

Even though no TID on mine it still to me comes down to the sound....Of course theres all the variables involved with any target location and whats going on down there...

I was basically just seeing if the Equinox is all that and a bag of Funyuns to actually target correctly no matter what is in front of a good target...it very well may with the different settings and available adjustments.......It has sure made some great finds from all the posts Ive seen...Still interested ...:D
Thanks to all who replied and to the wealth of different opinions and understandings on this forum...That is what makes it great...:yes:
 
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