New site =Abnormally high target IDs with Equinox 800

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I am perplexed. I have had my Equinox for 3 years and if I haven't hunted at least 1000 hours with it, I would be surprised. I am still no expert but I feel like I have gotten to know it pretty well. Virtually all of that time has been in local parks, curbstrips, private yards and assorted vacant lots. My experience with tones and target ID numbers mirror what everyone else sees with the Equinox. That is until I started hunting a new local park. I have hunted there sporadically before with nary a wheatie to show for my efforts ,but never really hit it hard because of the difficult conditions and frankly, I had more interesting places to hunt. The park dates back to 1913 and is a typical inner city park with lots of metallic trash and more iron nails than I am used to finding. I probably have close to 40 hours at this park so far but they have been challenging hours to be sure. Here is what I am experiencing.
In Park 1 , 5 tone Multi, with recovery speed at 4, iron bias at Fe4, auto ground balance on, and sensitivity from 19-22, most targets that are more than an inch or two below the sod line never give a consistently solid target ID and the ID numbers are 4-10 values higher than what has been typical for the same target everywhere else I hunt. .
For examples- clad dimes are 29-34, deeper than average zincolns are 26-31, pre83 copper pennies-32-38, screw caps 28-34 , ring pull with beavertails attached- 18-25, clad quarters 32-36. The big exception to this are nickels, they still ring up at 12-13 but unless they are very shallow they are not stable. Deeper nickels are a jumpy 10-14.
Another issue here is that deep iron falsing is way worse here than anywhere else I have hunted. No matter the Iron bias setting, the edges around deep rusty iron give high tones in the mid 30s. I can identify some by using the horsehoe button but it is far from reliable.
I have experimented with Iron bias settings both in FE and in F2, adjusted sensitivity, cleaned the coils, checked the connections and checked targets in Park 2 and both Field modes, as well as single frequencies of 4, 5, 10 and 15 khz. Nothing seems to make a difference in how these targets behave underground. Once I dig them and air test, they ring up as the normally should.
I really want to hunt this park more extensively because now I know there are old coins there. Because of the weirdness of the ID numbers I have dug virtually every target that pinpoints with any consistency. Despite the difficult readings, I dug a very deep 1897 V nickel, which rang up 9 -14, a 1901 barber dime, (33-37) a 1923 Merc,(34-38) a couple of Rosies from the 50s (mid 30s) and several wheaties, one dating back to 1910. But I also have dug pounds of rusty nails, screwcaps, bits of foil and a bucket full of ring pulls and beavertails, all because they sounded good and had IDs of a typically good target.
If anyone has any explanation as to why I am experiencing this phenomenon or any suggestions on what I can do to " normalize" what I am seeing, I am all ears.
Thanks in advance for suggestions.
 
I noticed something somewhat similar with my Vanquish 540 when hunting right after a rain in heavily mineralized ground.

You mentioned using auto GB. What happens if you use manual GB (ground balancing?)
 
Have you done the latest update recently? When I did the update, it all went kaput. Everything came up higher vdi. Had to roll it back.


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I noticed something somewhat similar with my Vanquish 540 when hunting right after a rain in heavily mineralized ground.

You mentioned using auto GB. What happens if you use manual GB (ground balancing?)
Ive tried manual ground balance and there is no difference in the wierd or unstable numbers

Have you done the latest update recently? When I did the update, it all went kaput. Everything came up higher vdi. Had to roll it back.

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yes it has the update which enables the use of the 4khz frequency. I have been using it with the update since the update came out and only in this particular site does the detector act weird.
 
I am perplexed. I have had my Equinox for 3 years and if I haven't hunted at least 1000 hours with it, I would be surprised. I am still no expert but I feel like I have gotten to know it pretty well. Virtually all of that time has been in local parks, curbstrips, private yards and assorted vacant lots. My experience with tones and target ID numbers mirror what everyone else sees with the Equinox. That is until I started hunting a new local park. I have hunted there sporadically before with nary a wheatie to show for my efforts ,but never really hit it hard because of the difficult conditions and frankly, I had more interesting places to hunt. The park dates back to 1913 and is a typical inner city park with lots of metallic trash and more iron nails than I am used to finding. I probably have close to 40 hours at this park so far but they have been challenging hours to be sure. Here is what I am experiencing.
In Park 1 , 5 tone Multi, with recovery speed at 4, iron bias at Fe4, auto ground balance on, and sensitivity from 19-22, most targets that are more than an inch or two below the sod line never give a consistently solid target ID and the ID numbers are 4-10 values higher than what has been typical for the same target everywhere else I hunt. .
For examples- clad dimes are 29-34, deeper than average zincolns are 26-31, pre83 copper pennies-32-38, screw caps 28-34 , ring pull with beavertails attached- 18-25, clad quarters 32-36. The big exception to this are nickels, they still ring up at 12-13 but unless they are very shallow they are not stable. Deeper nickels are a jumpy 10-14.
Another issue here is that deep iron falsing is way worse here than anywhere else I have hunted. No matter the Iron bias setting, the edges around deep rusty iron give high tones in the mid 30s. I can identify some by using the horsehoe button but it is far from reliable.
I have experimented with Iron bias settings both in FE and in F2, adjusted sensitivity, cleaned the coils, checked the connections and checked targets in Park 2 and both Field modes, as well as single frequencies of 4, 5, 10 and 15 khz. Nothing seems to make a difference in how these targets behave underground. Once I dig them and air test, they ring up as the normally should.
I really want to hunt this park more extensively because now I know there are old coins there. Because of the weirdness of the ID numbers I have dug virtually every target that pinpoints with any consistency. Despite the difficult readings, I dug a very deep 1897 V nickel, which rang up 9 -14, a 1901 barber dime, (33-37) a 1923 Merc,(34-38) a couple of Rosies from the 50s (mid 30s) and several wheaties, one dating back to 1910. But I also have dug pounds of rusty nails, screwcaps, bits of foil and a bucket full of ring pulls and beavertails, all because they sounded good and had IDs of a typically good target.
If anyone has any explanation as to why I am experiencing this phenomenon or any suggestions on what I can do to " normalize" what I am seeing, I am all ears.
Thanks in advance for suggestions.

How hard is the ground. I noticed mine has been reading higher than usual. Not quite on that level but noticeable. It was very hard packed and dry ground in my situation and chalked it up as that but not sure. I have noticed with the newest update my pinpoint is a little off it seems.
 
How hard is the ground. I noticed mine has been reading higher than usual. Not quite on that level but noticeable. It was very hard packed and dry ground in my situation and chalked it up as that but not sure. I have noticed with the newest update my pinpoint is a little off it seems.
The site is a well watered park. Cutting neat clean plugs is easy.
 
Just a thought here...you mentioned a well watered park. I would try hunting in the beach modes.
 
I am perplexed. I have had my Equinox for 3 years and if I haven't hunted at least 1000 hours with it, I would be surprised. I am still no expert but I feel like I have gotten to know it pretty well. Virtually all of that time has been in local parks, curbstrips, private yards and assorted vacant lots. My experience with tones and target ID numbers mirror what everyone else sees with the Equinox. That is until I started hunting a new local park. I have hunted there sporadically before with nary a wheatie to show for my efforts ,but never really hit it hard because of the difficult conditions and frankly, I had more interesting places to hunt. The park dates back to 1913 and is a typical inner city park with lots of metallic trash and more iron nails than I am used to finding. I probably have close to 40 hours at this park so far but they have been challenging hours to be sure. Here is what I am experiencing.
In Park 1 , 5 tone Multi, with recovery speed at 4, iron bias at Fe4, auto ground balance on, and sensitivity from 19-22, most targets that are more than an inch or two below the sod line never give a consistently solid target ID and the ID numbers are 4-10 values higher than what has been typical for the same target everywhere else I hunt. .
For examples- clad dimes are 29-34, deeper than average zincolns are 26-31, pre83 copper pennies-32-38, screw caps 28-34 , ring pull with beavertails attached- 18-25, clad quarters 32-36. The big exception to this are nickels, they still ring up at 12-13 but unless they are very shallow they are not stable. Deeper nickels are a jumpy 10-14.
Another issue here is that deep iron falsing is way worse here than anywhere else I have hunted. No matter the Iron bias setting, the edges around deep rusty iron give high tones in the mid 30s. I can identify some by using the horsehoe button but it is far from reliable.
I have experimented with Iron bias settings both in FE and in F2, adjusted sensitivity, cleaned the coils, checked the connections and checked targets in Park 2 and both Field modes, as well as single frequencies of 4, 5, 10 and 15 khz. Nothing seems to make a difference in how these targets behave underground. Once I dig them and air test, they ring up as the normally should.
I really want to hunt this park more extensively because now I know there are old coins there. Because of the weirdness of the ID numbers I have dug virtually every target that pinpoints with any consistency. Despite the difficult readings, I dug a very deep 1897 V nickel, which rang up 9 -14, a 1901 barber dime, (33-37) a 1923 Merc,(34-38) a couple of Rosies from the 50s (mid 30s) and several wheaties, one dating back to 1910. But I also have dug pounds of rusty nails, screwcaps, bits of foil and a bucket full of ring pulls and beavertails, all because they sounded good and had IDs of a typically good target.
If anyone has any explanation as to why I am experiencing this phenomenon or any suggestions on what I can do to " normalize" what I am seeing, I am all ears.
Thanks in advance for suggestions.

There could be many many reasons of why this is happening but the really good news is you found a good place to hunt with lots of targets. I'll bet many other guys have given up on the spot.

Sounds like you got a great place to go!
 
I have had my 800 since Mar 2018. First 3 months I thought it was defective. I live near a county park on the river that is slammed every weekend with hundreds of people in a very small area of less than 2-5 acres. The picnic tables along the river banks are paved with pull tabs, pop tops, screw tabs and bottle caps.

I finally figured how to hunt it with my 800.

park1,2 or field 1,2 does not really matter.
What does matter is discrimination and recovery speed, and FE2.
I discrim out all below 19, set my recovery speed at 7 and lower my sensitivity to about 18. I also use the Coiltek 10 x 5" coil. Highly recommend for 800 park hunters.

Now I am finding only for the most part the perviously missing old corroded clad and a few wheaties. Trashy parks are good teaching areas for the 800.

Turn your threshold audio on. It it sounds like a machine gun going off you need to use these settings. I do the same in relic hunting. Machine gun audio, use these settings. threshold quiet with an occasioonal null then I lower my recovery speed to 4 and my sensitivity as high as permissions allow and hunt for deeper Civil W relics. My threshold audio is how I determine my other settings like recovery, sensitivity and FE2. I also use horseshoe to decide on my FE2 setting.

Hope this helps.
 
I have had my 800 since Mar 2018. First 3 months I thought it was defective. I live near a county park on the river that is slammed every weekend with hundreds of people in a very small area of less than 2-5 acres. The picnic tables along the river banks are paved with pull tabs, pop tops, screw tabs and bottle caps.

I finally figured how to hunt it with my 800.

park1,2 or field 1,2 does not really matter.
What does matter is discrimination and recovery speed, and FE2.
I discrim out all below 19, set my recovery speed at 7 and lower my sensitivity to about 18. I also use the Coiltek 10 x 5" coil. Highly recommend for 800 park hunters.

Now I am finding only for the most part the perviously missing old corroded clad and a few wheaties. Trashy parks are good teaching areas for the 800.

Turn your threshold audio on. It it sounds like a machine gun going off you need to use these settings. I do the same in relic hunting. Machine gun audio, use these settings. threshold quiet with an occasioonal null then I lower my recovery speed to 4 and my sensitivity as high as permissions allow and hunt for deeper Civil W relics. My threshold audio is how I determine my other settings like recovery, sensitivity and FE2. I also use horseshoe to decide on my FE2 setting.

Hope this helps.

I appreciate you exuberance for the Equinox. However, you are doing many things I would not recommend.
 
I am perplexed. I have had my Equinox for 3 years and if I haven't hunted at least 1000 hours with it, I would be surprised. I am still no expert but I feel like I have gotten to know it pretty well. Virtually all of that time has been in local parks, curbstrips, private yards and assorted vacant lots. My experience with tones and target ID numbers mirror what everyone else sees with the Equinox. That is until I started hunting a new local park. I have hunted there sporadically before with nary a wheatie to show for my efforts ,but never really hit it hard because of the difficult conditions and frankly, I had more interesting places to hunt. The park dates back to 1913 and is a typical inner city park with lots of metallic trash and more iron nails than I am used to finding. I probably have close to 40 hours at this park so far but they have been challenging hours to be sure. Here is what I am experiencing.
In Park 1 , 5 tone Multi, with recovery speed at 4, iron bias at Fe4, auto ground balance on, and sensitivity from 19-22, most targets that are more than an inch or two below the sod line never give a consistently solid target ID and the ID numbers are 4-10 values higher than what has been typical for the same target everywhere else I hunt. .
For examples- clad dimes are 29-34, deeper than average zincolns are 26-31, pre83 copper pennies-32-38, screw caps 28-34 , ring pull with beavertails attached- 18-25, clad quarters 32-36. The big exception to this are nickels, they still ring up at 12-13 but unless they are very shallow they are not stable. Deeper nickels are a jumpy 10-14.
Another issue here is that deep iron falsing is way worse here than anywhere else I have hunted. No matter the Iron bias setting, the edges around deep rusty iron give high tones in the mid 30s. I can identify some by using the horsehoe button but it is far from reliable.
I have experimented with Iron bias settings both in FE and in F2, adjusted sensitivity, cleaned the coils, checked the connections and checked targets in Park 2 and both Field modes, as well as single frequencies of 4, 5, 10 and 15 khz. Nothing seems to make a difference in how these targets behave underground. Once I dig them and air test, they ring up as the normally should.
I really want to hunt this park more extensively because now I know there are old coins there. Because of the weirdness of the ID numbers I have dug virtually every target that pinpoints with any consistency. Despite the difficult readings, I dug a very deep 1897 V nickel, which rang up 9 -14, a 1901 barber dime, (33-37) a 1923 Merc,(34-38) a couple of Rosies from the 50s (mid 30s) and several wheaties, one dating back to 1910. But I also have dug pounds of rusty nails, screwcaps, bits of foil and a bucket full of ring pulls and beavertails, all because they sounded good and had IDs of a typically good target.
If anyone has any explanation as to why I am experiencing this phenomenon or any suggestions on what I can do to " normalize" what I am seeing, I am all ears.
Thanks in advance for suggestions.

This is a good time as a reminder that the ID number at depth is only a recommendation.
On a salt beach with some black sand I have a saying.

"NOTHING, ID's correctly"
 
This is a good time as a reminder that the ID number at depth is only a recommendation.
On a salt beach with some black sand I have a saying.

"NOTHING, ID's correctly"
A buncha slow learners around here ! I was talking about this 2 years ago. Now , guys are finally figuring it out and are now "experts". They all made fun of THE KOB 🤣. Your comment on how Maxxcats settings were exactly what I was thinking. But it might be more site specific and he is talking about dirt , not beach. Also his style and what he targets. Coins , silver , relics ....I think he's right. But to basically disc out everything up to a 19 , I would never do. That's alot of gold.....
 
Hi Todd, interesting post. As you know I use the AT Pro, but all my detecting buds use the Nox 800. Was just out detecting with my friend from Corvallis MT. He was having difficulty with his Nox, weird numbers higher than normal, digging a lot of trash, and just plain missing targets. I went behind him on a couple of yards and found wheats, one silver, a So Dakota trade token, and some other odds and ends that didn't ring up well for him. Don't know what is going on but you are not alone.

David
 
A buncha slow learners around here ! I was talking about this 2 years ago. Now , guys are finally figuring it out and are now "experts". They all made fun of THE KOB 🤣. Your comment on how Maxxcats settings were exactly what I was thinking. But it might be more site specific and he is talking about dirt , not beach. Also his style and what he targets. Coins , silver , relics ....I think he's right. But to basically disc out everything up to a 19 , I would never do. That's alot of gold.....

I was trying to be nice as possible. My reference about some of his settings would not matter if detecting anywhere. There are so many different detecting issues as applied to a certain sites as well. Yes, while some people have found gold at an Id of 19 [or higher], I have yet to find any gold that rings that high. I have quite a bit of gold.

Anyways back too: "In the land of salt and black sand, NOTHING Id's correctly!
 
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really want to hunt this park more extensively because now I know there are old coins there. Because of the weirdness of the ID numbers I have dug virtually every target that pinpoints with any consistency. Despite the difficult readings, I dug a very deep 1897 V nickel, which rang up 9 -14, a 1901 barber dime, (33-37) a 1923 Merc,(34-38) a couple of Rosies from the 50s (mid 30s) and several wheaties, one dating back to 1910. But I also have dug pounds of rusty nails, screwcaps, bits of foil and a bucket full of ring pulls and beavertails, all because they sounded good and had IDs of a typically good target.
If anyone has any explanation as to why I am experiencing this phenomenon or any suggestions on what I can do to " normalize" what I am seeing, I am all ears.
Thanks in advance for suggestions.

Todd what you describe here is pretty much the norm for me in Pa. soil. In your case it definitely sounds like the soil. One thing I have noticed the dryer the soil it tends to up the numbers a bit but not like you describe. What you do describe sounds exactly like a hunt in one or all of our city parks. I have used the 800 for 3 1/2 years and have a fair amount of time with it. I sent my first one back after only a couple months because it was Iding all over the place. The shallow targets most times Id where they should but the deeper ones all come in in the 30's with silver dimes frequently show 39-40. Copper pennies all come in in the 30s. A deeper coin here is in the 7-8 range with the average in the 3 to 5 in range. Square pull tabs hit 27-28. And also the iron sounds really good. I dig my fair share. I ground balance every site, but most places I hunt are 15 and under so mineralization doesn't seem to be much of a factor. When I get alot of scratching and popping I lower the sensitivity to 17-18. My recovery is almost always 4 and Field 2 seems to be the most stable.
One thing, it sounds like this site, being tough ground may have been passed over by others and yield some cool finds. Good luck, Mark
 
So like anything else we need more info. Here is your words: And also the iron sounds really good. I dig my fair share. I ground balance every site, but most places I hunt are 15 and under so mineralization doesn't seem to be much of a factor. When I get alot of scratching and popping I lower the sensitivity to 17-18.

It concerns me why you have to run at 17-18 sensitivity? Do you think this is minerals in the ground, or EMI? No close cell phone, correct?

Also do you hunt in discrimination mode or horseshoe mode?
 
Ive tried manual ground balance and there is no difference in the wierd or unstable numbers


yes it has the update which enables the use of the 4khz frequency. I have been using it with the update since the update came out and only in this particular site does the detector act weird.

Do you know that in single frequencies you have no Iron bias? Iron Bias is only a function of Multi Frequency.
 
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