National Metal Detecting Association??

Great ideas and creating a national organization and seems worthwhile!!!

Are there any professional people / lawyers on this forum that can offer advice and services? By the amount of people with expensive MD equipment, there should be quite a few that could offer if they feel compelled.

Anyone have experience in this area?? If thousands of people do actually want an organization, then member dues can create the funding needed to get the ball rolling in a big way.

Most of find enough clad to easily pay the dues.......
 
I am thinking that the group could be an advocacy group and actually increase the amount of land used for Metal detecting. The government sponsors all kinds of walk in hunting and fishing lands... We could work with private landowners and municipalities to encourage the hobby.
 
...We could work with private landowners and municipalities to encourage the hobby.

This kinda reminds me of Long John Latham's Treasure Ranches. In the 1970s, Latham was the owner/publisher of two popular treasure magazines that eventually merged into Lost Treasure.

He bought (or leased?) hundreds of worthless acres out west to turn into treasure hunting campgrounds. You paid a membership fee and had unrestricted access to all the properties. Primitive camping, and miles and miles of detecting/prospecting areas.

Anybody know what happpened to that project? I'm guessing it died when he died?
 
I'm just curious if anyone here advocating this national club understand how politics works? You want this group to be able to bring about change and clout for detectorists as a whole? That requires lobbying at every state level as well as at the federal level. Lobbyists require large sums of money to grease the palms and open the doors to hear our arguments. Even after laying out all that cash there is still little chance of change as long as the archaeologists paid by the government still have a say.
 
I am thinking it would be very cool to have a interactive map of hunting locations both public and private as well as any restrictions that apply to that location. This I believe would be part of Pocketspills 2013 comment. I have to think that members would appreciate this service!
 
I'm just curious if anyone here advocating this national club understand how politics works? You want this group to be able to bring about change and clout for detectorists as a whole? That requires lobbying at every state level as well as at the federal level. Lobbyists require large sums of money to grease the palms and open the doors to hear our arguments. Even after laying out all that cash there is still little chance of change as long as the archaeologists paid by the government still have a say.

This is one reason I advocate study of an existing organization that has made progress. Don't re-invent the wheel - rather pick the brains of another national advocacy group that knows the political dances.
 
Minelab is the only manufacturer I know of that has expressed interest in helping us politically, sponsoring the Task Force for Metal Detecting Rights Foundation.
I have no idea how many other manufacturers have been approached, or what their answer was.
There don't seem to be any updates since April. I signed up a long time ago, and haven't heard from them since.

Why not do the same thing, but actually communicating and growing...

We have to accept that no one is going to do all of this for free.
 
Is there a national organization that promotes the interests of those who metal detect? I know there are local and possibly state organizations. Seems like that would be a great way to have our voices heard!
In England we have two!."The National Metal Detecting Council",and "The Federation of Independent Detectorists". The National Council will have members who sit on "Treasure Trove Boards".To have such a member is important when deciding the value of artifacts in a "Treasure Inquest".It ensures that a fair financial settlement is reached concerning the treasure in question!
Also as I am a member of the independent group I receive 'third party insurance cover' and a couple of 'news mags' The cost in U.S. terms 5 dollars. I think that is value for money!:wow2:
 
I just looked over the wwats.org site and apparently they have some 2K members. However, it also seems that they recently revamped their web site to be "responsive". In doing this they apparently felt being responsive was more important than their forum and so all their forum content was given up and is no more. As a former web designer I would not have done this. For a world wide organization trying to support MDing, the loss of countless posts with ideas and information would make me NOT redesign if this were the cost.

Anyway, if you go there, the first year's membership is free. However, I did sign up, but so far my sign up seems not to be recognized and I just keep getting the Login prompt.

Very sad business. If anyone knows any of the admins on that site, please let them know of this serious problem!
 
I don't know how much a national organization could really accomplish for metal detecting. Most of the members here, seem to want to stay quite, 'fly-under-the radar'. They think it's better to go nighthawking, than talk to anyone outside the hobby. There isn't a huge visible participation level. It's really not going to get much time or attention, at a state or national level, much bigger issues to deal with, besides a apparently small group of hobbyist, wanting to detect protected areas. The only time it becomes a discussion worthy topic at those meetings, is when laws are being broken, somebody's behavior needs corrected. Regardless of organization, or membership, fighting a negative occurrence, isn't going to help much, except to make it appear that is the type of stuff we all want to do, without being hassled over it.

The NRA has always had it's hands full, and they have the constitution to back them up. Every tragic use of a firearm, starts the process of stripping away at a legal right, even though the problem isn't the guns, but the people using them for bad things. Those people will still do bad things, with, or without a gun, they aren't concerned about the laws.

There will always be people in our hobby, that will ignore any rules, laws, or restrictions, and still hunt and loot, any piece of land they choose. Those that simply go online, quick keyword check for 'metal detecting', will only show if there is any potential penalties, if confronted. It's simply risk assessment, is hunting going to be worth any trouble one might get into for being there. These people keep pushing, that if it's not on paper, with penalties, it's a good place to hunt. Yeah, we've got hobbyist who are pushing for tighter legislation, by their actions. What do they care, long as they don't get caught, and the penalties aren't significant, they will still keep doing the same thing, until they can no longer afford to. The rest of us get to pay the long term price, either follow them into dark hunting, or a very limited choice for hunting in public places.

A national organization would only be as strong as the members willing to stand up and be seen and heard. I just don't see the majority of this forum's membership being willing to do that. Paying dues is very minimal participation, membership requires a strong active participation. You need to write letters, make phone calls, attend local meeting (city council), and vote. Money is only a small contribution to the cause.

Let's say one of your local churches needs painting. They bid the job out, looks like about $7,000 to have it professionally done. To me, I see dozens of people in that church, all have done quite a bit of painting over the years, few that do it professionally. The cost of paint, and materials (rollers, drop cloths, brushes), would only be a few hundred dollars. Of course, most churches these days, would go the $7,000 route, just right the check, let someone else handle it...

City parks are the same way, the community could come in, and do the maintenance, plenty of able bodied, skilled people, who would only need to donate a few hours a month. Instead, the city pays a salary to a group of people, to maintain and manage our parks. Lets face it, majority of people would much rather throw money at a problem, than to actually get their hands dirty. They wonder why things aren't they way they want them, forgetting that they are paying someone to make those choices for them. Never bothering to tell anyone, what is is they wanted, or expect. It isn't a tinfoil hat society, where the government reads our minds, and knows what we want or need, then make sure we never get any of those things. If its reasonable, enough people show and interest, they will listen, and accommodate. In most places, there is no harm in detecting, no real reason not to allow the hobby.
 
revival of an old thread?

there is this:
http://detectingrights.com

I signed up quite a while ago; 6 months? a year ago?
Got my first email "call to action" yesterday. Prompted me to write an email to save detecting in parks in Mason City, Iowa.

We need a congressional initiative to open up federal and state lands to detecting for the recreational and physical fitness aspects of our activity, largely participated in by older (senior) citizens. Why should government land that we pay/paid for be off limits to the citizenry?
 
I don't think the FDMAC has much push, and really hasn't done much as far as opening any prohibited parks, which is why I won't join, what would my dues be used for? I'm sure they have several thousand members, yet they don't even attempt to open some of the prohibited parks? Fairmount park is the largest county owned park in this country, it closed to much controversy in the early 90's after a detector club helped the police locate a gun. Apparently an archaeologist read an article about the event in a newspaper and went to the park asking that they ban the hobby. Since that time I don't believe the FDMAC has once petitioned the park to re-open it's gates to detectorist, which i odd considering that they have a large membership base in this area. Does anyone know what the dues are used for?
 
I don't think the FDMAC has much push, and really hasn't done much as far as opening any prohibited parks, which is why I won't join, what would my dues be used for? I'm sure they have several thousand members, yet they don't even attempt to open some of the prohibited parks? Fairmount park is the largest county owned park in this country, it closed to much controversy in the early 90's after a detector club helped the police locate a gun. Apparently an archaeologist read an article about the event in a newspaper and went to the park asking that they ban the hobby. Since that time I don't believe the FDMAC has once petitioned the park to re-open it's gates to detectorist, which i odd considering that they have a large membership base in this area. Does anyone know what the dues are used for?

Coil-to-Soil, do you think if you were in the FMDAC's position, that you could do any better ? I don't think so. I think they're hands are tied. And they're doing what they can do, with the support , time, and budget they have.

It's real easy for us to be "Monday morning quarterbacks" and sit around criticizing those who don't lickety-split get the red carpets rolled out for us. And let's be totally honest here: Detecting is a niche geeky hobby, with all sort of connotations. Eg. that we might be about to make marks/holes, and that we (gasp) might find something archaeological, sensitive, etc... So how in the heck do you think they're going to overcome that mentality ?

We simply don't have enough hobbyists in our ranks to raise the kind of $$ that , for example, the NRA has to hire lobbyists and such.

In fact, I'll go a step further and say that the FMDAC (and other such groups) have a sort of "darned if they do and darned if they don't" dilemma on their hands: The more fuss they put up (solidarities, fights, etc...) then the more they simply put us "front and center on every Tom Dick and Harry's radar" as something that "needs pressing attention". And then guess where that can end up ? :no:
 
.....We need a congressional initiative to open up federal and state lands to detecting .....

It's a common misconception that "federal and state lands" are not open to detecting. Sure, maybe *some* forms of federal land. And sure maybe *some* state's state parks (but not a bunch of others).

If there were "congressional initiatives" as you're suggesting, I bet it would only bring about the EXACT OPPOSITE of what you are thinking. The more we become highly visible , and in need of sanctions, express allowances, and become a "pressing issue", then the more they simply invent rules AGAINST it.

So oddly, sometimes the LESS visibility is better. Not the "more".
 
Obviously, I was talking about opening those federal and state lands that are not OPEN. Why would we need to open lands that are already open?
 
Obviously, I was talking about opening those federal and state lands that are not OPEN. Why would we need to open lands that are already open?

It seemed, from the context wording of your post, that you were referring to all federal and state land. Not just those types fed and state land that currently are not open to it.

I sort of doubt anyone would ever consider opening up those few fed or state parks that currently *do* have something specific saying "no detectors". Because, assume for the moment, those that are admitted historic sensitive monuments. Do you *really* think anyone's ever going to agree to open them to md'ing ?

And I realize you're probably referring to the nonsense locations like out in the desert, or spots that are NOT "sensitive historic monuments". Ie.: run-of-mill beaches that happen to be within a "National Park". I would agree with you we'd do no harm at such spots. But coming at it from THEIR perspective, it would only open the pandora's box, of endless wrangling of exactly where you *could* versus where you *couldn't*. So guess what the easier answer is ? : "no within the entire borders of such & such type park". Presto, problem solved. No camel's nose in the tent.
 
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Exactly... this is a freakin hobby, not a professional sport that needs a national voice! Where's the national fishing organization lobbying for us to no longer need fishing licenses to fish in public lakes etc?

Politics have no place in our hobby, and as seen in other areas, all a national organization does is pad their own pockets and blow a bunch of hot air.

Careful what you guys wish for... none of the other organizations linked have done anything for us in the last 10 years and they won't start now. All those organizations do is make board members feel important. They could care less about you personally, just send them a check for dues...
 
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