My Equinox 600 field thoughts

[tnsharpshooter]

Yo Smitty.

Pay attention.
I've tested in the ground too.

I haven't told anyone to buy anything.
Just good honest reporting.
Folks can make what they want out of it all.

I will say.
So far when I have tested detectors the way I do.

The actual infield performance mostly mirrors my results of testing.
Meaning the detectors strengths in my tests are indeed reflected in the wild detecting.

And these reports I have furnished didn't cost a single member here one red cent.

But did take loads of my time doing and posting.

Cheers and Happy detecting.

 

[calabash digger]

The only one whining is you because I took your buddy to task on what he said...... You guys don't mind coming over to my reviews of detectors and taking me to task about what I said. You want to cheerlead for someone that's fine and everyone has the right to their on opinion as I said earlier INCLUDING me.

You guys question my opinion and I questioned woodbutchers about his with REAL COMMON SENSE questions as to why he said what he said. COMMON SENSE has flew out the window here..

Lets see I basically said to woodbutcher how would you know... correct?
BECAUSE he has not tested the machine against any others... How can you say the machines are basically the same when you have not even compared them to others??? He used the term ALL too... What part of ALLL has he compared them to in its price range?

Oh yeah I forgot common sense died in 53....

Who the F died and made YOU boss Calabash?

What makes YOU think YOUR opinion is any more valid that woodbutchers

Because you tested a detector? AND???

When is your know it all book coming out with all of your scientific data you have gathered so we can all buy it from the all knowing one?\

Who the F takes advice from a dude wearing crocs anyway... a life decision like that says alot obout the guy in crocs... never can be taken seriously!

Your videos show your results in your synthetic controlled environment, your buddy shows tests on boards... well if we are ever hunting coins on boards, equinox is machine for us, that's for sure, tests show the results of "board detecting"

Shoving your personal OPINIONS about the machine down everyone else who disagrees with you does not make you anymore correct it only shows your desperate attempt at wanting to be right...'

A "right fighter" that needs others approval to feel validated!

Listen, you can swing a stick, no one really cares what YOU like...

People join this hobby to relax, have fun and enjoy themselves, they get what they WANT, they get what they can AFFORD and they get what works for THEM.

What you like only matters to YOU Buddy! You can share your opinions, like or dislike what you want to, but after that, you said your peace, we don't need you attacking everyone with a differing opinion, people don't login here to listen to calabash, or care what your opinions are, they logged in a friendly metal detecting forum, and your constant barrage of forcing your opinion on others is getting tiresome.

Coming on this thread and attacking someone elses opinion proves your desire for a pat on the back wanting everyone to think you're so great.

Do your tests , post results and let them speak for themselves, no one cares for your whiny ass attitude at every stop becauze people aren't talking about how great you are... you're just a guy with a metal detector in the same hobby as everyone else.

You will never make a metal detecting hall of fame, only like 11 people even know who you are... at the end of the day calabash you and your crocs will not have a display in the minelab museum...sorry to break it down for you.

SOmewhere along the lines youve become convinced that your opinion is more valid than anyone elses, it is not.

Your whiny attack approach o your videos tells anyone with sense that you're agenda for that video is always to slat towards sthe results you want, hence why it's always in a controlled environment

I would hunt with you and out hunt you as often as you out hunt me, with any detector, on any land, regardless of whos hunted it... we hold our own too buddy, you aren't some golden gold because you find colonial in areas with colonial artifacts! They're there, you find them, doesn't make you some detecting guru to be studied... you're a dude in crocs for f's sake!

Point being, get over yourself dude, we are!

 

[Trashfinder]

Smitty, in actuality Calabash would be more commonly known as Mr Deus lol . If you knew him like some have over the years on the forum.

He also used an AT Pro at one point till he realized there were better machines for unmasking in trashy sites.

What upset him was it could be very harmful to a newer detectorist to take this review to heart and pass on what is probably the best technology to come along lately. And at the price of 600 dollars the machine will hang with machines costing 2 to 3 times more money and in cases out do them.

At Pro is a great machine that will find lots and lots of great finds, but Minelab set a new bar with the nox in the price range of 649, that is in the process of shaking up the market in a huge way. If you follow used detector sales you would realize what the nox is doing and has done to the market. In all reality they have created a used market that is very nice for anyone that wanted to try a higher end machine prior to the nox to find really great deals.

And not everyone will drive a NOX , but you will see so many on the parks and fields in the future that it will make some wonder what does that thing do that others do not.

 

[SittingElf]

Pretty hard to trash objective tests that people like Calabash and TNSS as well as others have done for the rest of us.
I was ready to pull the trigger on an AT MAX when I first became aware of the Nox. After watching countless reviews, and tests by people like those mentioned, who not only tested the Nox's individually, but also directly against market leaders like the AT's and Deus's, it became clear as a bell that the Nox was a step above with a new technology that I GUARANTEE we will be seeing in new detectors from the other companies in the near future.
After swinging a GTI 2500 for a lot of years, the 600 I now own and am learning is like magic...and the GTI is no slouch..just damn heavy!
I also will own an 800, once my name on the waiting list reaches the top, and I am heavily relying on Calabash, Steve (you know who you are), TNSS, and others who have delved DEEPLY into the Nox systems and have produced fantastic informational videos and posts that save time for the rest of us who DON'T have the time for that deep testing.
So thanks guys for your diligent efforts to help the rest of us learn to use this amazing and advanced metal detector. The proof in the pudding is all the posts that are showing the actual finds from using the Nox...and especially from very previously hard hit areas.
Can't believe the angst of the naysayers here! Wow!

 

[woodbutcher]

Yep you should stop.
Based on the above.
Offload the Nox and get At Pro.
Simple as that.

Call it a day.
You have figured out which one suits you better.
No need to paddle around with the Nox anymore.

See there that was easy.

See Woodbutcher you're not going to get any argument or disagreement out of me. I with you 100%.

I will keep my Nox though.

Tn,I never said I as getting rid of the equinox,never even said I preferred my at pro over it in my review.I even said I was ( offered more than I paid for the equinox). No,I have no reason to sell it,I never said I didn’t like it.Numerous times I said I like it.I just can’t see where I said anything so negative in my opening statement about the equinox that would lead you to believe anything you just wrote?

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Tn,I never said I as getting rid of the equinox,never even said I preferred my at pro over it in my review.I even said I was ( offered more than I paid for the equinox). No,I have no reason to sell it,I never said I didn’t like it.Numerous times I said I like it.I just can’t see where I said anything so negative in my opening statement about the equinox that would lead you to believe anything you just wrote?

Ok,I’ll give you my opinion,since it’s the at pro your talking about here.The at pro has Superior usual ID over the nox,not even close.Nox Visual ID is not anywhere near as spot on,At pro is rock solid.
Audio,I prefer the At pro,but I also like the Nox.i give that a draw on preferences,mine .
Waterproof,both claim it but I’m sure the nox will leak just as any machine can and will.a draw on that.
Both nose heavy,a draw on that.
Depth ,for myself I want ID at depth,this is my opinion.Yes the nox is probably deeper,not by 6 inches tho,let’s be real,at least in my soil.The nox has no stable ID at depth,the At pro does..So,for a relic hunter sound is all that matters,for a coin hunter,and my preference,I want ID at depth too,,if it’s useless it might as well not be there,Visual ID that is. Nox goes deeper,At pro ID is better at its depth,,,Draw there,ones no better than the other,one has better depth,one has superior ID at its depth.
Coil selection,At pro all day
Customer service,Garrett all day
Should I stop now?

You say you want ID at depth here. And At Pro gives better ID at depth.

So sounds like the At Pro is for you, not the Nox.

This is why I said what I did.

 

[woodbutcher]

Well lets see... People come here to read and get the most accurate info they can on detectors. I just put him to task , he said that it was basically the same as other detectors in its price range. correct? I just wanted to know what detectors he ACTUALLY compared it too in its price range....to see if his opinion had any weight to it from actual comparisions or if it was JUST his opinion. In MY threads when I post about a detector test or how it stacks up. People take me to task.. how did you have it set up? You didn't do it right? you should have did this or that, you don't know what your talking about...and on and on.

When I take woodbutcher to task people start crying foul.. WHY? Like I said we all have rights to our personal opinions but if your gonna get offended when someone questions it well that's not my fault..Woodbutchers opinion is just that HIS opinion . He took a machine out and walked around with it for 15 hours and DID NOT test it against another machine.

So when he says it about the same as other machines in its price range... My question is how would he know ? He hasn't compared it to them in the field or the garden....

As far as that AT PRO business is concerned he also ranks it with XP Deus too...

I guess what makes me act that way is I see the cheer leaders come out and start cheering ....over a review that is no more than his opinion and not based on any real world test or test garden results..

People come here LOOKING for facts about detectors. Woodbutcher you want to say its no better or no worse than detectors in its price range. Then give us some FACTS as to why it is or isn't.

You stated its probably deeper than the AT PRO but not by much though... My question to you sir how would you know when you have not even run a basic depth test... I know you have not done one because if you had you would have never said that statement to start with because you would have known better

Yes it is inchs deeper than the pro. Bury a deep target and swing over it...

I hope that answers the WHY part of your question.....


Thanks for your honest review ..
BTW if a person read his review and passed on a Nox to get AT PRO it would be almost criminal on how short changed that person would be because of woodbutchers review.

Why are you so wound up? Can’t figure it out,your as confused as 3 blind lesbians in a fish market as to what I’ve said.
Point is,I’m not the only one who sees the equinox as a multipurpose machine in with the rest of midpriced detectors.Why? Because calabash,My in field results don’t match your test garden
Let’s talk about your video of the nox in field,as a matter of fact let’s talk about all your videos.Ive never seen you dig a coin over six inches in a live dig.So ,why all the talk about depth,and why do you even care about depth?
And separation.Ok,that’s big to you.Not big to everybody,not at the sacrifice of a consistent and stable ID.
I’m not pushing my views on no one,and I’m not defending them either?.i didn’t bash anything or anyone.Your a relic hunter,I’m a coin hunter.I rely on ID.Equinox is not on par with other machines in its price range on visualID.

 

[woodbutcher]

If anyone can show me,or point out where I bashed the equinox,please share.If anyone can show where I said I didn’t like it,please share.
Calabash,take a deep breath,lol.Your one hot mess right now.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Woodbutcher,
You are entitled to your review and thoughts.
Other folks are entitled to their thoughts.

Folks want to disagree with my thoughts, more power to them.


So what are my thoughts. lol

I have run and tested Equinox over 150 hours.
It is a standout detector, and would,be even if it cost $2000, which it don't.

Why is Nox a standout detector?

My experiences have been with the 800 model but I have run at the equivalent of a 600 unit, meaning multi freq speed 6.

Equinox capable of properly IDing nonferrous targets crippled in iron - not all.
Equinox is capable of supreme hunting in modern trash for wearing 11" DD doil.
Equinox ID doesn't get messed with like the higher costing metered Xp Deus.
Equinox can hunt behind both Etrac and CTX all wearing 11" DD coils and indeed make finds - site dependent.
Equinox is light weight.
Equinox is more all around resonant on a wide range of nonferrous targets, big, medium and small.
Waterproof

IMHO opinion all this talk about ID, is caused by guess what?
Fbs detectors.

Remember no fbs detecfor will ID a target a user can't detect/locate to start with.
Just how accurate does ID need to be anyway.
I sure ain't gonna leave a targets reading 40 conducive all the way to 48 in the ground using Etrac or CTX.

And using Equinox in a site with modern trash Inaire ain't leave a target in a site reading 24-35.

So being spot on means little to me and should mean little to any experienced detectorist.

Goesforever gent, ever read his post. He digs some nice targets with Etrac and the meter readings are what? Horrible on the targets.
Does fbs/fbs 2 lie to folks.
Well if you never dig the junk target reading signals, how would,one even know?

Does the Nox lie to a user? Sure it does.
But site depending it may be telling the truth (on average) more than most any detectors out there.

So Woodbutcher, keep running the Nox.

At the 15 hour use mark I sure wouldn't ready to give hard core comparison thoughts against any other detecfor model really.

But you have your standards and I have mine.

There is one thing I notice too about Nox.
Not been out that long.
Seems numerous gold coins already found in USA.
I'll try to find and put here. And these just the ones we know about because they were reported publically.
I don't remember seeing this with any other model really.
Could it mean some thing?
Don't know but has happened.

Here's one
http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/6102-equinox-finds-spanish-treasure/

Here's another.
http://www.dankowskidetectors.com/discussions/read.php?2,144318

Here's another
https://www.findmall.com/read.php?107,2434540

Here's another
https://www.minelab.com/usa/go-minelabbing/success-stories/bucket-list-gold-coin-find

Here's another Euro find
http://www.detectorprospector.com/f...nother-gold-stater-and-hammered-silver-coins/

Here's another
https://www.findmall.com/read.php?107,2431871,page=1

 

[woodbutcher]

At the 15 hour use mark I sure wouldn't ready to give hard core comparison thoughts against any other detecfor model really..

I’m pretty sure you started a thread giving your review of the nox before you even received your equinox?
And I don’t rely on test garden results,or nail tests.In field only..And I don’t like to compare specific machines,that’s irrelevant because all machines have strengths and weaknesses even the nox,At pro,Etrac etc. I gave a honest review,take it or leave it.

 

[yacorie]

I can see where both sides of this discussion are coming from.

I'm a rookie with the MD and essentially have always used an ace 250 before upgrading to the AT Pro and now just last week getting a NOX 800.

I agree with what woodbutcher is saying about the IDs and the obvious good targets to dig. There is no doubt for me, that I find it much easier to know what the good targets are with the ATP then I do with the NOX 800, so far. However, I only have about 10 hours on the NOX and I feel like I'm getting better and better with it every time.

I've also spent most of that time in the woods, trying to pick out some keepers amongst the iron which the NOX is much better at than the ATP (although I'm still sucking at doing it).

I wouldn't get rid of the ATP and I won't get rid of the NOX, I will however, have to throw away my crocs

The real kicker for me buying a NOX is because it will work at the salt beaches and that has been something that I've always wanted. For the price point, being able to hunt heavy iron and salt beaches, it was the perfect fit for me.

I'm hoping as I get more time with it, I'll love it as much as I grew to love the ATP. i haven't taken it to a park yet where I'm excited to see if I can make some finds, knowing that I've been there quite a bit with the ATP and others have been there too.

Reading the good/bad and opinions that people post helps all of us. It's impossible for all of us to experience everything that everyone else is seeing and posting about. Someone with a bad review or negative experience is often times just as helpful, or more helpful than a positive experience.

 

[MiTreasureHunter]

Woodbutcher,
You are entitled to your review and thoughts.
Other folks are entitled to their thoughts.

Folks want to disagree with my thoughts, more power to them.


So what are my thoughts. lol

I have run and tested Equinox over 150 hours.
It is a standout detector, and would,be even if it cost $2000, which it don't.

Why is Nox a standout detector?

My experiences have been with the 800 model but I have run at the equivalent of a 600 unit, meaning multi freq speed 6.

Equinox capable of properly IDing nonferrous targets crippled in iron - not all.
Equinox is capable of supreme hunting in modern trash for wearing 11" DD doil.
Equinox ID doesn't get messed with like the higher costing metered Xp Deus.
Equinox can hunt behind both Etrac and CTX all wearing 11" DD coils and indeed make finds - site dependent.
Equinox is light weight.
Equinox is more all around resonant on a wide range of nonferrous targets, big, medium and small.
Waterproof

IMHO opinion all this talk about ID, is caused by guess what?
Fbs detectors.

Remember no fbs detecfor will ID a target a user can't detect/locate to start with.
Just how accurate does ID need to be anyway.
I sure ain't gonna leave a targets reading 40 conducive all the way to 48 in the ground using Etrac or CTX.

And using Equinox in a site with modern trash Inaire ain't leave a target in a site reading 24-35.

So being spot on means little to me and should mean little to any experienced detectorist.

Goesforever gent, ever read his post. He digs some nice targets with Etrac and the meter readings are what? Horrible on the targets.
Does fbs/fbs 2 lie to folks.
Well if you never dig the junk target reading signals, how would,one even know?

Does the Nox lie to a user? Sure it does.
But site depending it may be telling the truth (on average) more than most any detectors out there.

So Woodbutcher, keep running the Nox.

At the 15 hour use mark I sure wouldn't ready to give hard core comparison thoughts against any other detecfor model really.

But you have your standards and I have mine.

There is one thing I notice too about Nox.
Not been out that long.
Seems numerous gold coins already found in USA.
I'll try to find and put here. And these just the ones we know about because they were reported publically.
I don't remember seeing this with any other model really.
Could it mean some thing?
Don't know but has happened.

Here's one
http://www.detectorprospector.com/forum/topic/6102-equinox-finds-spanish-treasure/

Here is the problem. Yes, everyone has the right to their own "opinion", do you understand the term "opinion"???

It seems some do not because they come back like a Bull in a China Shop blasting their arrogant mouth off.

I mean really, my son reads through these forum comments and used the term "cyberbully" to describe a few individuals because of they way they attacked others.

Lets be clear hear, it is one thing to be "passionate" about a detector but it is NOT acceptable for this personal attacking of people if they don't have the same point of view.

Act like adults, you guys have to realize that you are representing the hobby and this Forum and can tell you at times it is not representing either in a good light!!

What is going on is NOT constructive criticism it is ganging up on and arrogantly attacking people because they god forbid have a different "opinion". There are ways to have civil and productive discussions without having to come off as an arrogant self-proclaimed expert of all things metal detecting! I have intentionally chose not to call these individuals out by name, but everyone knows who they are!

Final thought: I can an do respect the INFORMATION some of these individuals are presenting but have little respect for the person because of the demeaning manner in which they present it. Work on presentation!

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Here is the problem. Yes, everyone has the right to their own "opinion", do you understand the term "opinion"???

It seems some do not because they come back like a Bull in a China Shop blasting their arrogant mouth off.

I mean really, my son reads through these forum comments and used the term "cyberbully" to describe a few individuals because of they way they attacked others.

Lets be clear hear, it is one thing to be "passionate" about a detector but it is NOT acceptable for this personal attacking of people if they don't have the same point of view.

Act like adults, you guys have to realize that you are representing the hobby and this Forum and can tell you at times it is not representing either in a good light!!

What is going on is NOT constructive criticism it is ganging up on and arrogantly attacking people because they god forbid have a different "opinion". There are ways to have civil and productive discussions without having to come off as an arrogant self-proclaimed expert of all things metal detecting! I have intentionally chose not to call these individuals out by name, but everyone knows who they are!

I communicated my thoughts here on the detecfor model series.
I never showed anyone here any disrespect.
Unlike you, you are questioning my understanding of the word opinion.
That what cyber bullying really is- what you're doing here.

A more reasonable response would have been for you to thank Woodbutcher and myself for our thoughts on the detector.

Now if you indeed have Equinox, by all means share your thoughts on it.

 

[MiTreasureHunter]

I communicated my thoughts here on the detecfor model series.
I never showed anyone here any disrespect.
Unlike you, you are questioning my understanding of the word opinion.
That what cyber bullying really is- what you're doing here.

A more reasonable response would have been for you to thank Woodbutcher and myself for our thoughts on the detector.

Now if you indeed have Equinox, by all means share your thoughts on it.

I have indeed communicated with Woodbutcher but thru PM.

You obviously missed the point of my comment...completely.

I do indeed have a 600, of which I purchased because of all the praise or "hype" on the forums. I have not run it enough yet to have any opinions on it. Rest assured if they are at all critical then I might as well NOT bother posting them BECAUSE it will just lead to being ganged up on for having a "personal opinion" that is not the same as the rest of the herd.

 

[mascard1]

Shooo...Man my eyes are tried after reading all that...I have all those Machines.. Good thing I always Grab my Etrac .. with Sunray probe!

 

[tnsharpshooter]

I have indeed communicated with Woodbutcher but thru PM.

You obviously missed the point of my comment...completely.

I do indeed have a 600, of which I purchased because of all the praise or "hype" on the forums. I have not run it enough yet to have any opinions on it. Rest assured if they are at all critical then I might as well NOT bother posting them BECAUSE it will just lead to being ganged up on for having a "personal opinion" that is not the same as the rest of the herd.

This word arrogant you refer to.

Telling the truth is arrogant.
Oh well.

You know when I have run a $1500 dollar detect (Deus) and a couple more more espensice detectors made my the same manufacturer as the one who made Equinox.

And when I starting running Equinox my eyes lit up.
And doing head to head tests and also head to heads on undisturbed targets, again my eyes lit up.

So okay telling the truth is arrogance I guess.

I guess this gent here is arrogant then too.
Seems he has indeed seen or witnessed or has a very strong ideas of the things I have noticed using the detector.

http://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?t=259371

http://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?t=259220

http://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?t=259056

Here is a copy of what I had to say about Nox after 40 minutes of just sweeping around a little. Notice the comment I make related to Deus.

Alright,
I spent about 40 minutes with the detector out sweeping and checking a few things.

Noise cancel process, best I've seen as far as selecting and cycling vs fbs/fbs 2 detectors.

Ergo rating (nose heaviness compare to Deus wearing 11" LF coil) Deus wins by a smidge. Very close.

Navigating settings a breeze. I even ventured into advanced settings.

I didn't charge my detector up all the way, but had full bars in power level meter.
Wireless headphones charged fully in about 2 hours.

Sound of detector.
Imo CTX users or previous CTX users will meld with faster vs Etrac or Deus.

Love the magnetic charge connections- some ingenuity there.

Detector doesn't seem flimsy.

Backlights works great, didn't run at highest setting, remember folks this is 800 model, 600 model backlights a little different.

Won't give opinions yet on what I have witnessed so far testing.
But can say this I saw something that made go in the house and bust out my mighty Deus with 11" coil.

May make another run tonite. Cold outside. Probably the only dummy out tonite in Tn with metal detector.

 

[cellrdwellr]

I gotta agree with WB here, the equinox is a solid machine, especially for the price. I was digging pulltabs at 12" that sounded like silver. While I did find stuff, anh machine could have found alot of it. You just gotta face the music sometimes. You cant find coins that arent there...I went to my most beat up spots, and they were still beat up. It gives really good tones on deep ferrous metals. Just not the machine for me. Not knocking it, but once again you get what you pay for in this hobby. I was silly to think any different

 

[Oldsjunkie]

I have indeed communicated with Woodbutcher but thru PM.

You obviously missed the point of my comment...completely.

I do indeed have a 600, of which I purchased because of all the praise or "hype" on the forums. I have not run it enough yet to have any opinions on it. Rest assured if they are at all critical then I might as well NOT bother posting them BECAUSE it will just lead to being ganged up on for having a "personal opinion" that is not the same as the rest of the herd.

There's your problem MiTreasureHunter, you tried to make a point to these guys. You apparently can't see or understand the point when your entire life is concentrated on trying to be the "expert" so Minelab will make you the next "Drtones24k"...You just keep typing multi page responses full of links trying to STILL prove how right you are instead...

Good luck, You're trying to reason with a 4 brick wall (looks like 1 of them is late to this party, but will undoubtedly pop in for a couple hundred emojis and undecipherable ramblings).

If you self proclaimed "Pros", a term I've seen TN use on several occasions, want to save the world from "bad" detector reviews and let everyone see how great you are, start a site and go for it! Domain rental is cheap. That way, your opinions on your little test gardens and board piles won't be questioned and you'll be able to attack anyone you want without anyone objecting...since there won't be anyone there but you!

 

[Rattlehead]

I think we're seeing varying opinions of the Nox due to the various types of hunting we do.

If you pay attention you'll notice a pattern from all the different reviews.

Those of us who like to hunt iron infested or heavily hunted sites and get every last good target tend to think the Equinox is pretty damn awesome. This is the group that I fit into, and for this type of hunting it really does stand out as being an amazing machine IMHO.

Some other folks prefer to hunt cleaner sites, or virgin sites and just get the easier targets, which is fine too. For this group, the unmasking abilities of the Nox may not be as important as a rock solid TID like found on FBS machines. To this group the Equinox may very well be just a good well rounded detector at a decent price.

Just depends on how you use it. To each his own.

 

[Oldsjunkie]

I think we're seeing varying opinions of the Nox due to the various types of hunting we do.

If you pay attention you'll notice a pattern from all the different reviews.

Those of us who like to hunt iron infested or heavily hunted sites and get every last good target tend to think the Equinox is pretty damn awesome. This is the group that I fit into, and for this type of hunting it really does stand out as being an amazing machine IMHO.

Some other folks prefer to hunt cleaner sites, or virgin sites and just get the easier targets, which is fine too. For this group, the unmasking abilities of the Nox may not be as important as a rock solid TID like found on FBS machines. To this group the Equinox may very well be just a good well rounded detector at a decent price.

Just depends on how you use it. To each his own.

Nice observation and straight forward analysis. Noticed the same thing and think it's a fine thing. That's why there are different types of machines with different strengths and weaknesses. I've been impresssed with the FBS machines out coin shooting with a few guys and the multi-IQ seems to work well when playing to its strengths, iron infested sites. I personally won't own a Minelab because of their constant need to cause drama in what is an otherwise pretty calm industry and treating their customers like nothing more than walking bank accounts, but that's my choice.

If we could just get some folks here to register the "To each his own" theory instead of "To each the same as me or they're idiots and I'll go to the ends of the earth to show it"...

GL&HH out there people!