Is the threshold the same on the new detectors as the old?

[Cherry Picker]

Seems to me the newer detectors I have used with a threshold, does not serve the same function as the older detectors.

I use for example the Whites DFX. I used the threshold all the time to help me hear those super deep faint targets. The new detectors I have tried, the threshold just seems to be a background tone you can set the volume of. It doesn't seem to give me the same feel of the ground minerals or put you in fine tune with the tone as the older thresholds did.

The purpose of the older threshold was to set a baseline tone, and that allowed you to hear even the slightest change in the tone, giving you maximum sensitivity & depth. More like all-metal does on today's detectors. The "silent search" popular today I don't feel can give you the same sensitivity the old thresholds did.

Your thoughts.

 

[Beachhunt1]

Thresholds on D2 and Manticore do nothing!!! Threshold on the Equinox will enhance deep targets on the beach. I run a threshold of 1or2.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Thresholds on D2 and Manticore do nothing!!! Threshold on the Equinox will enhance deep targets on the beach. I run a threshold of 1or2.

I just did 2 videos using Deus 2 with and without threshold use. There is a difference meaning threshold use is doing something vs. nothing.

Cheers.

 

[metaladdict]

I ran my threshold loud on my Sovereign elite in the saltwater, what an excellent machine!
I did not use it for dirt hunting at all.

 

[Cherry Picker]

I just did 2 videos using Deus 2 with and without threshold use. There is a difference meaning threshold use is doing something vs. nothing.

Cheers.

Thanks for the videos.

A while back I asked why detector manufacturers seem to be phasing out the threshold feature on all but all-metal, and most replied that the new fast processors could catch even the slightest change in tone and silent search was just as good as running a threshold. I wonder why people don't talk more about the threshold, since few detectors offer it as a feather anymore when it seems obvious that it can make a difference.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Thanks for the videos.

A while back I asked why detector manufacturers seem to be phasing out the threshold feature on all but all-metal, and most replied that the new fast processors could catch even the slightest change in tone and silent search was just as good as running a threshold. I wonder why people don't talk more about the threshold, since few detectors offer it as a feather anymore when it seems obvious that it can make a difference.

You are welcome.

 

[hoser]

I never really thought about it. There are times I want a real faint back round hum, and times I don't. I run my E-Trac hot, so I turn my threshold down till it just goes away. Any threshold in the trashy areas I hunt will drive you nuts. But that's me. Everyone is different the way they operate their detector.

 

[Beachhunt1]

when it seems obvious that it can make a difference.

On a REAL salt beach with REAL fringe targets [gold] there is no amplification/target identification benefit of a threshold. With A Deus 2.

In different conditions, who knows?

 

[Beachhunt1]

Thresholds on D2 and Manticore do nothing!!! Threshold on the Equinox will enhance deep targets on the beach. I run a threshold of 1or2.

Edit: Threshold is run in horseshoe mode on the Equinox.

 

[Cherry Picker]

Edit: Threshold is run in horseshoe mode on the Equinox.

But, there is a difference between the all-metal mode threshold & a filtered threshold. The difference between an "Audio Threshold" & a "Threshold". Often the difference between a $700 detector and a $1,200 detector.

 

[Beachhunt1]

a difference between the all-metal mode threshold & a filtered threshold. The difference between an "Audio Threshold" & a "Threshold".

At least on an Equinox you get to pick a threshold in all-metal [horseshoe] or "threshold" in discrimination mode. Gold Mode too. There is no ala-cate menu for threshold type. That goes for the D2 and Manticore too.

 

[Cherry Picker]

At least on an Equinox you get to pick a threshold in all-metal [horseshoe] or "threshold" in discrimination mode. Gold Mode too. There is no ala-cate menu for threshold type. That goes for the D2 and Manticore too.

There are two types of thresholds. The one I refer to is not one that can help with masking, as TNSharpshooter's video shows, but one that is used to hear the faintest targets at the very limits of a detectors depth ability. On the DFX I used it to get the very deep stuff in old fort sites. In a clean area, you could set the threshold and it was clear as a bell and soiled as a rock until something very deep would cause the hum to waver just a tad. You adjusted the threshold to a level where you could hear that very slightest change.

The newer tech detectors don't seem to have the same threshold ability as say the DFX. Realistically, I can't see how the new standard chatterbox detectors could even use such a threshold. It takes a rock solid uninterrupted threshold to do any good on getting that extreme depth ability of your detector, and these new detectors are just too noisy. One of the reasons I never liked the Fishers.

 

[Coin-Saver]

I remember using the threshold on my MXT to find deeper stuff. I would run it to where the threshold was barely audible and when you heard the slight raise in the threshold you knew you were onto a deep target. I'm with Cherry Picker on this one because I don't get the same feel from the Nox 800 in that regard.

I do believe this is one of those areas where people who have been in this hobby awhile don't always get shivers down their spine when a new detector comes out. The truth is they each have their specialty and some offer very little. I'll put my money on a guy with and Ace 250 that knows that machine over a newbie with a Deus 2 any day. This topic is one of the reasons why. Just because a person uses a machine and doesn't click with it doesn't mean someone else hasn't.

Also I think the DFX and MXT being so closely related I just get what Cherry Picker is talking about. Don't kid yourselves, I have not seen anything depth wise from the Nox that the MXT couldn't do. The MXT was very forgiving on swing speed and was great under power lines and with EMI. Now as far as operation ands being able to swing faster I'll give that to the Nox.

Just seems to me Threshold functionality is what's missing from the Nox. Then again maybe I just haven't used it enough to figure it out yet.

 

[Beachhunt1]

but one that is used to hear the faintest targets at the very limits of a detectors depth ability. On the DFX I used it to get the very deep stuff in old fort sites.

For me the best threshold machine was the GT Sovereign. Everything past that has been a disappointment.
The Equinox threshold works like target enhancement but only in horseshoe mode. Any threshold hunter will think the D2 and Manticore thresholds are junk.

 

[Cherry Picker]

For me the best threshold machine was the GT Sovereign. Everything past that has been a disappointment.
The Equinox threshold works like target enhancement but only in horseshoe mode. Any threshold hunter will think the D2 and Manticore thresholds are junk.

Loved my Sovereign GT, except in tot lots. Way too sensitive to get close to the playground metal toys. Killer threshold. I think some people just don't know, or remember just how important the threshold was 25 years ago. It still is in my opinion, but like target ID segment count, they seem to be phasing out the importance.

I did some testing of the threshold with my Dues 2 this morning while tot lotting. Pitch Tones was terrible. Maybe I need to do a major rework, but even hairpins sounded like a silver quarter, and read in the 70s to 80s. Unuseable in tot lots.

 

[Coin-Saver]

Now as far as operation ands being able to swing faster I'll give that to the Nox.

This was actually supposed to read SEPERATION not operation. "Time to make the donuts........Damn, I MADE the donuts". Can you tell I've been doing a lot more working than detecting lately?