High School field parking lot & baseball coach

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It started out to be a good thread.

 

[Donneybrook]

Anyone else want some?

 

[mountain digger]

My guess it just goes back to the "If I want to do it, I'm going to do it."

I purchase a transfer sticker/beach sticker every May. Without it, I would get a 25.00 ticket for parking at our town beach. The police do enforce it. I guess they figure since we pay to maintain it, we ought to be able to use it. The damn nerve huh??

My guess it just goes back to the "If I want to do it, I'm going to do it."

Response: Your guess would be wrong. Don't feel bad, many of Harv's ASSumptions are wrong too.

I purchase a transfer sticker/beach sticker every May. Without it, I would get a 25.00 ticket for parking at our town beach. The police do enforce it. I guess they figure since we pay to maintain it, we ought to be able to use it. The damn nerve huh

What the *ell are you talking about. Do you mean the 'public pool' in your analogy is a pay to swim pool. If it is, your analogy comparing MDing on Public Property to a Publicly Owned Pay-to-Swim Pool doesn't hold water (pun intended). Does your local government charge the local taxpayers to use the public parks?

I'm going to say it Uptown: I believe you have lost touch with reality. I admire your passion for protecting YOUR ballfields, and it's great that you volunteer to 'maintain' the ballfield and that you coach you kid's ballclub...but reality is that if the ballfield is Public Property, it was paid for using Taxpayer money making it PUBLIC PROPERTY, not YOUR ballfield. If the ballfield was built on YOUR private property using YOUR money (and not Taxpayer money), that would make the Ballfields YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY.

PERMISSION should always be obtained by anyone MDing private property. Any use of private property requires the owner's permission...AS STATED IN THE CODE OF ETHICS.

Wish you well but got to say, you may well want to reconsider approaching anyone swinging a metal detector on YOUR public property.

 

[HarveyH48]

Hey mountain digger......??? Just curious, what is it you give back to? You keep yapping about rights, and public this and public that. Have you ever Vol. a stitch of your time for anything that doesn't directly benefit you???

Volunteer work often involves asking permission...

 

[mountain digger]

I won't be reconsidering approaching anyone dumb enough to metal detect on our field either.... Thanks for the advice though.

IMO. Good luck & stay safe.

 

[mountain digger]

Volunteer work often involves asking permission...

And often doesn't.

 

[Steve77]

Nope... not a archie, not a want a be archie, just a plain old carpenter. What my agenda is that I am a baseball coach on anyone of these fields that you or others like you think you have the "right" to start popping plugs on. I DO NOT MD IN ANY AREA I HAVE NOT ASKED. I hardly ever hear no. Then again, I don't go to areas that I feel the need to go ninja for some dropped pocket change or in hopes of someone losing their wedding band while having a picnic.

I can tell you right now for certain....If I EVER saw someone pop a plug on my towns baseball field that I spend countless hours of MY time, and pay the taxes I do, vol. for Rec. Committe meeting to make sure the money is being used properly to take care of THE BASEBALL, FOOTBALL, AND SOCCER fields. Notice how they are not called METEL DETECTING fields??? I would be at every monthly town meeting making sure that there was, from that point on a sign up that clearly stated "No metel detecting" (I wouldn't want to confuse anyone with a "no digging policy" Like certain members have posted about skating around the wording). Where the rest of the selectmen decide to go from there, is up to them, but hey who knows maybe they'd make sure a sign went up everywhere on town property. So don't give me your song and dance about asking gets property shut down. For instance, if someone came to me while I was raking the field, and asked "can I detect there". I would tell them I'd rather they not, but to talk to the rec director. At that point we would engage in a conversation about MDing. If said person is not a Richard Cranium, I would invite them to hunt with me on the 1000's of acres I have permission on due to ASKING PERMISSION AND BEING GIVEN IT.

How do you have the "right" to go to another town that you don't even pay taxes in and MD on that field? Tell me it doesn't happen. Everyone that does it thinks they have the "right" to do so. What gives you that "right"? Do you have kids in a program? Do you vol. any time in your community? Were you such a bad athlete as a kid you just don't care about sports, so those that do, and maintain an area for them to be conducted on, NOT be upset with your self entitlement?

Again, when it comes to "rights" read my post about "rights" A couple posts back in reference to the schools and ball fields being better. How is your way any different.

So if I'm passing through "Your Town" and want to stop at a park that you pay taxes on and I don't pay taxes on, I should ask for permission? Your argument does not hold up. You may not realize it but this topic is a black and white issue of legal vs illegal. You have clouded the issue with your subjective opinion. If someone breaks a law they are subject to penalties. If they broke no law let them exercise their freedom Guaranteed buy the Constitution. If you don't like the law change the law instead of bullying law abiding people.

 

[notdapolice]

"Aint nobody got time fo dat"

Hahaha, sh its funny! I enjoy reading the forum FUNNIES. Well written Harvey and Uptown.... Hahaha

Originally Posted by Uptown603 View Post
"If its so funny take the challenge.....don't ask permission, go to your local ballpark and keep detecting when the kids show up to play. See if any signs go up. After all they shouldn't due to your "rights". Be sure to post your results. I'm curious if that would be like the funnies then."
I DO IT EVERY OTHER HUNT OR SO!^ read below.

I dont know if you already know this but I DONT ASK PERMISSION for any PUBLIC park or ball field i want to hunt(my town or not). Detecting 2 years, first year by myself, second year with a good friend of mine who has been doing it for 3 years. Still no signs guys what gives......? Been doing your little "challenge" for 2 years now Uptown...... Why would i want to keep detecting as baseballs fly past my head, wheres your SMARTS at Uptown. Any one with SMARTS knows that players have more of a RIGHT to the fields than the we MDers(it is the only spot they have to play unlike us MDERS), hints why the smart ppl go ahead and move on to another part of the park(we think of others). I have posted my RESULTS many times after hunting ball fields Uptown. None of my post have had the outcome you wish they did, sorry still no signs. Try to stay in the fast lane next time a emergency vehicle has it lights on, How about that dumb a s s challenge. What a GOOFY you are uptown tell MICKEY MOUSE i said "Whats up my ninja".

P.S. I played middle school football and was picked for the high school team before my freshmen year even started, COACH! You know what they say, "those who cant play, coach!"

"Those who can't play coach"? Really? do you watch any sports what so ever???!!!! Middle school football? What didn't like people telling you what to do later in life so you quit at 14? LOL explains a lot in your approach. Good luck with your ballfields, I hope you find enough to to buy a coil cover in a few years.

Did you read my post or did you just skip down and see the P.S and get butthurt? This post and the next one you made shows how bad you tried... ? its ok.

What ever you say COACH! hahaha

You are a coach right? You can call me ROOFER.

That's about the 5th time you've TRIED to insult me about being a coach or helping maintain the baseball/soccer field in my community. So let me get this straight, you're using my lack of selfishness to help out against me? You're questioning why I coach when it gives me time to spend with my son? I think that says a lot more about your character than just the fact you will vandilize someone elses hard work over pocket change and maybe a silver earing, all so you can come on a website and look for approval when you post your finds. Your name "notdapolice" also shows a lot, the fact you quit football as a kid. I'll put 2 and 2 together and guess you are just a quitter that does whatever he wants, and has no use for authority.

Wow, insulting someone for voll. time. I was a vol. fire fighter for 5 years also, would you care to give me a hard time over that?

Can you show me where you got all you're assumptions about me? "The Fact you quit football as a kid" "the FACT you will vandalize" "all so you can get appoval" All these facts you have on me, you stalking me BRO! I think most can "put 2 and 2 together" and realize what a tool you are COACH!.

Three post and you get your Uptown undies in a bunch, is that where you're forum name derived from Just get in there and dig them out man. (Ok in the voice of Ronnie off Jersey Shore) " Come at me BRO!!" thanks for the laugh's.

 

[notdapolice]

So if I'm passing through "Your Town" and want to stop at a park that you pay taxes on and I don't pay taxes on, I should ask for permission? Your argument does not hold up. You may not realize it but this topic is a black and white issue of legal vs illegal. You have clouded the issue with your subjective opinion.

He will tell you thats not what hes saying but if you read his post thats exactly whats hes saying Its all those uptown folks that ruin it for the not so UPTIGHT folks, IMO.

 

[Steve77]

Hey Uptown,
So if we had all just asked to text and drive, it would still be lawful? Outlawing texting while driving was based on a major public safety risk. Public policy is shaped by public opinion. Often public opinion is moved in one direction or the other by the behavior of a few radicals not by the actions of average sensible participants. Your characterization of only finding a couple bucks in clad is not necessarily accurate, some pretty amazing things are found in ball fields. Especially considering those public fields were sometimes used for other other public recreation for years before being repurposed as ball fields. I also see some public areas not designated as baseball fields being used by kids to play baseball. I don't think they need specific permission to play ball, trample the grass, etc..

As far as common sense goes, I imagine that some things I think are common sense may make absolutely no sense to you and vice versa. I think citing common sense as your platform is a thinly veiled attempt to lend credibility to your OPINION!

Where I live we have school of choice. That means I can enroll my kids in any school I want. It does not matter if I live in that district or not.

 

[notdapolice]

Hey Uptown,
So if we had all just asked to text and drive, it would still be lawful? Outlawing texting while driving was based on a major public safety risk. Public policy is shaped by public opinion. Often public opinion is moved in one direction or the other by the behavior of a few radicals not by the actions of average sensible participants. Your characterization of only finding a couple bucks in clad is not necessarily accurate, some pretty amazing things are found in ball fields. Especially considering those public fields were sometimes used for other other public recreation for years before being repurposed as ball fields. I also see some public areas not designated as baseball fields being used by kids to play baseball. I don't think they need specific permission to play ball, trample the grass, etc..

As far as common sense goes, I imagine that some things I think are common sense may make absolutely no sense to you and vice versa. I think citing common sense as your platform is a thinly veiled attempt to lend credibility to your OPINION!

Where I live we have school of choice. That means I can enroll my kids in any school I want. It does not matter if I live in that district or not.

I am so glad you chimed in Steve, thank you. You have said pretty much all i wanted to say. I dont know you but am pretty sure i would buy you a beer and Big Elwood over at Fast Eddies Bon Air. If you ever want to go on a Mid illinois hunt around my area get in touch. Also just want to point out that around here, the public pools, if you got 5 bucks you could come from another counrty and swim(now, you certain few dont take it literal) just saying it dont really matter where you live. I have seen alot of signs (being a roofer, NOT mding) of what a certain few say on here in front of "Gated Community's" and in front of the parks and pools within that community, but even that was in those UPscale place around the Tampa Bay area of Florida( I LOVED FLORIDA). Haha here in my home state of Illinois, at least my area, we dont have to many gated community's and if they are gated, you are probably in the wrong Hood. Haha long story, i actually had to tell some Droopy Drawers kid gansters in a park one time that i wasnt the "dapolice" Anyway glad to see some more people who dont lack the sense of a common person.

 

[Steve77]

I am so glad you chimed in Steve, thank you. You have said pretty much all i wanted to say. I dont know you but am pretty sure i would buy you a beer and Big Elwood over at Fast Eddies Bon Air. If you ever want to go on a Mid illinois hunt around my area get in touch. Also just want to point out that around here, the public pools, if you got 5 bucks you could come from another counrty and swim(now, you certain few dont take it literal) just saying it dont really matter where you live. I have seen alot of signs (being a roofer, NOT mding) of what a certain few say on here in front of "Gated Community's" and in front of the parks and pools within that community, but even that was in those UPscale place around the Tampa Bay area of Florida( I LOVED FLORIDA). Haha here in my home state of Illinois, at least my area, we dont have to many gated community's and if they are gated, you are probably in the wrong Hood. Haha long story, i actually had to tell some Droopy Drawers kid gansters in a park one time that i wasnt the "dapolice" Anyway glad to see some more people who dont lack the sense of a common person.

Yeah here in michigan we do have some public access points that require an extra fee or permit, but those locations are funded directly by the special use fees. I like that idea, that way the people actually using that recreation area are paying for it and the local government can't cut the funding. I pay for an annual parking permit for access to be able to use some parks that have better or upgraded facilities that I use and appreciate. I understand both sides of this issue, but I take a literal view of law, If it isn't illegal then it is legal. I believe in this principal even if someone else is exercising their legal right to do something that I disagree with. If It is an important enough issue, I would exercise my right to petition government for redress of grievances, collect signatures etc., inevitably either choice leads to applying law not opinion.

 

[Mntnclmbr]

BensJamming, I'll be the devil's advocate here, with what you just said:

What do you say to those persons, who ... upon reading this advice to avoid potential busy-body/gripers. and go at lower traffic times, is: "Sneaking around". Or "ninja". And so forth ? Some persons look at such a stance as simply proof that .... well ... you "must be doing something illegal".

This has been the answer I've gotten , when offering your stance as as a solution to such encounters. Thus, how do you answer that?

Common Tom get a grip. Too predictable.

 

[Steve77]

We don't, you pay taxes in ONE town, that's where your kids go, it's also where your part of taxes go toward the REC. dept.

Sorry, but I hold myself to a higher standard, I don't see why I shouldn't expect the same from others.

Legal, illegal, You'll never convince me that driving up to a ball field and digging holes in it was ever promised to you in the constitution.

I honestly feel bad for all of you that this is the only way you feel you can MD. Is it lack of stones or people skills to go and search out private permission. I mean I keep hearing how good your plugs are, or does finding some kids dropped ice cream money really get your rocks off?

So do you drive 40 mph when the speed limit is 50 mph? and put 15% in the offering plate instead of 10%? and don't bother with deductions on your taxes either, better to pay more than your share right?

Your standards are not "standard". Around here the standard is: Public has a pretty clear definition.

Please do not try to pass your opinions off as common sense, standards, requirements, or laws. I will not twist your arm to agree to detect public property without explicit consent, nor would I even make an attempt.

I don't disagree with your entire point off view, but I believe we all have some rights to public places. Sometimes that means that the way we use those places interferes with someone else's use of the same property. I personally won't dig some public places for MY personal reasons, sometimes I will give advice against detecting certain public places.

If authorities(through legislation or individual request) had to specifically grant or deny permission for every single activity it would be more burdensome than you can even imagine. Should we need permission to build sand castles at the beach? Put a blanket on the ground for a picnic at the park? Drive a car that gets less than 30 mpg? Whether or not they cause damage is debatable to some folks. You could most certainly find groups of people who were opposed to any of these examples(while in favor of others). Freedom to choose is the only viable solution. There is a good reason not to need permission for things that are relatively benign. Forced or coerced compliance for everything is not freedom.

 

[Mntnclmbr]

This discussion remind me of that old Star Trek episode where two warring factions were fighting because the opposite halves of their faces were black (or white).
( not saying I don't have an opinion but....... Just sayin). .

 

[Steve77]

This discussion remind me of that old Star Trek episode where two warring factions were fighting because the opposite halves of their faces were black (or white).
( not saying I don't have an opinion but....... Just sayin). .

How did this turn into a race issue?

 

[mountain digger]

I thought your big problem with Harvey was ASSUMPTIONS? Aren't you making one with this post?

IMO = in my opinion. Not an assumption. Maybe this will help?

Definition of ASSUMPTION
1a : the taking up of a person into heaven
b capitalized : August 15 observed in commemoration of the Assumption of
the Virgin Mary
2: a taking to or upon oneself <the assumption of a new position>
3: the act of laying claim to or taking possession of something <the assumption of power>
4: arrogance, pretension
5: an assuming that something is true

Definition of OPINION
1a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter
b : approval, esteem
2a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge
b : a generally held view
3a : a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert
b : the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based

 

[notdapolice]

"You can call me ROOFER."


Was this suppose to impress me? Or is it your way of "bullying"? Just for the record Mr Roofer, I lugged 28 square of IKO's last week myself up to a 3rd story lake house we just framed. I'm not that impressed.......

*Staying On Topic*
TO THE OP, I CHANGED MY MIND. NEXT TIME PUNCH THAT COACH RIGHT IN THE KISSER!
*Now off topic for the last time and Im done.*
Jammed up a small 20 Sq. re deck(ply wooded over existing roof deck and shingled) today.Took 4 of us badass roofers 11 hours start to finish. Homeowner said he was Impressed, had a few cars just pull over to WATCH! Happens all the time Uptown, its what I DO for a living! And others like you try to do. I DONT NEED TO IMPRESS YOU! "Bully"? You got something against the roofers dont you, I knew it soon as you said you also did framing work. Most construction fields dont get along Hints why you (the framer) thinks I (the roofer) is a bully. Its the same story everywhere. We call you out on the lack of squareness of you're framing abilities and you guys get butthurt and cry "Bully". If you are saying Im a bully i would disagree. I think of it more like me putting 2 and 2 together as i said in only one of my 4 post on this thread. Heres a Fact, the toughest guys I know in the home building biz generally move towards roofing and masonry work. Just cause you cant hang with the BIG DOGS dont make the BIG DOGS "Bullys". 28 Square, 3 story sounds like a framers tale but IDK maybe you did it, sure it wasnt 28 bundles uptown? You know for 50 bucks extra roofing supply chains will stock the roof. Either way i might be impressed if we was having this discussion when i was 14. You wont get another peep from me. Judging by another thread started just recently you're doing a good enough job of showing you're ass. (Voice of Fez_That 70's Show) good day,I SAID GOOD DAY!

 

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