WildDigger
Elite Member
Ok question, so it is legal to coinshoot in a national forest? If so great cause we are going camping this weekend and I don't want to be bored. Lol. We are going WAY out in the woods.
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BottleCapKing
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It is illegal to detect on any federal land. If you are lucky, they will ask you to leave. More likely than not you would be arrested and possibly your gear seized.
Metal detecting is legal on NFS land. They are not part of the NPS. It is also legal on land owned by the Army Corp of Engineers.
Statements that it is illegal to detect on all Federal land are false.
He wasn't doing anything wrong.
Statements that it is illegal to detect on all Federal land are false.
He wasn't doing anything wrong.
It's the same way in all academic fields. You wouldn't even believe the kind of things one of my professors told me went on back in the late 1970's early 80's when he was a Computer Science major, they were literally taking students' work and selling it to major companies as their own for many millions of dollars in personal gain, and this was completely accepted.
You will find that higher education, especially in science, works like a medieval guild. All of the apprentices work is usually considered the property of the master.
The only advice I would give is follow your own heart. You don't need to buy into the hype while playing the game, but you will need to play the game to succeed. If you love it, that is what matters. When you have your own tenure then you can teach your students the way you like.
You will find that higher education, especially in science, works like a medieval guild. All of the apprentices work is usually considered the property of the master.
The only advice I would give is follow your own heart. You don't need to buy into the hype while playing the game, but you will need to play the game to succeed. If you love it, that is what matters. When you have your own tenure then you can teach your students the way you like.
Jason in Enid
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WildDigger
Elite Member
This is completely incorrect.
So I am ok to coinshoot on national forest land? I am not trying to stir the pot just trying to clarify this. I know if I ask any DNR officer they will do the norm and say no.
WildDigger
Elite Member
I found this on the chattahoochee national forest page.
Metal detectors may be used for recreational purposes (hunting for lost jewelry, coins, etc.) on Forest Service land in areas that do not contain or would not reasonably be expected to contain archaeological resources. Normally, developed campgrounds, swimming beaches, and other developed recreation sites are open to recreational metal detecting unless there are archaeological or historical resources present. Archaeological remains and artifacts on public land are protected by law from both removal and damage. If you discover such remains or artifacts, leave them undisturbed and notify a Forest Service office.
Metal detectors may be used for recreational purposes (hunting for lost jewelry, coins, etc.) on Forest Service land in areas that do not contain or would not reasonably be expected to contain archaeological resources. Normally, developed campgrounds, swimming beaches, and other developed recreation sites are open to recreational metal detecting unless there are archaeological or historical resources present. Archaeological remains and artifacts on public land are protected by law from both removal and damage. If you discover such remains or artifacts, leave them undisturbed and notify a Forest Service office.
RyanChappell
Elite Member
Exactly!
Just look at the two or three hordes uncovered in England since they changed the laws to reward the finders. We have learned a lot about the Roman's and ancient cultures through these finds! If not for the new laws, the finders would not have been able to notify archaeologist and authorities, without forfeiting their new found fortunes, and facing penalties. Previously, such finds probably were still made but sold on the black market. I do not think any law should ever read that the government owns the find like UK's law does, but perhaps the feds should be able or forced to buy it if it is of historical significance.
The archaeologist are not subject to the free market, and only compete for government money in a way we all know is political, that is why they are not efficient at uncovering historical finds like we are!
NevTrac
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Just like any arkie will say no. Read the Archeolgical Recources Protection Act (ARPA). For some reason I can't copy and paste a link, still trying to figure out this new computer and windows 7. Just Google ARPA.
No where in there will you find anything stating that coin shooting is illegal on NF land. Coins do not fall under the realm of artifacts. National parks are a different story.
Keith
NevTrac
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NevTrac
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Even better ...http://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5261774.pdf
I'm printing a copy and carrying it with me.
Keith
I'm printing a copy and carrying it with me.
Keith
GoGoGopher
Senior Member
I have NEEVR had a problem...Yet
I have never even seen an archie in my neck of the woods...I have never been asked to leave a location...Most groundskeepers or caretakers are impressed by my recovery methods...Unless a target is over 6" deep, my flap is usually only as wide as the hole is deep...I then return the lose dirt and fold the flap back into place...I always cut a 3-sided flap, so the mowers will not tear up my digs...This also gives the grass a better chance of surviving...Even in the fields I have hit for 5+ years, you cannot see too many signs of my presence there...This is how I like to keep it. I know my day is probably coming when I will run into some hot head who thinks they know it all, and just want to make my life as miserable as their own...Until then, I will just carry on as usual...
HH,
I have never even seen an archie in my neck of the woods...I have never been asked to leave a location...Most groundskeepers or caretakers are impressed by my recovery methods...Unless a target is over 6" deep, my flap is usually only as wide as the hole is deep...I then return the lose dirt and fold the flap back into place...I always cut a 3-sided flap, so the mowers will not tear up my digs...This also gives the grass a better chance of surviving...Even in the fields I have hit for 5+ years, you cannot see too many signs of my presence there...This is how I like to keep it. I know my day is probably coming when I will run into some hot head who thinks they know it all, and just want to make my life as miserable as their own...Until then, I will just carry on as usual...
HH,
vanstheman3
Elite Member
Arkies accckkkk
This entire situation of the government making massive areas of Public land off limits to detectors totally baffles me! These lands are not owned by the government and the government can only do things we allow them to do! Pick an City, County, or State, and do polls to determine how many Detectors live in any of them. Then do polls and determine how many Arkies live in those same ares! Ask an politician if he would rather have the metal detectors vote or the Arkies vote? Look at the massive problems we have in this country then "realize" instead of addressing real issues, our elected officials decided to spend their time passing laws against us finding anything That is probably rusting away in the ground, that they don't know is there anyway, in areas no Arkie will ever get a grant to search! These lands are held for the people to use for recreation and camping and fishing and whatever else people enjoy doing for recreation there, People can camp and throw their bottle caps and pull tabs and debris everywhere, they can dig a hole and take a dump and refill the hole or not! Everyone that goes to these places carry trash and debris in, we are the only group that always carries anything out. We are going to have to put up with this until we band together and have enough votes to swing votes our way! AARP, and Harley owners Group,abate, and other motorcycle rights groups, and NRA all have enough members to swing all the votes in our favor!!! It's easy to complain about something its harder to get off your duff and go fight for it.... Please make the effort to be an Asset not a Liability!!! Good Luck and Happy Hunting.....
This entire situation of the government making massive areas of Public land off limits to detectors totally baffles me! These lands are not owned by the government and the government can only do things we allow them to do! Pick an City, County, or State, and do polls to determine how many Detectors live in any of them. Then do polls and determine how many Arkies live in those same ares! Ask an politician if he would rather have the metal detectors vote or the Arkies vote? Look at the massive problems we have in this country then "realize" instead of addressing real issues, our elected officials decided to spend their time passing laws against us finding anything That is probably rusting away in the ground, that they don't know is there anyway, in areas no Arkie will ever get a grant to search! These lands are held for the people to use for recreation and camping and fishing and whatever else people enjoy doing for recreation there, People can camp and throw their bottle caps and pull tabs and debris everywhere, they can dig a hole and take a dump and refill the hole or not! Everyone that goes to these places carry trash and debris in, we are the only group that always carries anything out. We are going to have to put up with this until we band together and have enough votes to swing votes our way! AARP, and Harley owners Group,abate, and other motorcycle rights groups, and NRA all have enough members to swing all the votes in our favor!!! It's easy to complain about something its harder to get off your duff and go fight for it.... Please make the effort to be an Asset not a Liability!!! Good Luck and Happy Hunting.....
Keep in mind that the administration's wishes overseeing any NFS land need to be respected. Speaking for myself, I would probably email that office to let them know my coin hunting intentions and reassure them that no archaeological resources will be searched for or disturbed. That way they have a chance to voice any concerns beforehand. I would make sure to include my full name and address.
You can be sure that if they are uncomfortable with someone's activities on NFS land they can do something about it.
You can be sure that if they are uncomfortable with someone's activities on NFS land they can do something about it.
scash
Full Member
not arguing about the law but I have had the corps tell me to put my detector up and not get it back out.I was shooting in a campsite we had rented around the picnic table.
WVrelichunter
Full Member
You are assuming every employee knows every obscure statute...more likely they were having a bad day...
scash
Full Member
At that time right or wrong didn't matter,If I didnt put it away they were going to write me a ticket that involved a fine.
fred sanford
Elite Member
WVrelichunter
Full Member
Campgrounds are off limits in many places, including the local places around here but it is fine outside of the actual camp grounds. Did they say anything about the rest of the site?
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