Wondering about the head phones, I see the machine pictured but without.
Fisher Impulse AQ detector update
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Wondering about the head phones, I see the machine pictured but without.
Surf Master
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Obn
Getting one for now, bring my birthday gifts down in April, if the machine is out April 1st ill have it #1 on a list, since the water proofing is shallow, and with the large coil, your welcome to try it out in the wet, since your at 14 gold allready , ill hold all the gold you find with it
, your also welcome to use any scoop i have, just leave your equipment home, including the dry suit , Earl
Getting one for now, bring my birthday gifts down in April, if the machine is out April 1st ill have it #1 on a list, since the water proofing is shallow, and with the large coil, your welcome to try it out in the wet, since your at 14 gold allready , ill hold all the gold you find with it
, your also welcome to use any scoop i have, just leave your equipment home, including the dry suit , Earl
Surf Master
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Joe
Rick stated the headphones were chosen, he also said we would like what they selected, mmmmm , kinda scarey , better be custom at that price tag
Rick stated the headphones were chosen, he also said we would like what they selected, mmmmm , kinda scarey , better be custom at that price tag
Sandcrab
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Surf Master I would be real careful being first in line for this machine. Rick has also stated above "building a coil for this would not be too difficult." He is wrong, plain and simple. Building a coil for something under a pulse delay of 10 is not a simple task.
Many of Rick's comparisons, beliefs, and the things that he has stated on many posts are a fine line between real facts and what he believes or hopes.
Please don't say it will be like the equinox with videos and claims... The depth claims alone will be pure comedy... How many of these "actual purchasers" will have A) ever used a pulse machine at all B) ever used a high power pulse machine?
But Rick has claimed it was deeper than X,Y and Z machines "significantly"... What is significantly???
If you have bad ground, even a heavily mineralized beach. Good luck. Why do you think he did not answer my simple question a couple pages back?
Many of Rick's comparisons, beliefs, and the things that he has stated on many posts are a fine line between real facts and what he believes or hopes.
Please don't say it will be like the equinox with videos and claims... The depth claims alone will be pure comedy... How many of these "actual purchasers" will have A) ever used a pulse machine at all B) ever used a high power pulse machine?
But Rick has claimed it was deeper than X,Y and Z machines "significantly"... What is significantly???
If you have bad ground, even a heavily mineralized beach. Good luck. Why do you think he did not answer my simple question a couple pages back?
Many users I think will show videos and or post experiences.
And folks can weigh as a whole to see if detector is worth it for them to buy.
Hopefully the users’ videos will be better than this one here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JHIXHlGZUKQ
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I was not prepared for the price....wowser!
Mom told me to save my money. Uncanny....Did she know about my detector addiction back then?
I really can't take another sales shortage like the Equinox. That was freaking horrible.
Let's make a deal right now.........the wives will never know how much this thing costs.
On a serious note I have to wonder how deep some of you want to dig in the water. I tend to think that there is a limit where water movement, buoyancy, and the natural process of the hole filling in as quick as you dig it to make a deep hole quite unrealistic. It seems the only place where this detector will give an edge is the wet sand. Dry sand without a meter you still dig aluminum all freaking day long.
Mom told me to save my money. Uncanny....Did she know about my detector addiction back then?
I really can't take another sales shortage like the Equinox. That was freaking horrible.
Let's make a deal right now.........the wives will never know how much this thing costs.
On a serious note I have to wonder how deep some of you want to dig in the water. I tend to think that there is a limit where water movement, buoyancy, and the natural process of the hole filling in as quick as you dig it to make a deep hole quite unrealistic. It seems the only place where this detector will give an edge is the wet sand. Dry sand without a meter you still dig aluminum all freaking day long.
ROBOTCOP13
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Unless something has changed building a coil to those specs is more of an art than a science. I have an Eric Foster custom coil on my Detector Pro Head Hunter pulse and it out performs my other HHPIs. Gary Storm told me the coil was the difference.
When Gary's coil maker passed away he discontinued the HHPI line.
Watch the quality of the Production units.
When Gary's coil maker passed away he discontinued the HHPI line.
Watch the quality of the Production units.
Here’s what I actually wrote about coils for the AQ...
“PI coils are not that hard to make and I suspect that if there is a market for it someone could make aftermarket coils or build their own.”
I said nothing about such coils operating well - much less operating at 7 microseconds pulse delay.
As far as significantly deeper than X,Y and Z, here’s what I observed. I put a nickel on the black sand beach at Coronado San Diego. The AQ hit it at well over a foot. My Nox 600 hit it at about 10” with a normal VDI for a nickel.
I then buried the nickel at about 10”. The Nox couldn’t hear it, the AQ did. Curious, I then buried it at about 7-8” and the NOx got it but with a very low VDI.
Next I buried the nickel about as deep as I cared to dig - about 17 -18” - the Nox, of course, got nothing. The AQ hit the nickel just fine with a solid tone.
“PI coils are not that hard to make and I suspect that if there is a market for it someone could make aftermarket coils or build their own.”
I said nothing about such coils operating well - much less operating at 7 microseconds pulse delay.
As far as significantly deeper than X,Y and Z, here’s what I observed. I put a nickel on the black sand beach at Coronado San Diego. The AQ hit it at well over a foot. My Nox 600 hit it at about 10” with a normal VDI for a nickel.
I then buried the nickel at about 10”. The Nox couldn’t hear it, the AQ did. Curious, I then buried it at about 7-8” and the NOx got it but with a very low VDI.
Next I buried the nickel about as deep as I cared to dig - about 17 -18” - the Nox, of course, got nothing. The AQ hit the nickel just fine with a solid tone.
Surf Master
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Rick
Comparing machines, would be nice to see how the Manta stacks up , say to the Whites Df pi, 12 inch with the 6 in the middle, we all know that machine can smoke vlf's , that's a large price tag on a Pi that is over 3 times the price as the Surf Pi Df , with no video proof to back it up, it's all hype SO far, might hold off now, no holly grail , will wait on some proof in the pudding , before taking the bait , so far noone else has bit the hook here. I might add, if this machine does out gun the Df, it could be just the coil that make's the difference at over 3 time's the cost , no big deal, will wait on some video's as the Equinox vlf was all hyped up, it is a good light machine, room in my tool box, but at a reasonable price.
Comparing machines, would be nice to see how the Manta stacks up , say to the Whites Df pi, 12 inch with the 6 in the middle, we all know that machine can smoke vlf's , that's a large price tag on a Pi that is over 3 times the price as the Surf Pi Df , with no video proof to back it up, it's all hype SO far, might hold off now, no holly grail , will wait on some proof in the pudding , before taking the bait , so far noone else has bit the hook here. I might add, if this machine does out gun the Df, it could be just the coil that make's the difference at over 3 time's the cost , no big deal, will wait on some video's as the Equinox vlf was all hyped up, it is a good light machine, room in my tool box, but at a reasonable price.
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Copngrats, I haven’t read a 100 word sentence in years.
Frankly, what you think, don’t think or feel about it is pretty much your issue.
A couple of you folks have been busting my chops for a week or so about this. I’m not sure why. I am not trying to sell anybody anything, just sharing my information - and yes - to some extent, speculations.
It will reach production, it will be sold. You will then see what reaction testers and early buyers have to it. Your questions will be all answered and you can decide if it is something you want.
Till then I suggest that you just sit back and enjoy the ride.
P.S. it will cost what it costs - whether it will be worth it or nor depends on what it finds.
If you wait long enough - and IF it does what I suspect it will - I hope none of your competitors get it first!! Lol
Way less than 100 words.
Oh yes, since you. Now enjoy the pleasure of calling me by my first name, perhaps you could return the compliment and share yours??
Frankly, what you think, don’t think or feel about it is pretty much your issue.
A couple of you folks have been busting my chops for a week or so about this. I’m not sure why. I am not trying to sell anybody anything, just sharing my information - and yes - to some extent, speculations.
It will reach production, it will be sold. You will then see what reaction testers and early buyers have to it. Your questions will be all answered and you can decide if it is something you want.
Till then I suggest that you just sit back and enjoy the ride.
P.S. it will cost what it costs - whether it will be worth it or nor depends on what it finds.
If you wait long enough - and IF it does what I suspect it will - I hope none of your competitors get it first!! Lol
Way less than 100 words.
Oh yes, since you. Now enjoy the pleasure of calling me by my first name, perhaps you could return the compliment and share yours??
Steve
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Seems price is in line with similar models such as the atx or gtx series. The AQ looks MUCH lighter, easier to swing and by the sounds of it a better detector.
I will watch the news on this detector. To be honest this detector is the only detector that has me excited. Maybe some secret project out there is coming to release, but as a beach hunter this detector has to be considered. Ergonomics, stability, ease of use will all factor into my decision. Digging deep holes isn't an option if my swinging arm is thumping and I can't interpret the beeps. I look forward to holding one.
Surf Master
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Rick
My names Earl, been metal detecting since 1976 , enjoy the hobby when i am able to get out, not busting your chop's here, just finding out all the information i can on the machine, don't know if your a spokesman for Fisher, it appears so if you had your hand's on a machine, tested, talk the talk, walk the walk, like it's the detector of detector's , opinion's, question's about a machine that is not out yet, is discussed , no matter if it's you, a spokesman for Fisher , there will allway's be people interested in new equipment, i am one that usually jump's 1st, noone here bro., is forcing you to answer Question's, why i have , is you sure know a lot about the Manta , used cz20, cz70 pro, F75 standards, , and Ltds, it's not like i am not a Fisher fan, Whites, or Mine lab, use them all , i am interested in this machine, if the depth is great, i can tell you this, your spin with the Manta does not impress me, my Df can do what you did with the Manta, allway's looking for an edge, depth here, i am in the mid Atlantic were replentishment sand cover's my beaches , information before spending money on a machine is allway's questioned, sorry if you took me the wrong way, i can't speak for other's here, if i buy, or not buy, is up to me, thanks by the way bro. , for answering what you could EARL
My names Earl, been metal detecting since 1976 , enjoy the hobby when i am able to get out, not busting your chop's here, just finding out all the information i can on the machine, don't know if your a spokesman for Fisher, it appears so if you had your hand's on a machine, tested, talk the talk, walk the walk, like it's the detector of detector's , opinion's, question's about a machine that is not out yet, is discussed , no matter if it's you, a spokesman for Fisher , there will allway's be people interested in new equipment, i am one that usually jump's 1st, noone here bro., is forcing you to answer Question's, why i have , is you sure know a lot about the Manta , used cz20, cz70 pro, F75 standards, , and Ltds, it's not like i am not a Fisher fan, Whites, or Mine lab, use them all , i am interested in this machine, if the depth is great, i can tell you this, your spin with the Manta does not impress me, my Df can do what you did with the Manta, allway's looking for an edge, depth here, i am in the mid Atlantic were replentishment sand cover's my beaches , information before spending money on a machine is allway's questioned, sorry if you took me the wrong way, i can't speak for other's here, if i buy, or not buy, is up to me, thanks by the way bro. , for answering what you could EARL
Thanks Earl,
You are of course entitled to your questions, doubts, etc.
When better documented results from end users are available I Expect you will see that the AQ is significantly deeper and quieter than the DFPI. I have used both and there is frankly no comparison. Don’t take my word for it - after all - you consider me to be an unreliable or compromised source.
When lots of data is publicly available and your local competitors have cleaned up, let me know what you think about it . Till then - as I suggested, sit back and enjoy the ride instead of throwing shade on folks like me who want to share what they have experience or expect.
........ check your computer and make sure this key works. It’s important. Ends one thought and begins another.
You are of course entitled to your questions, doubts, etc.
When better documented results from end users are available I Expect you will see that the AQ is significantly deeper and quieter than the DFPI. I have used both and there is frankly no comparison. Don’t take my word for it - after all - you consider me to be an unreliable or compromised source.
When lots of data is publicly available and your local competitors have cleaned up, let me know what you think about it . Till then - as I suggested, sit back and enjoy the ride instead of throwing shade on folks like me who want to share what they have experience or expect.
........ check your computer and make sure this key works. It’s important. Ends one thought and begins another.
Surf Master
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Lol
I am keying on a smart phone, large finger's small key board, how many time's have you used the Manta , before you handed it back, experience , comparison's with machine's Head to Head is what i look for, not just a spin at the beach, i would like to believe all the hype, but as pro's on here , allway's proceed with caution
, happy hunting, cya.
I am keying on a smart phone, large finger's small key board, how many time's have you used the Manta , before you handed it back, experience , comparison's with machine's Head to Head is what i look for, not just a spin at the beach, i would like to believe all the hype, but as pro's on here , allway's proceed with caution
, happy hunting, cya.
Sandcrab
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Here’s what I actually wrote about coils for the AQ...
“PI coils are not that hard to make and I suspect that if there is a market for it someone could make aftermarket coils or build their own.”
I said nothing about such coils operating well - much less operating at 7 microseconds pulse delay.
As far as significantly deeper than X,Y and Z, here’s what I observed. I put a nickel on the black sand beach at Coronado San Diego. The AQ hit it at well over a foot. My Nox 600 hit it at about 10” with a normal VDI for a nickel.
I then buried the nickel at about 10”. The Nox couldn’t hear it, the AQ did. Curious, I then buried it at about 7-8” and the NOx got it but with a very low VDI.
Next I buried the nickel about as deep as I cared to dig - about 17 -18” - the Nox, of course, got nothing. The AQ hit the nickel just fine with a solid tone.
So now you want to play semantics??? Really? A thread about one certain machine, and now it is about building coils on any PI???
Compared to a NOX??? Boy that must have been quite the test... A VLF that does have issues with mineralizaion against a pulse a high powered pulse no less. You still did not answer this...
Ok, lets start with answering the highlighted post above. Since you chose not to answer it, I will ask directly. How can this machine run a delay at 7ms in running sea water with significant mineralization, but you had to bump the delay to half in what looked like damp sand, no moving sea water, in fact no water at all, with a few streaks of mineralizaion in San Diego?
How can it handle a heavily mineralized beach, or as some put it, really bad ground?
Now the second one is pretty easy too... I quoted directly from you.
When LE.Jag states that various other machines would have gotten variously smaller numbers of the targets he recovered in the same situation, he is basing that on years of using Manta protos and having owned and/or used the other machines in question extensively, often in direct side-by side comparison with Manta.
27 gold targets over 2 weeks
a BBS type ctx would have obtained between 5 and 10 golds
a tdi 14 volts between 10 and 15 golds
a deepstar III between 15 and 20 golds
I consider the gpx and gpz lower than the deepstar III
(on the beach, they make too much noise with the ground)
P.S. When he says “lower” about the ML machines, he means lower target recovery numbers, not “deeper”.
I want to make sure I understand this fully... You are stating what other machines could have found? Not tried to find, actually find, hope to find, wish it could find, but could have found... That is "basing that on years of using Manta protos and having owned and/or used the other machines in question extensively." Honestly, are you being serious?
So a few weeks ago I found a few rings on back to back hunts, me stating machine X could have found 4 of those and machine Y could have found 6? That is now a fact? Could it be "based on my experience" I could make that claim? Since 2 machines on the above list I own, what were the settings on the Deepstar 3? You are aware that it runs at a delay of about 14/15 and stock is pushing 14v, but you could push the power to about 17v and build a coil for more depth. Were any of these things done? The TDI voltage was running very low, if it was a TDI or a Pro that voltage could be bumped up quite a bit. What coil was on the TDI? I could ask about the ground, was it in water, saturated sand, wet sand, damp sand. But want to keep it simple...
Well, I really thought of letting this lay. I wrote this on 3/13/19 in the evening as a reply to your post. Shared it with a someone I trust, on this forum… But sat on it, figured why even post it. You did not answer my questions before, which were straight forward, not a gotcha question. Was curious for all the posting you have done, you did not want to answer one simple question. Then I figured why not... So to answer your long post...
I did not want this to get into another Beach Hunting mine is better than yours thing... I have no skin in the game, zero... As for machines used some of the ones are listed above. There are others but I figure those pull enough weight when talking about pulse machines...
I have also had contact with Reg and Carl years back and also talked with Dan (Guyer) on more than one occasion when the TDI was just hitting the market. Could add others but I do not think that is relevant.
If you want to dig a little deeper, check the username "poseidon" on another forum (not sure about the rules on this forum) and find this thread... "Difference between Deepstar 1 2 and 3" Who do you think that is? That author also did build coils for the Deepstar 3 for a bit...
I was also aware of the Manta and its website that I found on my own... Interesting, but not earth shattering. This is the only forum I belong to, I like many of the people here, they probably could not all say the same with me, but that is another matter...
Your interest and work are fine, give you credit for that... I read through your posts, all of them... Your comparisons, your beliefs, the things that you have stated on many posts is a fine line between real facts and what you believe or hope. But you stated them as facts. Your eagerness about this machine has turned you into a cheerleader, when you have nothing to back up many of your statements. You said in a post that is was deeper than your TDI... But let’s dig a bit deeper. How many hours have you beach detected with your TDI? (I used a machine you have personally owned) You had the couple "Regs" mods, did it have any others, what coil was being used, how about power (under load) that was going to the coil. The coil, was it a Mono, DF, DD, 000, spiderweb wound? But many posts by you have stated it was "significantly" deeper than a TDI, before and after you tested it. (But I saw a post today that asked you that question and you changed your tune to, you would have to buy it to find out. Why not so definitive?) What is "significantly" deeper? Half an inch, a foot? Am just curious. Smoother than the TDI Beach-Hunter? I own that one as well... How many hours would you say you have hunted a beach in the last let’s say 3 years? With any detector of your choosing…
And now JAG has just posted the machine with a photo of all the rings he found in a certain timeframe. But dig a bit deeper and some of those finds were from other posts, claiming a different timeline for finding them... So if I posted all the rings I found since the start of the year, what does that prove? Not a thing, I got my coil in the correct spot. My numbers for this year that I have and have not posted can hold their own, but it still proves nothing. But I would bet if I hunted the same area as him at the same time, with a different machine and he found more. Your comment would be “see look at what that machine can do!!!…” But what would be your response if I found more than him???
I would invite anyone to go read the threads, go read all your posts... I know a pulse machine is hard to use, one has to stay on top of it and using one is not a turn on and go machine. If one does that they will be losing depth with every swing.
If I think this machine is good, I will purchase it. The cost is not an issue for me. So far I have my doubts with what I already own. I look at the person that after reading all of your threads, goes out and plunks down that amount of money only to find it is a pulse machine. It's ground balance/discrimination sounds like it mimics the TDI which came into being from the GS5. Until I see the specs, I will not know for sure.
This is just one post, one... But is says a lot for many who know pulse machines...
""Although the system in the Manta is quite different than the TDI in its effects - because it is optimized for gold jewelry hunting, the basic principle remains. In all metal you hear all targets. As you increase the "discrimination" (which is an adjustment of the "balance point") high conductors are separated from low ones. Most iron and most silver fall into the high conductor area - therefore if you use the "iron cut" setting where no signal - or a broken up one is returned from iron, silver targets other high conductors will give the same results. In the "multitude" mode of discrimination, low conductors (gold jewelry, etc.) gives a solid high tone and high conductors give a "whoop-whoop" sort of tone. "
So you are saying the TDI is not optimized for gold? Or just gold jewerly? Care to share the pulse width/frequency/time domain of the TDI? I am sure I could call White's tomorrow or show you information which says otherwise. Another thing, could you explain every word in quotes from the above? That sounds interesting, and there sure are many quoted words there, but it sounds like “a ground balancing detector that is running on the same principal as the TDI." That only took me half a sentence to write.
I don't know if you are on Fishers payroll, are friendly with the staff, maybe get some award, personally is none of my business and don't care. For most users, this machine will be better than what they have if they own a pulse. For a user like me, seeing your posts, I seriously doubt it.
I think you are missing the point from your last sentence... I have nothing to gain or lose with this machine. Your reply to me was long on going into who you talked to, what you have owned and how it came into being. But short on the answers to the questions I had directly above your post in bold. Those tid-bits for a reply you gave to me were much different than the avalanche of posts you have written on every metal detecting forum I could find stating what this machine could do... I am not waiting with bated breath or believe once you get it you are going to come to a beach I hunt and "run me over..." You have been pumping this machine with all these "facts" whenever the topic comes up... Will it be deeper than the low powered machines on the market or the past, it should.
But for me, lets say I plunk down my money, get the machine and it is not better/deeper than any of the machines I already have. Can I go to you and say, you posted "this, this and this" why is it not doing what you stated? No I can't, but for me, is a lesson learned… But what bothers me is this... There will be many people who save, may go without something or many somethings so they can buy this machine. How many hours of work will it take them to purchase this machine? Lets just say it is $2200, something anyone reading this can calculate. If they were going on what you wrote, on just about every forum I can find, bold claims about "another gold rush" and pictures of gold in front of the machine... (I will bet more posts by you or JAG in the coming days/weeks giving dollar totals, gold or how this machine is the Golden Goose. You can make what you spent back in a matter of days with finds..) Take away all the fluff, it is still a pulse machine, and if you want the depth you will be running it in full pulse. There will be not one bit of recourse for you and all your posts... Even now do you notice how many have posted “I will wait until someone else buys one, then see…” So who is going to buy it, and what will it be tested against? Convenient in a way, your bases are covered no matter what you post because what are any of them going to compare it to? A low powered PI, a VLF? Be serious...
That is enough, I truthfully doubt you will answer any of this. Actually I did not write it for you. If one person reads this post, goes back and reads all your posts, and maybe reads future posts especially written by you or JAG on the “wonders of this machine” before plunking down their hard earned money before, that is why I wrote it…
Gee, Sabdcrab. You seem to have a lot of time on your hands.
Please, when this detector reaches market - and all the data is in from experienced users, please don’t buy one = more good stuff for the rest of us.
Your 1000 word (or thereabouts) manifesto seems to boil down to - “what you (Rick) have written is not proved, therefore you should be roundly criticized - because it is not proved.”
Fair enough - not proved. WAIT.
It will either be borne out by use in the field by experienced operators or not. When the results are in, I invite you to post your thoughts.
Till then. I suggest that you throttle back what seem to be increasingly a personal confrontation, I fear your comments are beginning to sound like attacks on my character and integrity. Hopefully that is not the case.
Most of us come here to exchange ideas, experiences and knowledge - and yes - opinions. You’re entitled to your store of all that. Please respect that others’ ideas, experiences, knowledge and opinions may differ from yours and that that might not indicate that they have hidden agendas.
With respect
Rick Kempf
Please, when this detector reaches market - and all the data is in from experienced users, please don’t buy one = more good stuff for the rest of us.
Your 1000 word (or thereabouts) manifesto seems to boil down to - “what you (Rick) have written is not proved, therefore you should be roundly criticized - because it is not proved.”
Fair enough - not proved. WAIT.
It will either be borne out by use in the field by experienced operators or not. When the results are in, I invite you to post your thoughts.
Till then. I suggest that you throttle back what seem to be increasingly a personal confrontation, I fear your comments are beginning to sound like attacks on my character and integrity. Hopefully that is not the case.
Most of us come here to exchange ideas, experiences and knowledge - and yes - opinions. You’re entitled to your store of all that. Please respect that others’ ideas, experiences, knowledge and opinions may differ from yours and that that might not indicate that they have hidden agendas.
With respect
Rick Kempf
Surf Master
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Sandcrab
Good point's , the Surf Pi was my favorate machine, bottom line it's a Pi, the premium componate's statement , i admit, had me smelling the bait, as far as the money for me Mr. Rick, it would be like spending a dime, i have an entire room filled with equipment, i have to answer to the boss on here, as to why i need another machine, thank's Sandcrab, i will sit back with you now on this one ,as all the hype get's my blood pumping, love the hobby, Earl
Good point's , the Surf Pi was my favorate machine, bottom line it's a Pi, the premium componate's statement , i admit, had me smelling the bait, as far as the money for me Mr. Rick, it would be like spending a dime, i have an entire room filled with equipment, i have to answer to the boss on here, as to why i need another machine, thank's Sandcrab, i will sit back with you now on this one ,as all the hype get's my blood pumping, love the hobby, Earl
