khouse
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I know! I wasn't expecting the results at all. That's why I want to see if anybody else comes up with the same?
etrac deep and fast settings
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khouse
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I wanted to add that when I had the deep on and fast off I varied the coil sweep speed all the way down to dead slow thinking surely it was going to hit the dime...but it didn't..
Maybe my deep and fast buttons are backwards?!! LOL
Maybe my deep and fast buttons are backwards?!! LOL
Jason in Enid
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The E-Trac doesn't do better with extremely slow swing rates, however it tolerates them to a far, far greater degree than almost any other detector. There is an optimal swing rate for all machines and going faster or slower will affect response.
khouse
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True. I slowed the coil sweep speed from fast to dead slow to cover any optimum sweep speed for having deep on only. This way nobody could say that it would have hit that target if I slowed my sweep with deep on. I'm hoping some others will post their results.....
khouse, what mode were you using? I will start trying changing settings on these 2 on "live" targets, since I don't have a test garden, and report back. Here's the modes and settings I'll be using, either My Mode 1 or My Mode 2 in the picture, depending on whether I am on the beach or dirt fishin' and I'll make note of the trash as well. That may have some influence on the fast side of the equation. 
khouse
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I'm not smart enough to show any fancy charts like yours! COOL! But if you take your Mode 2 beach you need to adjust your limits, var and thresh pitch to 30. Trash to high. Pinpoint - normal. Response - normal. Plus I was running this pattern. This is my high trash "beep dig" jewelry program. I should really call it the trash pick up pattern!
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Big Boys Hobbies
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I personally HATE fast mode on the Minelab E-Trac.
It degrades the audio signal so much it turns a good clean sounding hit into a iffy signal most of the time. Makes #'s bounce to much as well.
It degrades the audio signal so much it turns a good clean sounding hit into a iffy signal most of the time. Makes #'s bounce to much as well.
khouse
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When I first got my etrac about 3 years ago I experimented a lot with the settings. Especially the deep and fast. I didn't see much if any change in the way the machine hit my targets. Maybe it's because most of the soil I hunt in is rich and black? So I decided early on to just to stick with a setting and get to hunting. 95% of my settings are never really changed. Pretty much turn on and go only adjusting my disc patterns.... But now that I have more time on the machine I may be able to see a difference now with the deep and fast settings? So I'll be doing some field tests and see what I find out?
Surfchunker
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so Bart do you always hunt deep on or do you sometimes have both off ?
Mountain Mike
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After asking around it seems no one really ever uses deep or has any situations where they found it useful. So maybe I will leave it off and only experiment with the fast. Seems if the audio settings are right it does everything deep does without the processing.
khouse
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I'll have to agree. I mean I had both deep and fast on and didn't hit my test subject. Then when I turned the deep off and fast on I could then hit my target. So maybe having both deep and fast on made the machine fight itself like was said in an earlier post. Once I get back out I'll be doing a lot of field tests... BTW I misplaced my Andy S etrac book. What does he say?
Cooper 1841
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Andy's book, explains these settings, as pretty much site specific..................trashy.......fast on, shallow coins (beach) deep off etc.
Mountain Mike
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I really want to try this test. The A.S. book says that DEEP just amplifies weak signals. So it is interesting that you lost the signal altogether. Also the A.S. does not seem to have a clear position on these two settings. It shows other peoples programs and some use the settings and others not. Kinda 50/50.
I do, but...
I guess I am the exception Check out MY settings a few posts up, 2 of 3 are Deep ON and Mode 4 is just for occasions in the RV Park where I can't dig more than an inch or two...
Mode 1 is TTF, by the nature of why you use TTF - in trashy areas - you HAVE to run Fast ON
Mode 2 is my Beach Mode, so because I am on the beach, I want Deep ON and while it's trashy, there's not much Iron Trash and I scoop almost every target anyway
Mode 3 is for open fields and pastures where trash is low, both Mode 2 and Mode 3 are from Des Dunne. I have yet to work with Mode 3 much so I may decide I don't like it or need it when I do, but until then it will stay in my Modes line-up
My suggestion is to NOT rule out any setting until you have tried it IN YOUR GROUND. Don't cheat yourself based on what does or doesn't work for someone else in a different area.
I guess I am the exception
Check out MY settings a few posts up, 2 of 3 are Deep ON and Mode 4 is just for occasions in the RV Park where I can't dig more than an inch or two...Mode 1 is TTF, by the nature of why you use TTF - in trashy areas - you HAVE to run Fast ON
Mode 2 is my Beach Mode, so because I am on the beach, I want Deep ON and while it's trashy, there's not much Iron Trash and I scoop almost every target anyway
Mode 3 is for open fields and pastures where trash is low, both Mode 2 and Mode 3 are from Des Dunne. I have yet to work with Mode 3 much so I may decide I don't like it or need it when I do, but until then it will stay in my Modes line-up
My suggestion is to NOT rule out any setting until you have tried it IN YOUR GROUND. Don't cheat yourself based on what does or doesn't work for someone else in a different area.
Mountain Mike
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That is something I'm wondering about Robby. If either setting is useful. Then WHEN do folks use them to get better results? What is the right situation?
khouse
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I run my volume limit and gain at 30. So I'm already amplifying a deep or small target response. I'm guessing in this case running deep on isn't doing anything? Now I can't wait to get out and revisit these settings in the field. I thought I had the machine figured out? But no. That's what makes it fun... Always learning........
For ME on the beach it DOES make a difference. While the E-Trac is nowhere near as deep as my Sovereign, Deep ON does make a difference. I have found deeper targets while in Deep ON and switched it to OFF and swung over the target again and there is a noticable difference in the target response, and the FeCo numbers become less stable, but I would still dig the target anyway
khouse
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I see your volume gain is 26. So there is some amplification left to be had. I wonder if you had bumped your volume gain to 30 if the deep setting would have changed anything? I run my gain at 30 so this "may" be why I never noticed a difference in performance?
To each his own, but...
Maxing out the volume gain is like running to the store in your Ferrari and using Nitrous from stoplight to stoplight, it'll work but you miss a lot of sights along the way... In my opinion. I like a little flexibility.
As for it "amplifying" the signal (page 31 in "THE" book), Andy means that it amplifies the SIGNAL, NOT the SOUND. We are talking the waveform signal between the coil sees from the target.
I encourage you all to try this, find a target that shows 10 to 12 inches deep, change to 25 on gain and see if that makes a difference, then change Deep to ON and see if that changes things, then drop gain until there is a very noticeable difference, THEN turn Deep back OFF and see what happens. I will and I'll report back here...
Maxing out the volume gain is like running to the store in your Ferrari and using Nitrous from stoplight to stoplight, it'll work but you miss a lot of sights along the way... In my opinion. I like a little flexibility.
As for it "amplifying" the signal (page 31 in "THE" book), Andy means that it amplifies the SIGNAL, NOT the SOUND. We are talking the waveform signal between the coil sees from the target.
I encourage you all to try this, find a target that shows 10 to 12 inches deep, change to 25 on gain and see if that makes a difference, then change Deep to ON and see if that changes things, then drop gain until there is a very noticeable difference, THEN turn Deep back OFF and see what happens. I will and I'll report back here...
khouse
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I will try all settings as soon as I can get back out.
