Tom_in_CA
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Toy-soldier and Bill-ace :
You guys bring up good discussion. In-so-far as it relates to our hobby and the subject-at-hand. And, as you know: I'm ALL ABOUT SPLITTING HAIRS when it comes to legality-issues of our hobby, eh ?
But I'm also all about the psychology of the entire issue, that surrounds this aspect of our hobby. So when it boils down to the current posts of yours (Ie.: Our actual constitutional rights), then: In-my-mind's-eyes, it does nothing more than conjur up some of those wild youtube videos of people who "challenge cops". Eg.: Invite roadside debates with cops , border patrols, etc...
And ... even though those youtubers or you may be "in the right", it never seems to turn out to be pretty. And in the present case, we're talking "small potatoes geek md'rs" . Ie.: Not motorists who don't think they have to submit to a breathalizer, blah blah
So, despite my love-of-splitting hairs on "allowed" vs "not allowed", yet on THIS PARTICULAR ANGLE : I'm all about "giving lip service". Going ahead and kissing butts . Ie.: WHETHER OR NOT it's "required" (constitutional debate, sovereign nation debates, etc...) is a moot point. Not a question of whether it's "right or wrong". But more a question of "What produces the best outcome for us md'rs ?"
And IMHO, the LESS those cops think about us, and the LESS that office-bound bureaucrats think about us, the better. And sometimes the best way to accomplish that, is NOT to be "demanding our rights" (no matter how court-ordered-correct that-might-be). Instead, the better results seem to be by us being non-issues. Even if that meant "kissing butt" and "lip service" .
And if this means being un-seen (choosing discreet times to detect), then to me: That saves a lot of time & energy . Rather than debating whether or not they legally can ask us for ID's, whether or not they can legally tell you to stop, etc.... Because if it's boiling down to the "prove-myself-legal", method, then that's like thinking "we're going to convert the world to love & adore us." And they be "forced to agree with us". And I just don't think that's possible.
And in my quest to hunt the coolest sites possible, and fend off "attention to myself", I will tend to weigh the "flies & honey vs vinegar" analogy.
You guys bring up good discussion. In-so-far as it relates to our hobby and the subject-at-hand. And, as you know: I'm ALL ABOUT SPLITTING HAIRS when it comes to legality-issues of our hobby, eh ?
But I'm also all about the psychology of the entire issue, that surrounds this aspect of our hobby. So when it boils down to the current posts of yours (Ie.: Our actual constitutional rights), then: In-my-mind's-eyes, it does nothing more than conjur up some of those wild youtube videos of people who "challenge cops". Eg.: Invite roadside debates with cops , border patrols, etc...
And ... even though those youtubers or you may be "in the right", it never seems to turn out to be pretty. And in the present case, we're talking "small potatoes geek md'rs" . Ie.: Not motorists who don't think they have to submit to a breathalizer, blah blah
So, despite my love-of-splitting hairs on "allowed" vs "not allowed", yet on THIS PARTICULAR ANGLE : I'm all about "giving lip service". Going ahead and kissing butts . Ie.: WHETHER OR NOT it's "required" (constitutional debate, sovereign nation debates, etc...) is a moot point. Not a question of whether it's "right or wrong". But more a question of "What produces the best outcome for us md'rs ?"
And IMHO, the LESS those cops think about us, and the LESS that office-bound bureaucrats think about us, the better. And sometimes the best way to accomplish that, is NOT to be "demanding our rights" (no matter how court-ordered-correct that-might-be). Instead, the better results seem to be by us being non-issues. Even if that meant "kissing butt" and "lip service" .
And if this means being un-seen (choosing discreet times to detect), then to me: That saves a lot of time & energy . Rather than debating whether or not they legally can ask us for ID's, whether or not they can legally tell you to stop, etc.... Because if it's boiling down to the "prove-myself-legal", method, then that's like thinking "we're going to convert the world to love & adore us." And they be "forced to agree with us". And I just don't think that's possible.
And in my quest to hunt the coolest sites possible, and fend off "attention to myself", I will tend to weigh the "flies & honey vs vinegar" analogy.