Carbon Fiber Handles - a little history

[DaviDs]

Went through a few different designs. Settled on a compromise between weight and strength. Do a lot of traveling with my detector.
Yesterday put my detector and scoop into a backpack and walked to the beach . Simple
I'm 6ft1 and use the 51"

Steve, guess this means you have the best two-piece handles that are in the 48"-54" range!!!! .

 

[DaviDs]

See the image

By the way, due to changes at the post office, UPS and Fedex, we had to change our handles from 48" to 47"

Chuck

That stinks.... I know every inch counts! LOL. BTW, I gotta give you credit for the design. Hunt in the water and you know the handle gets slippy. The snake scale grip mitigates that and is well, is simply awesome.

 

[Steve]

Steve, guess this means you have the best two-piece handles that are in the 48"-54" range!!!! .

I've made a few changes to make it even lighter.

 

[Gold Digger 2]

Chuck, your CF travel handle is awesome,,,,,really nice design and easy to deal with and assemble,,,,you are the guy that stands behind what he sells,,,,,,GL HH

 

[Mud-puppy]

Some of the paddleboard paddlemakers are doing OVAL CF shafts...since the 'force' is mainly in that pull plane....very light of course...maybe this theory could be adopted in scoop shafts? A guy would need new mandrels though...the only way I know this is because I found this paddle one morning on a beach hunt..popped it up on CL and made a fast $100....The tee handle on top would be sort of handy even...just a thought...

 

[Steve]

Some of the paddleboard paddlemakers are doing OVAL CF shafts...since the 'force' is mainly in that pull plane....very light of course...maybe this theory could be adopted in scoop shafts? A guy would need new mandrels though...the only way I know this is because I found this paddle one morning on a beach hunt..popped it up on CL and made a fast $100....The tee handle on top would be sort of handy even...just a thought...

If you just had the handle and you swung it in the water What would happen? Swing it like a detector trying to pinpoint . Or cross currents.
There is a way to do it but that's a hundred years a way and the costs certainly couldn't be justified by a detector company

 

[Mud-puppy]

If you just had the handle and you swung it in the water What would happen? Swing it like a detector trying to pinpoint . Or cross currents.
There is a way to do it but that's a hundred years a way and the costs certainly couldn't be justified by a detector company

Dont know, but I've often thought a good water 'lower shaft' design for the Wading Hunters would be of an elliptical or oval shape...better hydrodynamics than the typical round shaft..

When a fellow is swinging a coil side to side all day long in the water, even knee deep, a guy can only go so fast on account of the strain on the arm...Consider a shaft constructed alternatively...Oval...like 'feathering' a canoe paddle sort of...? zero hydro resistance...

I've paddled and poled boats on countless miles of water...and a round shaft on a push pole has enough resistance where a guy can use it an an effective propulsion device even if he cant get the bottom...However, you take a canoe paddle and turn it sideways, it simply slices through the water..Apply this observation/concept to a detectors lower shaft?

So, for a lower shaft rod, for a wading detectorist, an elliptical or oval shaft construction would sure take the pain out of it...speed things up, cover more real estate quicker and easier...? Right? Especially with a fast recovery rig like the AtPro or the Nox, whos speedy recovery advantage is negated by the hydrodynamics of the shaft design? ...Time and Gold wait for Nobody?

 

[Steve]

Dont know, but I've often thought a good water lower shaft design for the Wading Hunters would be of an elliptical or oval shape...better hydrodynamics than the typical round shaft..

When a fellow is swinging a coil side to side all day long in the water, even knee deep, a guy can only go so fast on account of the strain on the arm...Consider a shaft constructed alternatively...Oval...like 'feathering' a canoe paddle sort of...? zero hydro resistance...

I've paddled and poled boats on countless miles of water...and a round shaft on a push pole has enough resistance where a guy can use it an an effective propulsion device even if he cant get the bottom...However, you take a canoe paddle and turn it sideways, it simply slices through the water..Apply this observation/concept to a detectors lower shaft?

So, for a lower shaft rod, for a wading detector, an elliptical or oval shaft construction would sure take the pain out of it...speed things up, cover more real estate quicker and easier...? Right? Especially with a fast recovery rig like the AtPro or the Nox...

The paddle is submerged in the water being pulled 1 direction. A detector is being swung every which direction. Other factors come into play too.. such as water current, waves, plant debris. Could it do it? Sure, with a couple million to develop it.
Simple solution would be an eleptic or oval shaft with a swivel where the shaft lock should be allowing the shaft to adjust itself for least possible resistance per swing... but this doesn't take into account external factors such as current, waves, plant debris, etc.
Sorry if getting a little too nerdy

 

[Mud-puppy]

The paddle is submerged in the water being pulled 1 direction. A detector is being swung every which direction. Other factors come into play too.. such as water current, waves, plant debris. Could it do it? Sure, with a couple million to develop it.
Simple solution would be an eleptic or oval shaft with a swivel where the shaft lock should be allowing the shaft to adjust itself for least possible resistance per swing... but this doesn't take into account external factors such as current, waves, plant debris, etc.
Sorry if getting a little too nerdy

Not nerdy at all..I'm hearing you...I just bet like most things, if a guy would be the first to market, he might make some bank on such a concept that people would readily understand and pay for!...Anybody whos ever stirred a cup of coffee with a swizzlestick?

Just walk out into the water with a round dowel and a canoe paddle...swing them both as if a guy was detecting normally, one arm...then turn the canoe paddle sideways, or flatten out the swizzlestick between your teeth and see for yourself!....

Matter of fact, "The Swizzlestick' would be one hell of a name!

 

[itsaring!]

Some of the paddleboard paddlemakers are doing OVAL CF shafts...since the 'force' is mainly in that pull plane....very light of course...maybe this theory could be adopted in scoop shafts? A guy would need new mandrels though...the only way I know this is because I found this paddle one morning on a beach hunt..popped it up on CL and made a fast $100....The tee handle on top would be sort of handy even...just a thought...

I do understand what you are sort of saying about paddles. People who don't kayak don't know you also use the paddle to sit on to get in and out. And im 250 pounds They been making composite paddles a long time. Ive had them since the early 90s and had to get them from New Zeland. Back then your paddle cost two or three times what the kayak did. But a paddle is your motor out in the middle of nowhere. You can dig with a shovel if you have to. Try paddling a kayak with a shovel Back then and today they designed kayak paddles for wind resistance. And the theory should also work in water. Wish I had one of my old paddles. The design sliced the wind due to the oval design when your blade was on a flat plane cutting the wind. I know this is too deep detector company to understand. But think about sliced water and resistance. Its worse than wind.

 

[Mud-puppy]

I do understand what you are sort of saying about paddles. People who don't kayak don't know you also use the paddle to sit on to get in and out. And im 250 pounds They been making composite paddles a long time. Ive had them since the early 90s and had to get them from New Zeland. Back then your paddle cost two or three times what the kayak did. But a paddle is your motor out in the middle of nowhere. You can dig with a shovel if you have to. Try paddling a kayak with a shovel Back then and today they designed kayak paddles for wind resistance. And the theory should also work in water. Wish I had one of my old paddles. The design sliced the wind due to the oval design when your blade was on a flat plane cutting the wind. I know this is too deep detector company to understand. But think about sliced water and resistance. Its worse than wind.

Right Larry? Anybody that water wades and hunts just a little bit soon learns he has got to slow way down on the swing speed on account of the ergonomics/hydrodynamic/physical limitations...A guy cant fight the water and expect to win..Its arduous and painful to even try ....A Hydrodynamic shaft design has got to have a benefit..? Especially if a guy has a fast recovery rig? Or else whats the point?

 

[itsaring!]

Right Larry? Anybody that water wades and hunts just a little bit soon learns he has got to slow way down on the swing speed on account of the ergonomics/hydrodynamic/physical limitations...A guy cant fight the water and expect to win..Its arduous and painful to try ....A Hydrodynamic shaft design has got to have a benefit..?

No doubt. And if you ever kayaked you know a paddle bares a load from all angles. That's how you throw on the brakes and hit reverse And they also get used as a pushpole

 

[Mud-puppy]

No doubt. And if you ever kayaked you know a paddle bares a load from all angles. That's how you throw on the brakes and hit reverse And they also get used as a pushpole

Yeah! Same with a detecting rod! I build boats, oars and paddles..a lifetime of study..frustrating that this obvious design was overlooked in our Sport...Everytime I get into the water, swinging coil with a round shaft rod...I'm like Damn! Are you kidding me or what?

 

[DaviDs]

Yeah! Same with a detecting rod! I build boats, oars and paddles..a lifetime of study..frustrating that this obvious design was overlooked in our Sport...Everytime I get into the water, swinging coil with a round shaft rod...I'm like Damn! Are you kidding me or what?

^^^Beautiful wood work !

 

[Surf Master]

Hey Mud

Can you build me a 27 foot Grady White howboutit

 

[Mud-puppy]

Can you build me a 27 foot Grady White howboutit

Yep..Well, not an exact replica, theres no fun in that for me, but something similar and twice as cool anyway....I have a few more boats floating around in my mind I need to get out...One is a 28' center console, twin 4 stroke pushers...another tug, another electric launch with canopy, a steamer like the African Queen, and a really cool and crazy looking modernistic stealth w/ plumb or reverse stem, 30' with a jet drive...

I start with a general idea/concept, get out and get busy, and the wood takes over from there...I really dont know whats gonna come out of my shop...they sort of evolve along the way....

 

[Steve]

Yep..Well, not an exact replica, theres no fun in that for me, but something similar and twice as cool anyway....I have a few more boats floating around in my mind I need to get out...One is a 28' center console, twin 4 stroke pushers...another tug, another electric launch with canopy, a steamer like the African Queen, and a really cool and crazy looking modernistic stealth w/ plumb or reverse stem, 30' with a jet drive...

I start with a general idea/concept, get out and get busy, and the wood takes over from there...I really dont know whats gonna come out of my shop...they sort of evolve along the way....

You built those by hand? Pretty impressive if you did

 

[ScubaDetective]

Hey Mud, Did you make all of them? Beautiful work.

And don't worry about making SurfMaster a boat. First it will be too expensive for him. He needs something cheap. Second it would find a nice cosy place in his driveway and never be used.

 

[OBN]

Mud must had been a Viking in his past life...now he's a ......

 

[Michigan_PM]

This is Chucks website

http://www.stealthscoop.com/

Then that explains why it was down!

That's a nicely made scoop!