Always ask permission

ollievon

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Hit a few farmers fields on Veteran's Day out near me and was lucky to nail a large cent, date unreadable, but regardless a nice hit. On a map I had from 1857 there was a property with an old school no longer there and I decided to drive down to the farmers house to ask permission (I always ask permission, poaching is never a wise decision in Upstate New York).

So, after driving down a desolate dirt road bordered by old stone walls on either side for about a 1/4 mile I came across the farmer on his tractor. He stared at me and I parked my car off the side and got out with my hand extended, he looked very weary and eventually put his hand out to shake, but it was already awkward I felt.

I started the conversation by telling him that one of the local well known farmers suggested that I come over and introduce myself to ask permission to MD (since I MD on their land already); before I got another word out he shot me down right then and there "Nope, don't want none of that on my land", it was awkward already just driving to a desolate place to ask permission from (clearly) someone who doesn't get out much, ugh.

He then told me that he and his brother planned on MD'ing when they retire; so having nothing else to lose I offered him my phone number and said "well, ok, if you and your brother do decide to do it, let me know and I will give you some pointers", apparently this seemed to change the climate of the conversation and he opened up about the property and started pointing in all directions where old houses were located on his land and about a community that existed in the 1700's that's not on any maps. I thanked him for his time and he went back to his tractor.

Although it was a rejection it just shows how you can get your foot (possibly) in the door, although I doubt my phone will be ringing anytime in the near future.

Still, no matter how bad you want to bang out a long forgotten site, always ask. This was one farmer I would not want to run into just digging on his land at random without permission.
 
That's actually the kind of guy that probably knows nothing about detecting and if you approach it not from a " I want to detect your property" but from an angle of " I can assist you from a technical perspective, an actually help him...before you know it you are detecting his property or another plot nearby.
 
That farmer knows something is buries on his land, he just hasn't found it yet and sure don't want a stranger to find it! He knows the history of the land and knows it has to hold some surprises. I would have told you the same thing! lol

At least you tried! Better luck on the next one!
 
You never know where a path will lead unless you take it. Robert Frost said it well in "The Road not Taken"

TWO roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth; 5

Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same, 10

And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back. 15

I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference. 20
 
That's actually the kind of guy that probably knows nothing about detecting and if you approach it not from a " I want to detect your property" but from an angle of " I can assist you from a technical perspective, an actually help him...before you know it you are detecting his property or another plot nearby.

From the OP's story, the farmer sounded like a straight shooting, no BS kind of guy. I'm sure someone like that would know a sales pitch like that when they hear it.
 
You tried and he denied! His right of course. At least you were not greeted with a 12 gauge double barrel and a smirkish grin on his face. I guess he wants to keep the land away from intrusion. Can't say I blame him even if he had no intention to ever metal detect on it.

People have come to mistrust folks due to the state of the world we live in.

Try the next farmer and you may get a okay!
 
That would have been a great time to have one of business sized cards that some talk about. The farmer might have stuck it on his dresser and later reconsidered - or decide to get a MD now and might have called for advice.
 
I wouldn't do it any other way thinking back, asking for permission is the right thing to do and rejection is something you need to accept. I don't like the "asking for forgiveness is better than permission" ethos, it's sleazy and if I was the property owner would definitely resent someone poaching on my land.

Luckily an area farmer I know owns tons of land in that area and is buying up more all the time, so eventually (fingers crossed) they will sell and my friend will purchase their land as well, I can wait.
 
Take over a cheap coinmaster for him to try and see of y'all can try it out. Tell home you'll show him what u find...
 
Excellent post! I think thrusting your hand out as you approached the farmer was maybe a mistake, though. To me, that says "salesman" or worse, "shyster." I'd have just said, "Hi, My name is ____ and I live down the road (or wherever)." Then the explanation and request, and a handshake at the end of the conversation.

Also - when he mentioned he and his brother were going to give it a shot someday, I'd have immediately responded with "I have a couple of spare detectors I'd be happy to lend you. Then you can give it a try before you buy your own. They're a little bit tricky to use, but I can show you how they work. Would you like me to bring them by?"

If he was serious about detecting his own property, he may take you up on this offer. (Assuming he liked what he saw of you so far.) Even if you never get on the property yourself, you've made a couple of new friends who might vouch for you with other farmers in the area.
 
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