Advice on a beach detector please

Vegas2831

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I am looking to purchase a beach detector and would appreciate some advice on what seasoned hunters are using successfully.

I spent several very frustrating hours at the beach with my Whites V3i in salt & beach mode and literally found nothing.

I'd be interested in a midrange price detector say about $500 or so. I will be searching the waterline and sand, I'm not going diving.

Thanks in advance.

Bart
 
V3i works great for me... but a Sovereign would be more user friendly.

I run the V3i with the settings:

3 frequency mode
Salt Compensate - On *
Rx gain - 12 *
Disc gain - 85 *
All metal gain - 90 *
Ground filter- 5khz bandpass *
Response delay - 99 *
Accept all VDIs *
-95 to -10 is a deep low tone for Iron
-9 to 0 is a low/medium tone (could be fine gold)
+1 to +55 is a sweet mid tone for gold
+56 to +95 is a high tone
Correlate data

* - This setting has an effect on depth.

Hunt in Mixed mode on wet sand, which is all metal and disc at the same time. The all metal part allows you to hear targets out of range of disc, and also allows you to pinpoint without pulling the trigger (disc mode has a slight delay before beeping, which makes pinpointing a pain).

The gain settings are starting points, some beaches I can turn the 3 settings up a little, other beaches I have to lower them a little.

Probably forgetting some stuff...

Sovereign is definitely easier to use... I turn it on, volume to max, 0 disc, adjust sensitivity to be just under falsing... and that's it. Only thing I ever change is the sensitivity.
 
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V3i works great for me... but a Sovereign would be more user friendly.

I run the V3i with the settings:

3 frequency mode
Salt Compensate - On
Rx gain - 12
Disc gain - 85
All metal gain - 90
Ground filter- 5khz bandpass
Response delay - 99
Accept all VDIs
-95 to -10 is a deep low tone for Iron
-9 to 0 is a low/medium tone (could be fine gold)
+1 to +55 is a sweet mid tone for gold
+56 to +95 is a high tone
Correlate data

Hunt in Mixed mode on wet sand, which is all metal and disc at the same time. The all metal part allows you to hear targets out of range of disc, and also allows you to pinpoint without pulling the trigger (disc mode has a slight delay before beeping, which makes pinpointing a pain).

The gain settings are starting points, some beaches I can turn the 3 settings up a little, other beaches I have to lower them a little.

Probably forgetting some stuff...

I better try your settings. I tried fox's central Florida settings and they didn't work here. All I know is when/if I figure out how to tune it right these micro gold chains are in trouble:yes:
 
I better try your settings. I tried fox's central Florida settings and they didn't work here. All I know is when/if I figure out how to tune it right these micro gold chains are in trouble:yes:

I really need to test out the TX boost, I have a feeling with the right balance between TX boost and the 3 gains, it could improve performance even more (but half the battery life...).

Micro gold probably isn't happening though, unless you are in 22khz mode in the dry. :D

What was the problem on your beaches?
 
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I really need to test out the TX boost, I have a feeling with the right balance between TX boost and the 3 gains, it could improve performance even more (but half the battery life...).

Micro gold probably isn't happening though, unless you are in 22khz mode in the dry. :D

What was the problem on your beaches?

That's why I have a drysand test garden:D I couldn't get it to run smooth. Rome wasn't built in a day. I bought the V3i to learn to use it over winter. DFX takes 3 years to learn. V3i has more potential than most realize. My DFX though. Thin sand no other machine scares me out there when I have my DFX:yes:
 
What coil are you running?

10x12 SEF. Mine came with the 950 ellipse which I hear is the one to use on the beach because it can disc out bottle caps, but I like DD coils. Never tried the stock coil, so not sure how that one works on the beach... but I imagine it's close to the 10x12 sef.
 
That's why I have a drysand test garden:D I couldn't get it to run smooth. Rome wasn't built in a day. I bought the V3i to learn to use it over winter. DFX takes 3 years to learn. V3i has more potential than most realize. My DFX though. Thin sand no other machine scares me out there when I have my DFX:yes:

22khz mode is a whole new ballgame, I have to really lower the rx gain and disc sensitivity to keep the chatter down. Same problem with my Tejon. I'm still trying to figure out the best settings for the dry, going on a 3 hour dry hunt tonight, my goal is to get it to run as hot as possible and still be stable... then I'll come home and test those setting in air tests and see how sensitive it potentially is at those settings.

One thing I have noticed though, with both the Tejon and V3i in 22khz mode, even with the constant chatter, the falsing is quick spits and sputters, the good targets are pretty obvious strong signals, you just aren't going to hear the whispers with all the chatter... but you will hear a pencil lead thick chain/earring back at 3-4 inches.
 
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I am looking to purchase a beach detector and would appreciate some advice on what seasoned hunters are using successfully.

I spent several very frustrating hours at the beach with my Whites V3i in salt & beach mode and literally found nothing.

I'd be interested in a midrange price detector say about $500 or so. I will be searching the waterline and sand, I'm not going diving.

Thanks in advance.

Bart

The quest for the perfect beach metal detector to this point has been quixotic. Minelab, has come the closest to building a fully submersible beach machine that can discriminate out iron in wet sand and saltwater and still give you good depth. The “Excalibur” uses Broad Band Spectrum, or “BBS” technology, and retails for about $1,500.00.

According to Minelab, their BBS operating system, “simultaneously transmits, receives and analyses a broad band of multiple frequencies to deliver substantial detection depth, high sensitivity and accurate discrimination for a wide range of target types.” The key takeaway here is “multiple frequencies.” Unfortunately, radio waves regardless of their frequency still have to be filtered and balanced in heavily conductive wet-ocean sand and highly mineralized saltwater. That limits the systems depth capabilities.

Single frequency VLF machines (Very Low Frequency), have even more limitations in the harsh saltwater environment. Take for example the Tesoro Lobo Super Traq. This VLF single frequency machine (17.9Khz) is one of the finest and deepest gold nugget finders on the market today. The Lobo Super Traq, is capable of finding BB-sized gold nuggets seven-inches deep in heavily mineralized ground, or a nickel in dry beach sand at 12-inches. Put that same nickel, seven-inches deep in wet saltwater sand and the Lobo could walk right over it while chattering, or maybe without seeing it at all. Why?

The magnetic iron sands (“Black Sands”), salt, and high concentrations of other minerals in the water and sand conspire to bounce the radio waves away from the target. Conductivity and mineralization act like a shield around the target and create white noise that must be filtered electronically. Think of it as turning on your bright headlights in a heavy fog at night. All that powerful light is diffused and causes a complete white out – you can’t see anything three-feet past the hood of your car!

However when you turn on your yellow fog lights, you can see a little further – not as far as you could in clear daylight, but further. That is why all radio wave machines must be “ground balanced” or tuned, to maximize their depth potential, and why BBS filters and multi-frequencies are so effective – yet still limited.

Unlike BBS and VLF metal detectors, which constantly send and receive thousands of low frequency radio waves per second, a Pulse Induction (PI) metal detector fires high-voltage pulses into the sand several hundred times per second. If no metal is present the electric pulse decays at a uniform rate with no anomalies. When metal is present a small “eddy” current flows through it causing the voltage decay time to increase, which creates a measurable anomaly. Unlike VLF radio waves, electronic pulses are impervious to the effects of conductivity and mineralization, and are unaffected by salt or black sands.

PI metal detectors give the user superior depth capabilities in all metal detecting situations and soil conditions. Using the same heavy fog at night metaphor that I referred to earlier, pulse induction is like headlights that cut completely through the fog as if it were not there at all. The trade-off for that added depth and clarity is the inability to discriminate, or block out iron targets that you generally don’t want to waste time and energy digging. While a pulse induction machine detects all metals without discrimination, the minute differences in the signal tone and quality can give a skilled and experienced operator a clue as to what the target may, or may not be.

Will one machine do it all? Not in my opinion. I always advise new beach metal detecting hobbyists to have a VLF machine for dry sand (as well as their other dirt detecting needs), and a PI machine for the water and wet-sand (and deep farm field and relic hunting). In truth, it all comes down to what you prefer and can afford. Good Luck!
 
I am looking to purchase a beach detector and would appreciate some advice on what seasoned hunters are using successfully.

I spent several very frustrating hours at the beach with my Whites V3i in salt & beach mode and literally found nothing.

I'd be interested in a midrange price detector say about $500 or so. I will be searching the waterline and sand, I'm not going diving.

Thanks in advance.

Bart

Vegas take this as just my opinion. But if you have that D2 coil, so far i'm not as impressed with it as other coil options for beach hunting. I tried the D2 on my DFX and switched back to my SEF. Still need to get me a 6x10 eclipse that is v rated. Have the 4x6 on its way.Main thing is try not to get frustrated with the V3i. Most of us have more than one beach machine. The V3i will find its place in your arsenal. You might want to find a used sovereign gt. Later if you want to venture in the water you can put the controls in a waterproof housing. And if you run across lots of iron the small coil works really well.
 
There will be lots of opinions just like detectors. Most on this forum use the Sovereign GT for wet sand hunting with the Excalibur and the CZ 21 for water hunting. I have and use all 3 and any of them are excellent choices. To get in the $500. price range, you will have to be looking on the used market.

I am currently hunting Myrtle Beach, the iron in the wet sand here is UNREAL....not a good place to use a PI machine, an iron cancelling machine is a must on this beach.

I have a friend in Hawaii that uses his v3i for dry sand hunting a loves it. He also uses the 10x12 SEF coil and says the depth is unbelievable. He did purchase a CTX for wet sand but that is a little overboard for me, but he is detector nut. :grin:
 
The best advise would be a machine within his budget. Don't ya think? Having said that, a used sovereign GT would be in your budget and the best wet/dry sand salt machine.
 
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The best advise would be a machine within his budget. Don't ya think? Having said that, a used sovereign GT would be in your budget and the best wet/dry sand salt machine.

I may be wrong? But I don't think you can find any new sovereign gt's any more. I'm using my clad to buy a back up one before they are rare as hens teeth. Plus having two rechargeable batteries doesn't sound too bad either:yes:
 
I may be wrong? But I don't think you can find any new sovereign gt's any more. I'm using my clad to buy a back up one before they are rare as hens teeth. Plus having two rechargeable batteries doesn't sound too bad either:yes:

Some dealers still have them....
 
Nox 600

100 bucks more , it will do the job, happy hunting. However i would go with the 800 being you will want the nugget prospecting setting in Vegas !
 
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