1st Hunt with Sand Shark

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It's really a shame what has happened in the last couple of years on the forums. A few years back we NEVER had detector or scoop wars. Everybody shared equipment ideas and tried to benefit from others experiences. Now we have a few people that are going to cram "their" detectors or scoops down your throat no matter what your beach conditions or physical limitations are. Those doing the loudest "opinion" shouting, have some of least amount of water hunting experience. What a shame, I sure miss the "good old days" of metal detecting and forum discussions.

I have explained this same change to my friends regarding many different hobby related forums that I have been active on since the late 90's. I don't even post on most of them anymore, there are so many 'experts' that like to pick your post apart and tell you how wrong you are, and how right they are. Just like you stated, these are usually forum post 'repeaters' that have little first hand experience themselves. BTW I am not making that accusation towards any one here, this is still by far the friendliest forum that I frequent. :grin:
 
Wow-you guys really go at it!! I've been reading this forum for a while and haven't seen this hot back and forth before. I'm hesitant to say I asked for opinions a while ago re a water machine and just got a cz21, Still trying to dial it in and get used to it. Don't seem to be getting too many target here on MV beaches-just some clad in the dry sand. everyone should just calm down.
 
:popcorn: Took a look at mine and looks and feels like some sort of glue or epoxy. Oh well. If it fails got a pretty good warranty to get it fixed. Maybe the "over 99 detector" guy can chime in.:D
 
Is it because "Crumble is part of Craig's little hit group that it is OK for him to call me "ignorant," and a "Liar?"

If I tried that who here thinks I would not get a scolding and have my post "fixed?"

Oh, and "Crumble," the Sand Shark WILL find anything the Infinium/Duel Field/TDI will find - at half the price! :laughing:


I have no hit group Terry... you are your own worst enemy... you create most of the drama here... you have history of posting outlandish claims all over the net which you cannot back up... all one has to do is google your name and see who you have tangled with... UKBrian, Reg, CarlNC to name a few...

You are without a doubt a master at bloviating....

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?85,1749858,1749858#msg-1749858

Plenty more where that came from...
 
This may send shock waves through the detectosphere but I've been amazed by the depth of my 8" SS. I'm 3 scoops down to a nickel. My gut tells me we're all comparing apples to oranges here in that your terrain is what dictates which detector works best. There is no one size fits all remedy here guys.

What's in your tool box?
 
This may send shock waves through the detectosphere but I've been amazed by the depth of my 8" SS. I'm 3 scoops down to a nickel. My gut tells me we're all comparing apples to oranges here in that your terrain is what dictates which detector works best. There is no one size fits all remedy here guys.

What's in your tool box?


sockets, wrenches, screwdrivers and a few more things :laughing:
 
Aqua..... the difference between a VLF and PI is coil size may make a difference to sensitivity and depth on a VLF, but on a PI the size of the coil only affects how much ground you cover. So you should get great depth even with the small coil. Ive not doubt Aqua for the price you cant beat the SS for what you are looking for rings.

Terry i certainly dont have the experience you have on a PI.... but now you have to explain to me then the difference between having a 15uS and a 24uS machine? Doesnt that affect what you find, especially the ability to find smaller targets. Also doesnt the delay allows less coil shut down during send and receive?

Dew
 
Well I just got back from second hunt and targets were few and far between. Cannot believe how sanded in it is. Maybe it will be better this holiday weekend. Ended up with about a dollar in clad and a few bobby pins. All fresh drops and nothing deep.
 
Aqua..... the difference between a VLF and PI is coil size may make a difference to sensitivity and depth on a VLF, but on a PI the size of the coil only affects how much ground you cover. So you should get great depth even with the small coil.

Dew

...and that's excatly what I get with the SS...in deep/clean sand.
 
Aqua..... the difference between a VLF and PI is coil size may make a difference to sensitivity and depth on a VLF, but on a PI the size of the coil only affects how much ground you cover. So you should get great depth even with the small coil. Ive not doubt Aqua for the price you cant beat the SS for what you are looking for rings.

Terry i certainly dont have the experience you have on a PI.... but now you have to explain to me then the difference between having a 15uS and a 24uS machine? Doesnt that affect what you find, especially the ability to find smaller targets. Also doesnt the delay allows less coil shut down during send and receive?

Dew

The difference between 15usec (Dual Field) and 20usec (Sand Shark) is so small that all it really does is maximize the smoothness of the threshold and response IN saltwater. After five feet of depth, 15usec starts to become unstable, like 10usec on wet sand. That is why you can hear the waves going by with a Dual Field in chest-deep water. As far as finding small and deep gold, the difference is so small between the two settings as to be moot, just isn't a factor unless you are a marketing and sales guy..
 
The difference between 15usec (Dual Field) and 20usec (Sand Shark) is so small that all it really does is maximize the smoothness of the threshold and response IN saltwater. After five feet of depth, 15usec starts to become unstable, like 10usec on wet sand. That is why you can hear the waves going by with a Dual Field in chest-deep water. As far as finding small and deep gold, the difference is so small between the two settings as to be moot, just isn't a factor unless you are a marketing and sales guy..

Must have missed my question!:hide:
 
I have no hit group Terry... you are your own worst enemy... you create most of the drama here... you have history of posting outlandish claims all over the net which you cannot back up... all one has to do is google your name and see who you have tangled with... UKBrian, Reg, CarlNC to name a few...

You are without a doubt a master at bloviating....

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?85,1749858,1749858#msg-1749858

Plenty more where that came from...

I loved that! "UK Brian" makes stuff up all the time when he can't back up his "Facts." I tell you what though, I Love this "quote" so much I think I'll post it here as well:

"Eric Foster machines are fussy little things for fussy little people. I've used them and given them straight back. They chatter and spout like an angry mother-in-law."

Some of you just can't accept that metal detecting is NOT rocket science - especially beach detecting. It only takes a person with an average I.Q. a few hours on the headphones to figure it out. The most important factor in metal detecting is NOT the machine or technology, it is the LOCATION.

In fact 99-percent of the time, you never need to get below 8" deep to find "the good stuff." Anybody that has been doing this for 35+ years (as I have), and has used every major brand, knows full well there are no secrets or special tricks. You just need a solid machine built to find what you are looking for, and time on the headphones swinging and learning your machine's language.

Eric Foster is a respected engineer and designer, but he is not a God. He knows a lot more about electronics than I do, but I am willing to bet I have a lot more hours on the headphones actually finding treasure than he does. If you like Eric Foster machines - great! Go get yourself another one.

My opinions are my opinions - everyone else is more that welcome to theirs. Take my advice, or toss it in the bin - I really don't care. But if you want to be a success when it comes to metal detecting, all you need to do is find a GOOD location and hunt it with just about ANY machine. I think of the English guy that just found the gold coin hoard with his Garrett Ace 150. ;)
 
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I loved that! "UK Brian" makes stuff up all the time when he can't back up his "Facts." I tell you what though, I Love this "quote" so much I think I'll post it here as well:

"Eric Foster machines are fussy little things for fussy little people. I've used them and given them straight back. They chatter and spout like an angry mother-in-law."

Some of you just can't accept that metal detecting is NOT rocket science - especially beach detecting. It only takes a person with an average I.Q. a few hours on the headphones to figure it out. The most important factor in metal detecting is NOT the machine or technology, it is the LOCATION.

In fact 99-percent of the time, you never need to get below 8" deep to find "the good stuff." Anybody that has been doing this for 35+ years (as I have), and has used every major brand, knows full well their are no secrets or special tricks. You just need a solid machine built to find what you are looking for, and time on the headphones swinging and learning your machine's language.

Eric Foster is a repected engineer and designer, but he is not a God. He knows a lot more about electronics than I do, but I am willing to bet I have a lot more hours on the headphones actually finding treasure that he does. If you like Eric Foster machines - great! Go get yourself another one.

My opinions are my opinions - everyone else is more that welcome to theirs. Take my advice, or toss it in the bin. I really don't care. But if you want to be a success when it comes to metal detecting, all you need to do is find a GOOD location and hunt it with just about ANY machine. I think of the English guy that just found the gold coin hoard with his Garrett Ace 150. ;)

That attitude is why you are posting gold pics from 3 years ago:roll:
 
The difference between 15usec (Dual Field) and 20usec (Sand Shark) is so small that all it really does is maximize the smoothness of the threshold and response IN saltwater. ...

The difference between 15µs and 20µs is 33.33%. Not insignificant in terms of linear time, but the signal strength (including the signal from the background mineralization) decays exponentially with time.

If the machine can run stably at 15µs (and it depends on the mineralization), the difference between 15µs and 22µs is very significant.
 
Isn't it curious that it is always the same few people that want to argue with me, or call me a liar or imbecile - including Rudy and Craig? If you go back through EVERY attack thread, it is always the SAME members which you can count on less than ten-fingers - out of THOUSANDS of forum members. I really feel sorrier for them than any other emotion. Must be very lonely to have such a small group of back patters.

Well, at least I get some free entertainment out of it.. :laughing:
 
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