1800's rifle in the pock!

[DirtyNeckJesse]

Sweeeeeeeet!

 

[porschephile]

Amazing find!!

Super congrats!!

 

[HEAVYMETALNUT]

cool find.you gonna restore it?

 

[DimeS]

Wow that's a great find! Let us know the details of it.

 

[mosteve]

Way Cool!!! Maybe order a new stock and forearm from Navy Arms or Dixie Gun Works and restore that for over the fireplace

 

[robby4570]

DO NOT RESTORE IT in any way!!!

That looks more like a Remington Rolling Block than a NAVY ARMS. Why do you think it's a Navy Arms rifle? Maybe I missed it if you said it had Navy stamped in it anywhere. Here is a pic of a Remington with a saddle ring...

If indeed it is a Navy Arms rifle then it is a modern firearm from sometime after the 1950's (Navy was founded in the 1950's). If it is a Remington, it could date back to around the mid to late 1800's and would be safe ONLY with Black Powder cartridges, regardless, I'd hang it on a wall as is and NEVER try to restore or fire it.

That may be truly a part of history and is a great find... CONGRATS!!!

 

[Longhair]

As a former gun store owner, I'm with Robby...DON'T RESTORE IT! It will seriously cripple any value that it may have.

I'd personally love to find an 1868 Remington in that kind of condition, but around here a dug one would be noting but a lump of rust. I've owned two functioning originals over the years, and I wish that I still had my Navy model 50-70 Carbine.

Anyway....Great score! Now don't wreck it!

 

[Bonesquat]

He could still add a stock without ruining it right??? That thing would be awesome if it at least looked like a full rifle with the rust.

 

[Bigpoppa]

Absolutely AWESOME find !!

CONGRATS on a wonderful piece of history recovered..

 

[robby4570]

He could still add a stock without ruining it right??? That thing would be awesome if it at least looked like a full rifle with the rust.

Anything he does that removes rust - like even cleaning it - will ruin the value. Adding a stock may also damage the value because it is no longer original. Believe it or not, some collectors prefer it just like it is. I did not own a gunstore like Longhair but I worked in one in Albuquerque NM for many years and have a good friend who still owns one there to this day. I doubt that the "life or death" fight aspect of this gun is there though, usually if someone was killed in the West, everything they had was taken, especially firearms. Although I would like to know the story on this rifle!

 

[rcptuna]

Great Find.

Great find. What a sweet relic...congrats!!

 

[gunsil]

If it was made by Navy Arms it is newer than around 1965-70. Still a cool find!!

 

[ThommyParham]

It can be restored

That Remington Rolling Block can be restored. I've restored guns in worse shape. Probably not a great idea to shoot it, but if you had the correct black powder cartridge, you could shoot it. Congrats on the great find!

 

[michael1964]

Me and a buddy of mine decided to try our luck at a long abandoned mine in Arizona last weekend. We split up and each went our own way. I found 2 Carhartt heart coverall buttons but he totally out did me when he came walking up the hill carrying this rifle. We have managed to kind of ID it as a Navy Arms 45-70 rolling block rifle. There are really no marks other than "476" stamped into the octagon barrel. We think this rifle is from the mid to late 1800's. It was just lying there about 4" in the dirt. He found it with his Tesoro Lobo. The hammer is pulled back like it was dropped during a re-load. There were high tensions in the area between the indians and miners in the day and we wonder if the owner died while fighting with it. It's been there for a real long time for the wood stock to decompose, if anybody has any information on this rifle it would be greatly appreciated. What a find.....

wow great find , get your self a stock and you have a great wall hanger

 

[pspapa]

that is a 1896 or 1897 remington number 5. dont do anything it is worth more just like it is, unless you plan on doing a several thousand dollar restoration and keeping it. It is worth more like it is.

 

[Longhair]

That Remington Rolling Block can be restored. I've restored guns in worse shape.

Just because you can, doesn't mean that you should.
Unlike some markets, guns are best left un-restored. Restored guns are considered "re-manufactured" by collectors, and as such are worth nothing more than any reproduction.

If the bore isn't in any worse shape than the exterior, I'd investigate a replacement hammer spring (the pic shows it's broken), and I'd be loading my own black powder cartridges for it in a heartbeat.

 

[TECTONATOR]

Why is this not in the Eye Popping, Mind Blowing Finds section and/or a featured thread (yet)? Amazing find! Congrats!
The only thing different I would do is change the thread title... "Pock"...UGH!

 

[MoBob]

An awesome find , congrats.

 

[robby4570]

Just because you can, doesn't mean that you should.
Unlike some markets, guns are best left un-restored. Restored guns are considered "re-manufactured" by collectors, and as such are worth nothing more than any reproduction.

X2

 

[TedS]

Thanks for all the information. It may be a Remington. I attached some more pictures of the numbers on the barrel. There is a 476 and then 46 CTCE also stamped in the barrel. One thing that may identify the gun is it has a "shield" stamped in the hammer as well.