1663 Cut Cob! (possible ID)

[Iron_Patch]

A friend of mine and I have put our heads together on this, and I'll post because if we don't have it, I feel we are very close.... and it's good news, because it's originally what you wanted, only a little more interesting.

I now think it is a cut piece of an 8 Reales cob, only in addition to that, it's countermarked with a 600 Brazilian or Portuguese stamp as seen in the picture I'm attaching to this message. What threw me off from the start was all the dots, but now what I believe they are is the beaded edge of the cob, and it's double struck. That's why there is a set of three on the side.

I was pretty sure it would be an interesting coin, and that it certainly is.

 

[DirtyRob]

A friend of mine and I have put our heads together on this, and I'll post because if we don't have it, I feel we are very close.... and it's good news, because it's originally what you wanted, only a little more interesting.

I now think it is a cut piece of an 8 Reales cob, only in addition to that, it's countermarked with a 600 Brazilian or Portuguese stamp as seen in the picture I'm attaching to this message. What threw me off from the start was all the dots, but now what I believe they are is the beaded edge of the cob, and it's double struck. That's why there is two sets of three.

I was pretty sure it would be an interesting coin, and that it certainly is.

Awesome ID!

 

[matmit]

That sure is incredible!
The two "zeroes" did not look quite right to me, as far as a date goes.
What year do you think it could be?

 

[Iron_Patch]

That sure is incredible!
The two "zeroes" did not look quite right to me, as far as a date goes.
What year do you think it could be?

Not sure if anyone would be able to date the cob as there's not much to go on, but when a coin is countermarked generally the emphasis is on that. In this case my friend just sent me a message saying the 600 mark likely dropped it to a value of 7.5 Reales, so what this clearly tells us is it was stamped as a full coin, and then cut later on.

So looks like it was countermarked and circulated as a Brazil 600 Reis, until it made it to North America, or was cut.

 

[SueK]

Amazing! Interesting history and a great find!

 

[matmit]

Thanks IP

Would it be safe to say then, that it is a 1600's coin, used in Brazil in the 1700's?

http://coins.ha.com/itm/brazil/worl...ounterstamped-coinage-of-1663-/a/3006-20278.s

 

[matmit]

Here is one I found on an auction site that is quite close to yours!

 

[Iron_Patch]

Thanks IP

Would it be safe to say then, that it is a 1600's coin, used in Brazil in the 1700's?

http://coins.ha.com/itm/brazil/worl...ounterstamped-coinage-of-1663-/a/3006-20278.s

Could be 1600s or early 1700s, and would guess it circulated in Brazil in the late 1700s.... but that's something you likely can find on google.

 

[Iron_Patch]

Here is one I found on an auction site that is quite close to yours!

I think that is a Portugal one as it has the crown as part of the countermark. The Brazil does not.

 

[matmit]

Thanks IP!
How do you only have 56 posts?
And where is that crazy avatar with you in the "superhero" outfit?

 

[Iron_Patch]

Thanks IP!
How do you only have 56 posts?
And where is that crazy avatar with you in the "superhero" outfit?

My other computer crashed and option to reset my password didn't work. I've recently been contacted to fix it, just haven't got around to it yet.

 

[MV-AtPro]

Thanks IP couldn't be happier This coin has a story to tell for sure. Thanks everyone for your help its going to be hard to beat this one. Not a bad way to start the year!

 

[AIRFORCEMIKE]

Thanks IP couldn't be happier This coin has a story to tell for sure. Thanks everyone for your help its going to be hard to beat this one. Not a bad way to start the year!

I'll tell ya I spent more time on that then I put in a full day at work. I was pretty close to it till IP found it and thank god!!! Someone give me my Saturday back.lol great find

 

[401K]

Nice find!!!! been looking in my ... Standard catalog of world coins Spain,Portugal and the new world.... coin book and havent been able to ID it yet. There were only a few spanish ruled countries in the west that made coins in the 1600s and I cannot find a match. I will put some more time in this eve and hopefully I can help. lots of looking real close. Still an awesome find. HH 401K

 

[gunsil]

Good going Wolfie!! I agree with the others that the numbers are not date related. Give me a call, I'd love to hear the whole story!!

 

[401K]

think the patch hit it spot on. Thinking this is your 1663 coin,the year they used the 600 mark. marked it in the red circle

 

[MV-AtPro]

Wow! 401k thank you for your time and energy. I have been studying the photo and the coin under a loop and I think you nailed it! All of the "dots" line up and from the very beginning my friend said he thought he saw a faint 5. So nice to have a time frame! Still relishing this sweet fine thanks everyone on here for helping me figure this one out! HH and dig it all

 

[DirtyRob]

Cool find and lots of new information for us coin nerds.

 

[pvtcook]

Great job.

 

[401K]

Wow! 401k thank you for your time and energy. I have been studying the photo and the coin under a loop and I think you nailed it! All of the "dots" line up and from the very beginning my friend said he thought he saw a faint 5. So nice to have a time frame! Still relishing this sweet fine thanks everyone on here for helping me figure this one out! HH and dig it all

Glad to help! I was awed at how close the post have been without this kind of info. Great job. What really nails it is the rows of bumps because those are not as common being like that as the other more common coins unlike that plus a few straight runs in the places I didn't see elsewhere. A hole lot of them to look at not sure if I missed something. I dug a few in 40 years but I'd melt mine down compared to that awesome find. Follow the trail and I hope you find more. HH 401K
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