Not quite sure how to take this

On second thought, send them modern trash too. Tell them you don't have their knowledge as to what is over fifty years old, but you're sure some might be. Tell them you are trying to help and they can sort it out themselves and that you will send more as soon as you find it.

Yeah, if I got an email like that I'd be fixing up a little box full of artifacts for Stephanie to study at least every week. I mean, I'm not an archaeologist like Stephanie, and it would be a shame if something of historical significance were forever lost because I failed to surrender it to the state in my ineptitude. It's best to let Stephanie decide what's of value and what isn't, since she's taken this responsibility onto herself anyway. It would be a huge weight off of my shoulders knowing that potentially priceless artifacts are in such good hands.
 
Not Even VA is that strict!
I just dig around and I've had cops and guards just smile and wave.
someone needs to put this stuck up prick in her place.
Someone should contact her boss if theres any way to do that.
They think they have all the power in the world...
They say state law, It may be, but they cant do anything about it!!
How about they do something worth it and go bust up some gangs and druggies!!!
GAHHHHH!! K, done venting. Ty. :D
 
Some people have nothing better to do than harrass harmless people doing what they love. You should tell her you collect pull tabs.
 
I live down near Seattle and the rules are WAAAAYYYY too strict!! I've detected only three or four locations because I'm scared that a cop will come and give me a big fine!

I'm sorry, but this is just a opinion rant.
 
Check this out..

If I understand this Historical Act right...

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...archaeoligical resorce pertains to pottery, basketry, bottles, weapons, weapon
projectiles, tools, structures or portions of structures, pit
houses, rock paintings, rock carvings, intaglios, graves,
human skeletal materials, or any portion or piece of any of
the foregoing items. Nonfossilized and fossilized paleontological
specimens, or any portion or piece thereof, shall not
be considered archaeological resources, under the regulations
under this paragraph, unless found in an archaeological
context.

According to section 3 (1) it would seem to me that they are even saying that only the items listed above are protected IF they are over 100 years old.

I see no mention of coins or jewelry. So you cannot take a ring off of a civil war corpse, but if you find civil war gold ring by itself, no problemo.

http://www.nps.gov/history/local-law...hRsrcsProt.pdf
 
Ridiculous. She can't tell you what you can do on someones private yard, such BS. I would shrug it off. Reply courteously, but still go about your business.

I would NOT reply. They will have your email address, ie Identity

right now they only have an anonymous cl posting.

But sending a bunch of trash (older then 50 years) you found on TOP of the ground sounds like a good thing to do. it will help them do more of their job.
 
Simple. Do not reply to it. You are requesting permission to detect personal property. Those laws and government outreach stop on the property line.

Further. I like your method. However. You have attracted the attention of some nitwit whose job it is to make sure you don't get to hunt. Be very careful about your replys...if any at all now.

Step one. Use a public computer [with no id or cameras for access].
Step two. Use a no name email address [do not login from your pc ever].
Step three. Ask lots of questions before a meeting and request property pics.
Step four. Always lie about your look make an model of vehicle before meetings.
Step five. back out of a meeting you are suspicious.


One could argue that your breaking the law if you detect some ones property. But the same person speeds to work every day. Who doesn't mistakenly go 1 mph over the limit. Law is also open to interpretation. There are no laws against metal detecting. However, some ordinances are based on bans on "excavating or digging" for archeological or historic reasons. Home owners have rights to alter their property. Technically, they are barred from gardening with the above interpretation.

Define digging, define excavation. Last time I checked digging was using a shovel to remove soil [more then a shovel full or two]. Excavation...well that takes an excavator....pc300. Turing soil over with a garden tool does not qualify.

Chances are...some one IS TRYING TO ID you. I would stop all replys and just go by word of mouth for a while.

Thats MHO. Good luck and HH. -Joe




So, i have been posting adds of craigslist to get permission to detect peoples property. i have gotten several hits, but today i got an email that im not quite sure how to take. anyways. what are your thoughts. i almost feel like i have been scolded.

Here is the craigslist add

I am lookin for new spots to use my metal detector. I prefer yards or lots, and will remove all trash I uncover. I am mainly interested in older coins and tokens. Almost every yard or grass strip holds coins and relics that are just waiting to be found. I don't leave holes and will leave all sites in as found or better condition. So if you have a lot or yard older than the 1950's and don't mind, I would love the privilege to metal detect your place. This is purely my hobby. I will answer all emails. I prefer the Bellingham/Everson area but will travel if my schedule permits. Thanks for lookin!


Here is the email i got today

Greetings,

We recently noticed your advertisement on Craigslist. Though we have not heard from you directly, as the state agency tasked with protecting archaeological sites and resources for the inspiration and enrichment of the citizens of Washington, we felt it would be productive to contact you directly.


It is our understanding that you are interested in metal detecting lots or yards over 50 years old to find coins, tokens, or relics. Items over 50 years old, produced or modified by humans, below the surface of the ground and submerged under water, are archaeological objects. Archaeological objects, and archaeological sites and resources, are protected resources under state statutes.

In addition, per RCW 27.53.060, a permit is required for any person to knowingly and willfully remove, alter, dig into, excavate or remove an archaeological object or site in the state of Washington.

This statute applies to both public and private lands. Even with landowner permission, a permit from DAHP is required. The permit processes requires a research design, a plan for care and cleaning of the recovered objects, the commitment to write a professional, technical report, and appropriate curation of the artifacts and data recovered. The permit process also requires DAHP to afford interested parties an opportunity to comment on the proposed excavation project, prior to its commencement. These parties typically include affected Indian Tribes, local government, historical societies, landowners, and archaeological peers. Permit application forms are available on our website at http://www.dahp.wa.gov/pages/Archaeology/Permitting.htm.

Failure to obtain such a permit, or failure to comply with any permit conditions, can result in civil penalties in an amount up to $5000 per violation, restoration costs and investigative costs. Furthermore, if burials, cairns, or glyptic records are involved, RCW 27.44 allows the affected Indian Tribe to file claims for damages and emotional distress.

Excavation permits are granted to professional archaeologists who meet the requirements of that definition under RCW 27.53.030(8). While we understand metal detecting is your hobby, much damage has been done to the state’s archaeological resources by hobbyists.

There are legal ways to experience the excitement of discovery of our historic past. The Forest Service operates a program entitled “Passport in Time.” This program affords volunteers the opportunity to participate in real archaeological excavations with professional archaeologists. This includes historic period sites as well as prehistoric. The website link is: http://www.passportintime.com/.

There are some Washington State Parks that are open to metal detecting. Please see the following link for more information: http://www.parks.wa.gov/activities/

Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any questions about the content of this letter. You can find additional information about archaeology in Washington, as well as the laws regarding archaeological excavations on our website at www.dahp.wa.gov.

Sincerely,



Stephenie Kramer
Assistant State Archaeologist
(360) 586-3083
[email protected]
 
Just tell her you thank you for the information and that you didn't realize that. Change your post from "1950's" to "the older the better." Then when you get a hit off of craigslist just go detect it. Then you aren't "knowingly" detecting a property 50 years or older.

I've had similar types of situations with DNR. I ALWAYS buy a panfish license, but I can't help it if a catfish or a bass takes the bait! They know that.

Same principal applies to your situation except you specifically asked for a site at least 60 years old. Change that and have at it! Then you don't know if you're finding 20 year old coins or 1000 year old coins. It's a gamble but that's how I'd handle it.
 
I've had similar types of situations with DNR. I ALWAYS buy a panfish license, but I can't help it if a catfish or a bass takes the bait! They know that.

Off topic, but are you talking about? You buy a fishing license for everything but trout and salmon, and those cost more.. Panfish license.. heard it all now lol.
 
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:oldguy: Get used to it, guys. For a long time, now, the government has been, and will continue to, intrude into the daily lives of the citizenry. For many reasons they feel it incumbent upon themselves to direct our lives in as many was as they possibly can. Incrementalism is the process used by which they slowly and quietly creep into our lives...little by little until they are controlling everything! We are like the frog in the pot of water... :tiphat:

On the other hand...life is good!:crackup:
 
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sounds like she was on a power trip.Some people just cant handle authority,I would like to meet the guy that messed her up.
 
OK

It seems to me that the laws pointed to and cited by the State website pertain to lands or areas that have been declared as historical or archaeological sites by the State.

The other section pertaining to "thirty years" pertains, it seems to me, to sites designated as historical that have been abandoned but are on State lands.

It doesn't sound like anything found that is thirty years older or more on someone's private property or even in a State park is effected unless it is on an abandoned tract of land that is under State ownership.

http://www.parks.wa.gov/publications...20brochure.pdf

This link takes you to the brochure and please note that coins in circulation are exempt from the entire statute. In the United States, all coins are legal tender and even if they are old are still considered coins in circulation. Even silver coins are legal tender and can circulate freely for face value, although we know that the silver value is what we are interested in.

The brochure printed by the State of WA clearly states what is being protected. Historical artifacts.
 
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