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Ctx 3030 vs. Racer 2

Without an actual side by side performance comparison, the only thing this thread has accomplished is a bias war, lol. They are definitely in 2 different classes though.


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itsaring! said:
Issue with the CTX gasket is guys let the sand stick and it leaks. Problem with Makro is they don't know how to design their own stuff. You see who they stole the design from including Bounty hunter. Here is a Bounty hunter/Minelab. Can you see it? Lol! http://www.ebay.com/itm/MAKRO-CF-77...145259?hash=item4d419acaab:g:C2wAAMXQWzNSojEU
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You stated earlier on that every detector has issues when released -

What were the issues with the Makro CF77? (now that you bring the CF77 to the table)

Do you not think Makro handled their Racer coil issue well given their explanation?

The issues with the CTX were not and are not limited to just the leaking 'O' Ring now were they?

From what I have heard also is that the CF77 goes deeper on coins than an Etrac, which to me being a novice and all, is a darn good effort considering it was Makro's first hobby coin detector - Even to an untrained eye, this was a positive time for things to come and they have certainly proved that you don't have to be in this industry for 66 year to make a detector with issues -

The mark of any great company is how well they fix the issues and facts speak for themselves, yet again -
 
Jason in Enid said:
blah blah blah, "I've never used it, but I know everthing I need to know" :roll:

I just LOVE how these threads always bring out the haters! Peopler who never touched a detector but know everything about. Personally, I think if you don't swing a detector, shut up about it. There are lots of great detectors on the market and they all have their strengths and weaknesses (some have more than others) but none are perfect for every location and hunt type.
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its just an opinion man - you are the one on a hate rant -

I don't need to use one to know that one has issues - when the issues are ironed out then I may just buy one - does that NOT make sense to you Jason?

better to invest less money at the beginning and get at least a company that fixes issues quickly should they occur and when your dream issue free little CTX is all ready to go issue free, then buy one -

See I didn't need to swing either as my decision is not based on the detectors abilities but more so on the companies ability - Understand now?
 
eSCANZ said:
You stated earlier on that every detector has issues when released -

What were the issues with the Makro CF77? (now that you bring the CF77 to the table)

Do you not think Makro handled their Racer coil issue well given their explanation?

The issues with the CTX were not and are not limited to just the leaking 'O' Ring now were they?

From what I have heard also is that the CF77 goes deeper on coins than an Etrac, which to me being a novice and all, is a darn good effort considering it was Makro's first hobby coin detector - Even to an untrained eye, this was a positive time for things to come and they have certainly proved that you don't have to be in this industry for 66 year to make a detector with issues -

The mark of any great company is how well they fix the issues and facts speak for themselves, yet again -
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"From what I have heard also is that the CF77 goes deeper on coins than an Etrac"

There you go again speaking of a unit that you have not used or owned. How about I say that the E Trac goes deper than the CF77? Does that make it a draw then? Who is right me or the other guy? Why?
I give my attention to the reviews put out by the guys that are out there using the machines and getting the results or not getting the results. That is where it counts. The ability to read is nice but the ability to read between the lines is much more useful.
 
eSCANZ said:
its just an opinion man - you are the one on a hate rant -

I don't need to use one to know that one has issues - when the issues are ironed out then I may just buy one - does that NOT make sense to you Jason?

better to invest less money at the beginning and get at least a company that fixes issues quickly should they occur and when your dream issue free little CTX is all ready to go issue free, then buy one -

See I didn't need to swing either as my decision is not based on the detectors abilities but more so on the companies ability - Understand now?
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You are basing your entire concepts off of hear-say and rumor. Or do you have access to Minelab's internal reporting and know exactly what percentage of detector have experienced the need for warranty repair?

Just because you see some people have problems with one of the most popular detectors on the market, you think the entire line is faulty? Thats pure garbage. Just because you aren't reading "I have zero problems" from thousands of people who never had an issue you think those people don't exist. Here's a little bit of fact for you. Only a few percent of the metal detector users EVER log in to a detecting forum. All you see here, is a tiny percentage of problems from a tiny percentage of people who use them.
 
I think the percentages of detectorist a using metal detecting forums overall has grown vs in the past,,but I certainly don't know the actual percentages,,,and I don't think anyone else does either.

Trends can be seen though I feel with certain brands/models detectors. But a person does need to try and keep what they read in perspective.

The CTX certainly isn't a popular detector,,,,I would venture a guess At Pro sales dwarf it many times over.

And the Ace series detectors,,, many, many more of them sold vs any of the FBS/fbs2 minelabs.

And bounty hunters,,,a whole bunch of them sold too.

Now if we want to talk specifically high dollar or flagship detectors,,,then the etrac and CTX I' m sure would at least get worthy mention when it comes to units sold.

Personally a better title for a thread such as this,,,would be,,, what can detector A do for me that detector B won't,,, based on your experiences.

Then each detector would be layed out here,,their strengths and weaknesses, as well as similarities.

The X vs Y kind a thread-- folks get lost in the weeds,, the folks who are reading these threads,,, need to be able to make heads or tails out of what is being said.

Everything we put here on the forum,,, just remember you are just not talking to who you are responding too,,, actually many, many more folks,,,do read what you post.
 
I think most everything made these days, are sent out to the consumer, with minimal testing, minimal quality controls. Think some of the quality issues are even known before hand. Everyone gets over paid these days, too many people dipping into the cookie jar (unions, government, investors, lawyers). The need to keep the retail price low, or risk foreign competition sinking the ship. A large percentage of consumers won't take advantage of warranty repair, either fix it themselves, or pass it on to someone else, throw it in the trash. Just a pain, going through most customer service these days, outsourced to some foreign country, never ending transfers and hold, repeating your description of the problem. The cost of employees to check for quality issues, compared to replacing a fraction of total sales... Think in many cases, it's more profitable, to deal after the sale. Not just talking about metal detectors, just manufacturing in general.

I've seen the release of quite a few new machines. A lot of hype, excited people, anxious to be the first to swing that new machine, in hopes there is some sort of magic in that box. Unfortunately, there is no magic, you still have to learn the machine, still have to get out, and swing the coil around, and worst part, you still have to dig plugs, fill them in nicely. Pretty much the same, as any other machine. Blame it all on some minor flaw or oversight, that slipped out of the factory, disappointment needs to be vented. Unhappy people vent the loudest, and most frequent. Fortunately, we only have a handful of unhappy people on this forum...
 
eSCANZ said:
You stated earlier on that every detector has issues when released -

What were the issues with the Makro CF77? (now that you bring the CF77 to the table)

Do you not think Makro handled their Racer coil issue well given their explanation?

The issues with the CTX were not and are not limited to just the leaking 'O' Ring now were they?

From what I have heard also is that the CF77 goes deeper on coins than an Etrac, which to me being a novice and all, is a darn good effort considering it was Makro's first hobby coin detector - Even to an untrained eye, this was a positive time for things to come and they have certainly proved that you don't have to be in this industry for 66 year to make a detector with issues -

The mark of any great company is how well they fix the issues and facts speak for themselves, yet again -
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the CF77 stole the design of the Minelab GPX 5000. I don't have the clams to buy the two to see how many flaws the CF77 has compared to the GPX. By now there is likely 100 to 1 ratio of CTX's to racers out there. Put 100 racers up against one CTX and see where the odds go on failures. Plus a large portion of CTX's run salt beaches 100% of the time several times a week. You'd be throwing a racer in the trash when they saw how rotten it was when you send it in for repair and void your warranty.
 
itsaring! said:
the CF77 stole the design of the Minelab GPX 5000. I don't have the clams to buy the two to see how many flaws the CF77 has compared to the GPX. By now there is likely 100 to 1 ratio of CTX's to racers out there. Put 100 racers up against one CTX and see where the odds go on failures. Plus a large portion of CTX's run salt beaches 100% of the time several times a week. You'd be throwing a racer in the trash when they saw how rotten it was when you send it in for repair and void your warranty.
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There are probably 50 to 1 etrac to CTXs??? How would I or you know??
But etrac been released a lot longer than CTX.

CTX has been released for how long??? A lot longer than either Racer 1 or Racer 2.
I urge you to read my post above.
CTX is not a top selling detector numbers wise vs some other models.
It cost too much.
Now there are probably many folks wishing they could have one.-- if you want to call that saying the detector is popular,,then OK.

Do you ever think Lincolns or Cadillacs or corvettes are ever top sellers number wise vs cheaper autos?? I hope not.
 
What are you basing the detector's popularity on???

Because a lot of folks want one

Because of sales numbers???

Because you have one and like it

The etrac is more popular than CTX the way I see it.
At Pro is as well.
Ace 250 probably is as well.

Hard really to say,,, does any manufacturers really release sales numbers on an annual basis per model detector???

Don't sell the Racer series short--- give it a bit more time,,,I'm already seeing a trend on metal detecting forums that suggest folks ears are more perked,,and folks are buying them too.

I would also say more Xp Deus units sold vs CTX.
 
tnsharpshooter said:
What are you basing the detector's popularity on???

Because a lot of folks want one

Because of sales numbers???

Because you have one and like it

The etrac is more popular than CTX the way I see it.
At Pro is as well.
Ace 250 probably is as well.

Hard really to say,,, does any manufacturers really release sales numbers on an annual basis per model detector???

Don't sell the Racer series short--- give it a bit more time,,,I'm already seeing a trend on metal detecting forums that suggest folks ears are more perked,,and folks are buying them too.

I would also say more Xp Deus units sold vs CTX.
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Dude you have no clue.
 
All I know is when I won some money on the lottery I thought between the atx and ctx....it was close but the ctx won out, I already have an atp so it was which machine is the best all rounder, covering surf, river, relic, beach, gold, silver, soil types in America, north and south, east and west, high mineralisation and high trash, England and all its types of soil, Europe too....only NE really fit all that as I'm not planning on scuba diving so....ctx it was.
 
I think you are underestimating just how many CTX 3030 have been sold. I belong to quite a few forums as well as detecting groups and I see the sales of the CTX taking leaps and bounds over other units, yes, even the Deus. It seems that ever other poswt is" My CTX will be here tomorrow" or " Just pulled the trigger on a new CTX".
Now the AT Pro might sell more units but that is at 1/4 the price of the CTX.
I have went to 2 group hunts recently and there were ALOT of CTx's there, almost as many as AT Pros. Heck TNSS, you have bought 2 of them, I own 2 and also know a few guys that have 2 so someone must like them LOL!
 
I don't know how many of which model is sold.

Lot of Deus units sold too,,especially to the 65 years old plus crowd.

Here is one way to maybe judge how many,,not scientific,,but may give a hint,,
Look at fm forum,,under the different sub forums,,granted some sub forums have model series grouped.

And release date needs to be considered.

Look at how many threads/ posts.

But even this looking here,, might be skewed,, I mean would it be reasonable to think,,someone say 65 years or older would be less inclined to use Internet or detecting forums???

And saying this is certainly not to demean this age group or their intelligence.

Maybe someone here should start a thread with a survey,,to see whohere has one and actually other units as well.

Would be interesting to see the results.

I like this forum.

Like most of the folks who post here too.
 
choppadude said:
I think you are underestimating just how many CTX 3030 have been sold. I belong to quite a few forums as well as detecting groups and I see the sales of the CTX taking leaps and bounds over other units, yes, even the Deus. It seems that ever other poswt is" My CTX will be here tomorrow" or " Just pulled the trigger on a new CTX".
Now the AT Pro might sell more units but that is at 1/4 the price of the CTX.
I have went to 2 group hunts recently and there were ALOT of CTx's there, almost as many as AT Pros. Heck TNSS, you have bought 2 of them, I own 2 and also know a few guys that have 2 so someone must like them LOL!
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If you actually know a lot of detecting people you'll also know that there are a lot of people who own them and don't mention it. Especially the beach section. Some own two CTX's or two Excaliburs for example in case one goes down. Doubt you'll see many buy two racers in case one needs to go in for repair. :lol:
 
itsaring! said:
If you actually know a lot of detecting people you'll also know that there are a lot of people who own them and don't mention it. Especially the beach section. Some own two CTX's or two Excaliburs for example in case one goes down. Doubt you'll see many buy two racers in case one needs to go in for repair. :lol:
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Well,, folks who are able to beach hunt,,,and find more gold jewelry,,,I would expect these folks to be more able to .generally own more expensive detectors,,
Since the y can finance their investments moreso with finds.

And the nugget hunters using the higher dollar PI units,,the same.

But not all detecting or detectorists live close to a beach or a place where gold nuggets even exist or are plentiful.

If you go to a DIV hunt in Va,,and look what folks are using,,you'd think Minelab GPX are very popular in the USA,,, but are they really???

A person can get tunnel vision if they are not careful here.

And take the interior areas of Florida,, soil is mild,, sink rate is huge,,I hear CTX is not the deepest of units in this scenario,,so other units when chasing deeper finds are better in this case.
 
tnsharpshooter said:
Well,, folks who are able to beach hunt,,,and find more gold jewelry,,,I would expect these folks to be more able to .generally own more expensive detectors,,
Since the y can finance their investments moreso with finds.

And the nugget hunters using the higher dollar PI units,,the same.

But not all detecting or detectorists live close to a beach or a place where gold nuggets even exist or are plentiful.

If you go to a DIV hunt in Va,,and look what folks are using,,you'd think Minelab GPX are very popular in the USA,,, but are they really???

A person can get tunnel vision if they are not careful here.
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You can also wind up buying a Prius if you like commercials. I prefer V 8's that can do 140 MPH if I need to:lol:
 
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