mountain digger
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Because we're nice people who have common sense.
High School field parking lot & baseball coach
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Because we're nice people who have common sense.
mountain digger
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No common sense has nothing to do with it.
You're arguement about signs going up due to people asking are thinner than my skin right now on this subject. QUOTE]
Common sense has everything to do with it.
Not sure what you mean with this statement: "You're arguement about signs going up due to people asking are thinner than my skin right now on this subject."
If you're saying you have a bit of thin skin on this subject because you're actively involved in the groundskeeping at your ballpark, you'll get no argument from me.
And for your question: If push came to shove....Whos got more "rights" to that baseball field? You or the team that just showed up to practice on it? Point blank, answer that for me.
Common sense says it the baseball team.
Gotta ask Uptown: are you OK?
FUN VICTORY This saturday
I was doing a small town tour just crusing and looking for cool spots to hunt. I like to just go for a cruse and when I see a spot stop and swing. I spot the baseball field that is away from the school by a mile and I know it is school property. There are a few high school players having practice and I pull into the lot. I already have pouch and knee pads on I just have to hop out and grab the magic MXT wand and start swinging.
I dug my first plug and I Look and there he is with his baseball bat, THE COACH!
DO YOU HAVE PERMISSION he says. I look up and say I did not call the school. NOW mind you im on the outter fringe of the gravel parking lot, just barely in the dirt with a 4 in diam hole 5 in deep and a clean plug. I proceed to say I fill in all my holes I take all trash like this nail and screw i have in my pouch.
HE got all puffed up and started in with well this is school property and he is responsable for it blah bla blah. When he paused I simply said well this is public school and public property.
THAT blew him out of the water he just clutched his little baseball bat and walked off. I stayed and hunted for about 30 min
ent toooo shea !!!! CHEERS
Included the original post, since the thread got off track...
Does the OP seem like a nice person, with common sense? Sees a baseball team practicing, decides it's the perfect setting to have a little fun. Wouldn't common sense tell him, that the coach would be a little upset seeing him digging holes? Good chance of a confrontation? How is provoking a confrontation, being a good ambassador to the hobby, or even a good idea in general?
The OP only started the thread, bragging, but hasn't returned...
rick-n-ns
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Yeah "victory" if he likes looking fo a confrontation, he got what he was looking for. When the black and white sign goes up stating no MDing, won't be much of a victory.
Tom_in_CA
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Correct, they are called "baseball fields" (or football or soccer or whatever), NOT "metal detecting" fields. So by that I'm guessing your point then, is that therefore since baseball or soccer or whatever is their intended purpose, then .... logically, .... we should not be or think we can metal detect there. Afterall, as you say, they're not called "metal detecting fields".
Then that just begs another question: Can you tell us ANY field where the designated use was "metal detecting" ? I don't think I've ever encountered any park or beach or campground or school yard etc... who had a set-aside designated "metal detecting" zone. Maybe it's just me though. If you know of such a field, let us know.
And as for ethics that you mentioned: when I'm done detecting, I cover my marks, to the point that I'm leaving no traces. To me that fulfills the ethics needed.
mountain digger
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OK Harv, let's break your post down to it's components.
Does the OP seem like a nice person, with common sense? I don't know the OP personally, but your inference seems to ignore his statement "NOW mind you im on the outter fringe of the gravel parking lot, just barely in the dirt". Common sense tells me he was thinking he was OK to MD on the outer fringe of the parking lot until the "few team members practicing" perhaps finished up? Not being there, I cannot give you a definitive answer to this question.
Sees a baseball team practicing, decides it's the perfect setting to have a little fun. Wouldn't common sense tell him, that the coach would be a little upset seeing him digging holes? Good chance of a confrontation? I don't know how far the ballfield is from the parking lot, so again about the only response I can give is that you can't know from his statement that he didn't try to avoid confrontation by MDing on the fringe of the parking lot. You seem to assume the worst, I like to think the best.
How is provoking a confrontation, being a good ambassador to the hobby, or even a good idea in general? I can only say that DELIBERATELY provoking any confrontation is never a good idea. But, I don't know that happened here, and I don't see how you can possibly know it, in fact, did happen here. Remember the thread about the Soccer Coach...I do.
The OP only started the thread, bragging, but hasn't returned It's a fact that the OP has not returned to add comment. For you to add the word "bragging" to your comment is just your personal way to bully the OP into not returning. IMO, it's just Harv's way to discourage all posters that don't agree with Harv's agenda to 'always ask permission'. Hey, I agree the OP was boastful ... but you go straight to the assumption he was in the wrong. We've had the discussion about 'assumptions', haven't we?
I'm not here because the OP was right or wrong, I don't know all the facts. I'm here posting only because MY OPINION IS THIS: The more you ask for permission to MD ANY PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY, THE MORE LIKELY IT IS THAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE BANNED. When you push your 'always ask' agenda with bully tactics and character attacks, I'm going to be here to push back.
Geez, another personal attack... I even quoted the entire first post to this thread, and you still didn't, but focused your attention on what I wrote. Simply read the first line, and the last line of his post, can you see how proud he was?
My opinion is this: Showing and interest in a harmless recreational activity, that actually does some good in most areas (removing sharp, hazardous trash), which most people don't have a problem with, is a good thing. Talking to people, asking question, being responsible isn't going to produce a negative response. People learn new things everyday, and usually enjoy the experience.
Now, you never, ever, dig holes, so you should never have any issue swinging that coil around, unless you are a little careless, break a few kneecaps
The OP hung out another 30 minutes, like maybe waiting for practice to end, so he could hit center field...
My opinion is this: Showing and interest in a harmless recreational activity, that actually does some good in most areas (removing sharp, hazardous trash), which most people don't have a problem with, is a good thing. Talking to people, asking question, being responsible isn't going to produce a negative response. People learn new things everyday, and usually enjoy the experience.
Now, you never, ever, dig holes, so you should never have any issue swinging that coil around, unless you are a little careless, break a few kneecaps
The OP hung out another 30 minutes, like maybe waiting for practice to end, so he could hit center field...
ohiochris
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Are we done yet ?Its easy , and tempting to get caught up in these exchanges but in the long run we are all gonna do what we feel is right or appropriate. I dont see that there was any harm done.
notdapolice
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Hahaha, sh its funny! I enjoy reading the forum FUNNIES. Well written Harvey and Uptown.... Hahaha
mountain digger
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Of course I focused my attention on you Harv, after all...you also quoted me
."Break a few kneecaps"
. Yes Harv, you are learning and I'm proud of you. What for, you might ask. Well, at least you let people know the statement was your opinion and not your normal 'absolute factual data according to Harv'."The OP hung out another 30 minutes, like maybe waiting for practice to end, so he could hit center field". You got the first part right but the rest is just another ASSumption by ol' Harv.
Harv and Uptown, care to debate 'If it's illegal, it's not legal ... and if it's legal, it's not illegal'? I'd start a thread but it's certainly been discussed enough, don't you agree. I'm thinking other forum members would prefer not to rehash this permission thing again...but hey, whatever floats Harv's boat. Could even do a survey... but for what purpose.
To repeat where I'm coming from: IMO: The more you ask for permission to MD ANY PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY, THE MORE LIKELY IT IS THAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE BANNED.
mountain digger
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Uptown, you are missing the point here. Common sense would dictate that anyone with common sense would use common sense to not MD "when the kids show up to play". It's not that difficult.
Edited to add another point: Not everyone in this world has common sense IMO, so yes, someone will no doubt accept your challenge.
mountain digger
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Guess we'll leave that up to Uptown and Harv.
mountain digger
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Feel free to start the thread. I'm not about to. Might consider this as the title: What part of 'If it's legal...it's not illegal' don't you understand.
notdapolice
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I dont know if you already know this but I DONT ASK PERMISSION for any PUBLIC park or ball field i want to hunt(my town or not). Detecting 2 years, first year by myself, second year with a good friend of mine who has been doing it for 3 years. Still no signs guys what gives......? Been doing your little "challenge" for 2 years now Uptown...... Why would i want to keep detecting as baseballs fly past my head, wheres your SMARTS at Uptown. Any one with SMARTS knows that players have more of a RIGHT to the fields than the we MDers(it is the only spot they have to play unlike us MDERS), hints why the smart ppl go ahead and move on to another part of the park(we think of others). I have posted my RESULTS many times after hunting ball fields Uptown. None of my post have had the outcome you wish they did, sorry still no signs. Try to stay in the fast lane next time a emergency vehicle has it lights on, How about that dumb a s s challenge. What a GOOFY you are uptown tell MICKEY MOUSE i said "Whats up my ninja".
P.S. I played middle school football and was picked for the high school team before my freshmen year even started, COACH! You know what they say, "those who cant play, coach!"
notdapolice
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Hahaha
notdapolice
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What ever you say COACH! hahaha
Tom_in_CA
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Doesn't sound very "ninja-like" to me, haha . Sure , if any of us makes a nuisance of themselves like that, then yes: a sign will go up. But think of it: SO TOO would "signs go up " for an md'r doing that , who "had permission" to metal detect . So I really don't understand this challenge as proving anything.
Uptown did make one good point about the sign at the swimming pool though.
I have hunted in over 50 parks in and around my city, but last year I was out with another forum member and we found a beautiful old park which had a sign something like "for town residents only".
Gotta admit that is the only one I have ever seen.
BTW-we "non-residents" metal detected it for over 3 hours and plucked 3-4 silvers and about 20 wheats
I would go back in a heartbeat.
Can you imagine a cop asking someone for their ID to see whether or not they lived in a particular town and were therefore AUTHORIZED to use that park???
I have hunted in over 50 parks in and around my city, but last year I was out with another forum member and we found a beautiful old park which had a sign something like "for town residents only".
Gotta admit that is the only one I have ever seen.
BTW-we "non-residents" metal detected it for over 3 hours and plucked 3-4 silvers and about 20 wheats
I would go back in a heartbeat.
Can you imagine a cop asking someone for their ID to see whether or not they lived in a particular town and were therefore AUTHORIZED to use that park???
mountain digger
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All yours. I've read enough in here to know that your side would win in a land slide, and will also be the first to not take any responsibility when the signs going up, but blame it on the smaller percentage that would or do ask permission. More common sense out the window.
I just hope the 1.87 haul per trip is worth it with that occasional crusty wheat penny thrown in.
I have another example I just thought of.... Ever notice how at a city pool it will say for that's cities residents only? You know why? Because tax payers don't like paying for pools so that the next town over can come P!ss in it. I'm sure at some point, people who ran the town that owned the pool figured there was enough common sense to NOT swim in a pool that you don't pay for, or that signs had to put in place to pick up dog !!!! because common sense never showed up at that party either. I feel bad for you if you're holding to common sense in todays age. That shipped sailed long ago.
Sorry Uptown, I just can't follow your logic.
First, yes...as I've repeated many times, I blame many 'bans on MDing' to be the end result of too many MDer's asking if it's OK to MD. Obviously, this is why I'm concerned when someone states "I would have approached you and asked nicely that you NOT put your lesche in the field" and "I can promise you if I go to MY towns baseball field tomorrow, found a plug or two cut, THERE SURE AS HE!! WOULD BE A BRAND NEW SHINEY SIGN." If nothing else, I hope you can see where I'm coming from.
Secondly, I don't know any MDer's personally that MDs for 'any amount of money'. To me, when something becomes 'about money', just makes it work. In my free time, I prefer to relax and swing the MD, maybe share some time with another MDer buddy, and enjoy life.
And, as for signs at swimming pools not allowing non-taxpayers, never seen one. I certainly would question the appropriateness (and possibly legality) of such an ordinance so I would do a little research to see if this is a codified ordinance or just some 'overzealous authorities personal agenda'. Take notice that I said I'd do some research, I did not say I'd ask for permission for my out of town guests to use the pool. Gotta say, when I first read this...I actually thought you might say out of towners could have COOTIES, but I have seen the signs that read 'Notice: THERE IS NO P IN OUR OOL' or something like that. Maybe the sign should read "NO OUT-OF-TOWNERS WELCOME IN OUR WATER". Sorry, I just can't understand this analogy to MDing on Public Property.
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