who is ground balancing with the nox?

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Just curious. I put a good bit of time in on my 800 this summer but now that its colder out ive been tinkering and im curious if people are ground balancing or just leaving it as is after firing the machine up and taking off. Also for those with a lot of time on it, have you noticed if it has made any noticeable difference?
 
Last few hunts Ive been ground balancing mine. Actually it seemed to quiet it down a bit.

To double check, I'll put it in tracking and compare to my manual pumping result, pretty close.

I realize Minelab says GB of 0 is good in most cases, but I prefer a machine that is tuned.
 
I do, every time.
I just have the mind frame that ground balancing won't ever hurt you but it always has the possibility to help.
I got in the habit of doing this with a few other detectors and always took 5 seconds out of my busy life to do it even in great soil.
In great soil it's effects might be minimal but why give up even the tiniest edge?
In my bad mineralized dirt it might only have a slight impact but even that can be the difference between success and failure on the deepest, oldest targets.


Not ground balancing for me would be like proposing to your best girl and NOT bringing a ring...

Like walking by Cinnabon in the mall and NOT buying a yummy pastry...

Like entering Romulan territory and NOT raising shields.

It just don't happen.
 
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I do, every time.
I just have the mind frame that ground balancing won't ever hurt you but it always has those possibility to help.
I got in the habit of doing this with a few other detectors and always took 5 seconds out of my busy life to do it even in great soil.
In great soil it's effects might be minimal but why give up even the tiniest edge?
In my bad mineralized dirt it might only have a slight impact but even that can be the difference between success and failure on the deepest, oldest targets.


Not ground balancing for me would be like proposing to your best girl and NOT bringing a ring...

Like walking by Cinnabon in the mall and NOT buying a yummy pastry...

Like entering Romulan territory and NOT raising shields.

It just don't happen.

OH Digger.. Your analogy's are CLASSIC :laughing:
 
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Thanks for the video TNSS. This is a good topic and an overlooked one. I always thought it was odd Minelab was ok to keep GB at 0.

Minelab quote " The default Ground Balance setting of 0 is
recommended for Park, Field and Beach Modes
because these locations typically have less
mineralisation than goldfields".

I tend to disagree with that. I think you can get more out of your NOX in target clarity, cleaner background interference, and overall integrity by keeping it tuned to the ground you're sweeping over. (manual GB).
 
Thanks for the video TNSS. This is a good topic and an overlooked one. I always thought it was odd Minelab was ok to keep GB at 0.

Minelab quote " The default Ground Balance setting of 0 is
recommended for Park, Field and Beach Modes
because these locations typically have less
mineralisation than goldfields".

I tend to disagree with that. I think you can get more out of your NOX in target clarity, cleaner background interference, and overall integrity by keeping it tuned to the ground you're sweeping over. (manual GB).

You are welcome.
I will do another short video in my soil on a DEEP nickel and maybe a deep gold ring. Like 12” deep. It is here where proper GB really shows itself.

Folks may get tired of my vids.
I’ll try to keep them geared toward info and learning.
Folks watching Calabash’s videos may get the wrong idea depending on their soil mineralization.
 
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I always GB. Several times during the outing. If I am in Park 1, 5 tones, I find it best to go first into 50 tones as to find a really clean spot of ground to GB either for either 5 or 50 tones. Overall, I finds it helps with quieting down the noise/sounds and may improve in depth performance too.
 
I always GB.
Minelabs idea of what a "park" setting is,
may be totally different from what yours or mine are like. Besides .. the tool is there to use. If the tool wasn't needed, it wouldn't be there.
 
I would never ground balance but just set it on zero. This was the advised setting but after the last month I have tried to change that and do the pumping, with most times ending up around 18 or sometimes close to 50. If I start to get some noise, I will GB and noise cancel again. I have been having better luck this way.
 
Forgive me as a Newbie to the Equinox.. but I just have it set for Traking Ground Balance..

Doesn't this not always keep it Ground Balanced?

A very good question.

The short answer is maybe or maybe not. Seems it may depend on your ground minerals.
Equinox series doesn’t track in my soil like Xp Deus all coils (LF & HF) -need tomspecify here Deus versions 2.0 and 3.xx and versions 4.xx and 5.xx with ground sensitivity levels dialed to 10, Nokta Impact, Makro Racer Series, Nokta Relic, etc.

Equinox is slow as molasses.

I posted this on another forum for testing done on Nov 3 2018.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> More Equinox data.
> On another forum the detector’s ground tracking ci
> rcuit was mentioned.
> I had made some comments about this early on when
> my Equinox arrived.
> So I will share some data here.
> This particular data here is using the small 6” co
> il.
> I will do 11”stocker to make sure there are no lar
> ge differences.
> Anyway Equinox tracking circuit SLOW compared to s
> ome other detectors.
>
> For my testing over clean ground (area) I obtained
> a pumping ground balance using Nox using park 2 an
> d multi freq. Speed 6 iron bias 0. Even did a no
> ise cancel.
> I intentionally dialed GB 10 points high. Ground
> read 38 so dialed to 48 manually, Turned tracking
> on and started the stop watch.
> Sweeps were speed wise a rate a medium speed with
> coil close to ground just like if Inwere detecting
> .
> It took Equinox a full 6 minutes and 30 seconds to
> finally track to a ground reading of 38.
>
> I got curious and went to same settings above exce
> pt 15 kHz single freq ops. Again dialed GB to 48
> turned on tracking and started the stop watch,
> Seemed Equinox beat the tracking time here vs usin
> g Multi by approximately 2 minutes around 4 minute
> s and 30 seconds.
>
> So what about Deus and the new X35 9” coil?
> I did the same experiment above as I did with Equi
> nox and small coil.
> Deus would track to actual ground phase in under 4
> seconds.
> I even dialed Deus 20 points over actual ground se
> tting and detector was tracked to actual ground in
> under 6 seconds.
>
> What about Nokta Anfibio while wearing 7”concentri
> c coil?
> Maybe Dilek won’t fire me. Lol
> It acts very Deus like.
> Doing the same experiment Anfbio wastes no time tr
> acking to actual ground phase.
> With detector dialed 10 points high it would track
> in while sweeping in less than 4 seconds.
> I disn’t try dialing it 20 points high as I was ve
> ry satisfied.
>
> I am wondering why is Equinox so slow.
>
> As a side note , I even dialed Equinox 10 points o
> ver and tried pumping coil up and down to see if
> it would speed tracking up some.
> I didn’t see anything based on my tests that indic
> ates it helps at all.
> I also dialed Equinox just 2 points high and timed
> it. After one full minute of constant sweeping th
> e detector still hadn’t tracked to actual ground r
> eading achieved when sweeping coil.
>
> Thought I would share.

My advice is to always GB (pumping) even if you plan to use tracking GB, especially if you are using prospecting modes. And keep abreast of your GB while detecting and do a pumping GB every now and then.
 
A very good question.

The short answer is maybe or maybe not. Seems it may depend on your ground minerals.
Equinox series doesn’t track in my soil like Xp Deus all coils (LF & HF), Nokta Impact, etc.

Equinox is slow as molasses.

I posted this on another forum for testing done on Nov 3 2018.

tnsharpshooter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> More Equinox data.
> On another forum the detector’s ground tracking ci
> rcuit was mentioned.
> I had made some comments about this early on when
> my Equinox arrived.
> So I will share some data here.
> This particular data here is using the small 6” co
> il.
> I will do 11”stocker to make sure there are no lar
> ge differences.
> Anyway Equinox tracking circuit SLOW compared to s
> ome other detectors.
>
> For my testing over clean ground (area) I obtained
> a pumping ground balance using Nox using park 2 an
> d multi freq. Speed 6 iron bias 0. Even did a no
> ise cancel.
> I intentionally dialed GB 10 points high. Ground
> read 38 so dialed to 48 manually, Turned tracking
> on and started the stop watch.
> Sweeps were speed wise a rate a medium speed with
> coil close to ground just like if Inwere detecting
> .
> It took Equinox a full 6 minutes and 30 seconds to
> finally track to a ground reading of 38.
>
> I got curious and went to same settings above exce
> pt 15 kHz single freq ops. Again dialed GB to 48
> turned on tracking and started the stop watch,
> Seemed Equinox beat the tracking time here vs usin
> g Multi by approximately 2 minutes around 4 minute
> s and 30 seconds.
>
> So what about Deus and the new X35 9” coil?
> I did the same experiment above as I did with Equi
> nox and small coil.
> Deus would track to actual ground phase in under 4
> seconds.
> I even dialed Deus 20 points over actual ground se
> tting and detector was tracked to actual ground in
> under 6 seconds.
>
> What about Nokta Anfibio while wearing 7”concentri
> c coil?
> Maybe Dilek won’t fire me. Lol
> It acts very Deus like.
> Doing the same experiment Anfbio wastes no time tr
> acking to actual ground phase.
> With detector dialed 10 points high it would track
> in while sweeping in less than 4 seconds.
> I disn’t try dialing it 20 points high as I was ve
> ry satisfied.
>
> I am wondering why is Equinox so slow.
>
> As a side note , I even dialed Equinox 10 points o
> ver and tried pumping coil up and down to see if
> it would speed tracking up some.
> I didn’t see anything based on my tests that indic
> ates it helps at all.
> I also dialed Equinox just 2 points high and timed
> it. After one full minute of constant sweeping th
> e detector still hadn’t tracked to actual ground r
> eading achieved when sweeping coil.
>
> Thought I would share.

Interesting..

I think you may be correct..
for Instance.. This past weekend I went to a local lake. When I hit the "beach area", My unit was sporadic as all heck jumping around all in the Iron numbers. I had Ground tracking on and just figured the ground was full of Iron.

As I moved down towards the water about 5 minutes later it mysteriously calmed down, and I figured that since if is just past summer time and the Lake is LOW as far as water level goes, for whatever reason there was less Iron mineralization going on.

On the way back off of the beach I expected it start fitting again at a certain point but it didn't.. it acted normal.

So all that said.. now that you mention this in your last post the possibility is I came off of the grass with one number auto tracked.. hit the beach and the soil was so different it didn't automatically GB right away. but after a 5 min or so lull, it did.

I will for sure have to remember that one.
 
excellent response from you guys! thanks for those videos. That pretty much sums it up for me then. No clue why minelab suggested to us not to ground balance
 
Here is video I did this morning.
This is my first you tube video btw so go easy on me. Lol
My ground in vid is medium mineralized, a lot better than digger027’s ground generally.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cFl22k-bGXY&feature=youtu.be

Another vid, resolution not as good as the one above.
But the sound is what counts.

This time changing GB and sweeping a quarter.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7yL_P8tGhhg

Sensitivty at 24 in both vids above.

Helpful video. Thanks.
 
I have been GBing. How many of you are turning auto tracking off? If you had it off you could check the GB every so often to insure it's optimum and not worry if the AutoBalance is correct or slow.
 
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