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Old 11-25-2021, 03:31 PM
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So what you are saying, is every company that makes metal detectors should make anyway one detector that has terrible ID numbers and also is hindered by EMI interference.

Just what we all need a detector that sits in the corner because it only works in a very few areas.

There use to be good detectors with multi frequencies, lately they have gotten worse.
You mean you aren't going to buy a Deus 2, Makro Legend or an Equinox?
You must have a multi Frequency already as in Ctx,E trac , Sovereign, Excalibur?

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Old 11-25-2021, 11:10 PM
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Keep your eye on Garrett. They have time, they have $$$ for R&D, are made in North America and have been around for a very long time.

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*Coin Hunter BFO
*Cache Hunter BFO
*Treasure Hunter BFO
Master Hunter TR (controls on side, made with push button)
Money Hunter TR
Relic Hunter BFO (no push button or toggle switch)
Money Hunter BFO (no push button or toggle switch)
Coin Hunter TR (TR discriminator on side with push button)
Cache Hunter TR (TR discriminator on side w/push button)
Relic Hunter TR (TR discriminator on side w/push button)
Ghostown Hunter TR (no push button)
1976
*BFO models: Controls on side, no push button or toggle switch at the end of handle:
*Master Hunter BFO
The Coin Hunter VLF/TR (controls on side, push button)
1977
*BFO models: Controls on side, no push button or toggle switch at the end of handle:
*Master Hunter BFO
*Coin Hunter BFO
Money Hunter TR: (w/push button)
Money Hunter BFO (no push button or toggle switch)
Coin Hunter TR (TR discriminator on side with push button)
The Coin Hunter VLF/TR (controls on side, push button)
The Coin Hunter VLF/TR featherweight series (controls on top, push button, groundhog on coil)
Master Hunter VLF/TR (controls on side, push button, deepseeker on coil)
Master Hunter VLF/TR featherweight series (controls on top, push button, groundhog on coil)
Fortune Hunter TR (controls on side, push button)
1978
*BFO models: Controls on side, no push button or toggle switch at the end of handle:
*Master Hunter BFO
The Coin Hunter VLF/TR (controls on side, push button)
The Coin Hunter VLF/TR featherweight series (controls on top, push button, groundhog on coil)
Master Hunter VLF/TR (controls on side, push button, deepseeker on coil)
Master Hunter VLF/TR featherweight series (controls on top, push button, groundhog on coil)
Fortune Hunter TR (controls on top, push button)
Money Hunter VLF/TR (controls on top, push button, groundhog on coil)
1979
Master Hunter ADS (VLF/TR deepseeker control on side, toggle switch)
Coin Hunter ADS (VLF/TR deepseeker-contols on side, toggle switch)
Marksman P.B. (VLF/TR deepseeker-controls on side, push button)
Master Hunter ADS (VLF/TR Groundhog controls on top, toggle switch)
Coin Hunter ADS (VLF/TR Groundhog-controls on top, toggle switch)
Fortune Hunter P.B.(VLF/TR Groundhog-controls on top, push button)
Money Hunter P.B. (VLF/TR Groundhog-controls on top, push button)
International TR S2 (controls on top, push button)
Treasure Hunter BFO (controls on side, no push button)
1980
Master Hunter ADS (VLF/TR deepseeker control on side, toggle switch)
Coin Hunter ADS (VLF/TR deepseeker-contols on side, toggle switch)
Marksman P.B. (VLF/TR deepseeker-controls on side, push button)
Master Hunter ADS (VLF/TR Groundhog controls on top, toggle switch)
Coin Hunter ADS (VLF/TR Groundhog-controls on top, toggle switch)
Fortune Hunter P.B.(VLF/TR Groundhog-controls on top, push button)
Money Hunter P.B. (VLF/TR Groundhog-controls on top, push button)
International TR S2 (controls on top, push button)
Master Hunter BFO (controls on side, no push button)
Garrett BFO (controls on side, no push button)
1981
Master Hunter ADS (VLF/TR deepseeker control on side, toggle switch)
Marksman P.B. (VLF/TR deepseeker-controls on side, push button)
Master Hunter ADS (VLF/TR Groundhog controls on top, toggle switch)
Fortune Hunter P.B.(VLF/TR Groundhog-controls on top, push button)
Money Hunter P.B. (VLF/TR Groundhog-controls on top, push button)
American TR S2 (controls on top, push button)
Sea Hunter
1982
Master Hunter BFO (controls on side, no push button)
Sea Hunter
Master Hunter ADS III (VLF/TR Deepseeker-controls on side, toggle switch)
Master Hunter ADS II (VLF/TR Deepseeker-controls on side, toggle switch)
Master Hunter ADS I (VLF/TR Deepseeker-controls on side, toggle switch)
Master Hunter ADS I (VLF/TR Groundhog-controls on top, toggle switch)
Gold Hunter A2B (groundhog on coil, controls on top, toggle switch)
American S4 ADS (groundhog on coil, controls on top, toggle switch)
American S3 (VLF/TR, groundhog on coil, controls on top, push button)
American TR S1 (deep scan on coil, controls on top, push button)
Pocket Scanner
1983
Sea Hunter
Master Hunter ADS III (VLF/TR Deepseeker-controls on side, toggle switch)
Master Hunter ADS II (VLF/TR Deepseeker-controls on side, toggle switch)
Master Hunter ADS I (VLF/TR Deepseeker-controls on side, toggle switch)
Master Hunter ADS I (VLF/TR Groundhog-controls on top, toggle switch)
American S4 ADS (groundhog on coil, controls on top, toggle switch)
American S3 (VLF/TR, groundhog on coil, controls on top, push button)
American TR S1 (deep scan on coil, controls on top, push button)
Pocket Scanner
1984
Sea Hunter
Master Hunter ADS 7 (controls on side, toggle switch)
Master Hunter ADS 6 (controls on side, toggle switch)
Master Hunter ADS 5 (controls on side, toggle switch)
Master Hunter ADS 4 (controls on side, toggle switch)
American AM-2 (controls on top, toggle switch)
American AM-1 (controls on top, push button)
Freedom 1 Coin Commander
Freedom 2 Coin Commander
1985
Sea Hunter
Master Hunter ADS 7 (controls on side, toggle switch)
Master Hunter ADS 6 (controls on side, toggle switch)
Master Hunter ADS 5 (controls on side, toggle switch)
Master Hunter ADS 4 (controls on side, toggle switch)
Freedom 1 Coin Commander
Freedom 2 Coin Commander
Freedom Ace Coin Commander
Gold Hunter (controls on top, toggle switch)
1986
Master Hunter ADS 7 (controls on side, toggle switch)
Master Hunter ADS 5 (controls on side, toggle switch)
American AM-2 (controls on top, toggle switch)
Freedom 1 Coin Commander
Freedom 2 Coin Commander
Freedom Ace Coin Commander
Gold Hunter (controls on top, toggle switch)
Beach Hunter AT3
Sea Hunter XL 500 Pulse
Sea Hunter XL 200 Pulse
1988
Master Hunter ADS 5 (controls on side, toggle switch)
Sea Hunter XL 500 Pulse
Grand Master Hunter
Freedom 3 CDC
Freedom 1 CDC
Beach Hunter AT4
Gold Hunter A3B
1989
Master Hunter ADS 7 (controls on side, toggle switch)
Master Hunter ADS 5 (controls on side, toggle switch)
Sea Hunter XL 500 Pulse
Freedom 3 CDC
Beach Hunter AT4
Gold Hunter A3B
Grand Master Hunter II
Freedom 3
Freedom 1
1990
Sea Hunter XL 500 Pulse
Beach Hunter AT4
Grand Master Hunter CX II
Master Hunter CX
Master Hunter 7X
Freedom 3 Plus
Freedom 2 Plus
Freedom Ace Plus
Scorpion Gold Stinger
1991
Sea Hunter XL 500 Pulse
Beach Hunter AT4
Grand Master Hunter CX II
Master Hunter CX
Master Hunter 7X
Freedom 2 Plus
Freedom Ace Plus
Scorpion Gold Stinger
Ultra GTA 1000
Ultra GTA 500
Pocket Probe
1992
Sea Hunter XL 500 Pulse
Grand Master Hunter CX II
Master Hunter CX
Freedom 2 Plus
Freedom Ace Plus
Scorpion Gold Stinger
Ultra GTA 1000
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Master Hunter CX III
1993
Sea Hunter XL 500 Pulse
Grand Master Hunter CX II
Master Hunter CX
Freedom 2 Plus
Freedom Ace Plus
Scorpion Gold Stinger
Ultra GTA 1000
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Master Hunter CX III
1994
Sea Hunter XL 500 Pulse
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Master Hunter CX
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Freedom Ace Plus
Scorpion Gold Stinger
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1995
Sea Hunter XL 500 Pulse
Grand Master Hunter CX II
Master Hunter CX
Ultra GTA 350
Freedom Ace Plus
Scorpion Gold Stinger
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Master Hunter CX III
1996
Sea Hunter XL 500 Pulse
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Master Hunter CX
Freedom 2 Plus
Scorpion Gold Stinger
Master Hunter CX III
GTAX 1000
GTAX 500
GTAX 400
1997
Sea Hunter XL 500 Pulse
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Master Hunter CX
Freedom 2 Plus
Scorpion Gold Stinger
Master Hunter CX III
GTAX 1000
GTAX 500
GTAX 400
GTI 2000
Treasure Ace 100
Treasure Ace 200
Treasure Ace 300
1998
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GTAX 1000
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GTI 2000
Treasure Ace 100
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GTI 1500
Pocket Probe
1999
Scorpion Gold Stinger
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GTAX 400
Treasure Ace 100
Treasure Ace 200
Treasure Ace 300
GTI 1500
Pocket Probe
GTI 2500
GTAX 550
GTAX 1250
GTAX 750
Sea Hunter Mark II
2000
Master Hunter CX Plus
Scorpion Gold Stinger
Master Hunter CX III
GTAX 400
Treasure Ace 100
Treasure Ace 200
Treasure Ace 300
GTI 1500
Pocket Probe
GTI 2500
GTAX 550
GTAX 1250
GTAX 750
Sea Hunter Mark II
2001
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Scorpion Gold Stinger
GTAX 400
Treasure Ace 100
Treasure Ace 200
Treasure Ace 300
GTI 1500
GTI 2500
GTAX 550
GTAX 1250
GTAX 750
Sea Hunter Mark II
2002
Master Hunter CX Plus
Scorpion Gold Stinger
GTAX 400
Treasure Ace 100
Treasure Ace 300
GTI 1500
GTI 2500
GTAX 550
GTAX 1250
GTAX 750
Sea Hunter Mark II
2003
Master Hunter CX Plus
Scorpion Gold Stinger
GTAX 400
Treasure Ace 100
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Treasure Ace 300
GTI 1500
GTI 2500
GTAX 550
GTAX 1250
GTAX 750
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2004
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Scorpion Gold Stinger
GTAX 400
Treasure Ace 100
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GTI 1500
GTI 2500
GTAX 550
GTAX 1250
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GTP 1350
2005
Master Hunter CX Plus
Scorpion Gold Stinger
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GTI 2500
GTAX 550
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Infinium LS
GTP 1350
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Ace 250
2006
Master Hunter CX Plus
Scorpion Gold Stinger
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GTAX 550
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Old 11-26-2021, 03:46 PM
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I honestly don't know what to expect from Garrett. I'd be surprised if they cancel or lower the price of their AT series, just doesn't seem their style - if they delete anything from their lineup I think it will be some, but not all, of the Ace series detectors - probably thin that mess down to just three or so including the Ace Apex. I think the logical next detector for them is probably an AT series multi freq, yeah. Probably called something like the "AT Climax" and just be a waterproof Ace Apex with the AT series proportional audio and few other bits and bobs the Apex didn't quite have. I wouldn't expect great things from it, if they even do make one. Garrett, if you study their recent stuff, have a habit of recycling things. (Ace 150/250/350 got "upgraded" to the Ace 200/300/400, AT Pro was basically an improved Ace series detector, which then got further upgraded into the AT Max) They don't really reinvent a whole lot with each new thing they make, and they're really afraid of obsoleting their own stuff - they came out with a multi-frequency Ace instead of firmly obsoleting the AT series, if you remember.

If they make a new multi-frequency detector, here's what I'd expect from it:

- It will cost more than the AT Max. Garrett won't want to completely eliminate sales of their other stuff, so they'll do what they've historically done: make new and improved stuff more expensive but leave the old thing around as a "budget option". Probably around $900-$1000 for the new machine, regardless of if it's good enough to deserve such a price.

- It will perform objectively better than an AT Max, but not by much, and probably won't be very competitive with other companies' detectors. Garrett doesn't seem to terribly care about what other companies are doing, and just seem to do their own thing, none of their recent detectors have felt very strongly like "answers" for other brands' machines. The closest they come is just taking what people like about other brands and then not doing it as well. Likely this new detector would only be an improvement in relation to other Garrett detectors.

- It likely will be rechargeable and updateable, and have a very similar slimmer appearance to the Ace Apex. Garrett did all those improvements on the Ace Apex so you can bet they're going to reuse all that development.

- Possibly, they'll take some more cues from other companies (like they did with the Apex having updates and such) and make a detector with more settings and adjustment, but I wouldn't count on it. Garrett likes simple, easy to use detectors, and honestly seems to be more interested in making beginner's detectors than anything else, so while they might make a more configurable machine, it would be a little out of their norm to go all out. Likely they'd just add one or two details of other recent detectors and then brag about them like those concepts are novel and cool.


That's basically what I'd expect them to do, which is completely different from what I'd want them to do. I'd want them to wipe out every Ace other than the Apex, downprice their AT series to be their new entry level line, and make a completely new line for their next detector. The new line would have all of the quality of life features from the Apex and AT Max as a given, and then build on that with fundamentally better tech, and make something actually competitive with other companies. If they do all of that though, I'd be very very surprised. I could be completely wrong, too. No way of knowing what they'll do until they do it. Fun to speculate though.

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I honestly don't know what to expect from Garrett. I'd be surprised if they cancel or lower the price of their AT series, just doesn't seem their style - if they delete anything from their lineup I think it will be some, but not all, of the Ace series detectors - probably thin that mess down to just three or so including the Ace Apex. I think the logical next detector for them is probably an AT series multi freq, yeah. Probably called something like the "AT Climax" and just be a waterproof Ace Apex with the AT series proportional audio and few other bits and bobs the Apex didn't quite have. I wouldn't expect great things from it, if they even do make one. Garrett, if you study their recent stuff, have a habit of recycling things. (Ace 150/250/350 got "upgraded" to the Ace 200/300/400, AT Pro was basically an improved Ace series detector, which then got further upgraded into the AT Max) They don't really reinvent a whole lot with each new thing they make, and they're really afraid of obsoleting their own stuff - they came out with a multi-frequency Ace instead of firmly obsoleting the AT series, if you remember.

If they make a new multi-frequency detector, here's what I'd expect from it:

- It will cost more than the AT Max. Garrett won't want to completely eliminate sales of their other stuff, so they'll do what they've historically done: make new and improved stuff more expensive but leave the old thing around as a "budget option". Probably around $900-$1000 for the new machine, regardless of if it's good enough to deserve such a price.

- It will perform objectively better than an AT Max, but not by much, and probably won't be very competitive with other companies' detectors. Garrett doesn't seem to terribly care about what other companies are doing, and just seem to do their own thing, none of their recent detectors have felt very strongly like "answers" for other brands' machines. The closest they come is just taking what people like about other brands and then not doing it as well. Likely this new detector would only be an improvement in relation to other Garrett detectors.

- It likely will be rechargeable and updateable, and have a very similar slimmer appearance to the Ace Apex. Garrett did all those improvements on the Ace Apex so you can bet they're going to reuse all that development.

- Possibly, they'll take some more cues from other companies (like they did with the Apex having updates and such) and make a detector with more settings and adjustment, but I wouldn't count on it. Garrett likes simple, easy to use detectors, and honestly seems to be more interested in making beginner's detectors than anything else, so while they might make a more configurable machine, it would be a little out of their norm to go all out. Likely they'd just add one or two details of other recent detectors and then brag about them like those concepts are novel and cool.


That's basically what I'd expect them to do, which is completely different from what I'd want them to do. I'd want them to wipe out every Ace other than the Apex, downprice their AT series to be their new entry level line, and make a completely new line for their next detector. The new line would have all of the quality of life features from the Apex and AT Max as a given, and then build on that with fundamentally better tech, and make something actually competitive with other companies. If they do all of that though, I'd be very very surprised. I could be completely wrong, too. No way of knowing what they'll do until they do it. Fun to speculate though.
I agree and disagree with some of your points.

I agree that it'll cost more than the AT Max, but I disagree that it'll only perform marginally better. Heck, imagine taking the Apex and putting it in the AT Max's housing. That would result in an AT Max that performs more than just marginally better. I do think that assuming Garrett released an "AT Apex," it'll perform better than the Apex, but have the toughness/waterproofness of at AT Max.
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Old 11-26-2021, 04:39 PM
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Seriously ...lolol
Even going back 10 or more yrs , nobody I knew , or even heard about was using one ...
I think they were hoping that people who were just starting out in the hobby would buy into the "imaging" crapola..lolol... but anyone who was digging for any length of time knew that would be a waste of time , and a failure without even looking at one ..loll
All kidding aside , I think garrett is headed for bad times...I don't know what they had to pay to acquire whites , I'm not convinced that was a good financial decision, as not many people were hyped about any of their machines either.... in reality , the AT max was just a rehashed machine even the control box changed little ...it seems to me all they did with the max is change the frequency. And crank the gain up and wala...NEW MACHINE .... they better change their business strategy, cuz rehashing single frequency machines and charging an arm and a leg for em isn't gonna cut it any more..
Let's be real..the AT max should be priced between the simplex and the 600...and if so..the at pro should cost a little more than the simplex..
For what you get, that's absolutely correct! But can you really blame Garrett for taking this "premium pricing" approach? I don't like it, but I respect Garrett's work in marketing their products to a point where they can get away with overcharging compared to their competitors.

I also agree that this strategy isn't going to work much longer given the ubiquity of SMF tech. But I think Garrett has something in store for us and I'm excited to see what it is.
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Originally Posted by mh9162013 View post
I agree and disagree with some of your points.

I agree that it'll cost more than the AT Max, but I disagree that it'll only perform marginally better. Heck, imagine taking the Apex and putting it in the AT Max's housing. That would result in an AT Max that performs more than just marginally better. I do think that assuming Garrett released an "AT Apex," it'll perform better than the Apex, but have the toughness/waterproofness of at AT Max.
No They need to make a 5 or more frequency Detector with tone roll type sound, waterproof . Name it something other than Apex, or All terrain. Also needs to be light and ergonomic.👍👍👍👍👍

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No They need to make a 5 or more frequency Detector with tone roll type sound, waterproof . Name it something other than Apex, or All terrain. Also needs to be light and ergonomic.👍👍👍👍👍
Yep. I hope Garrett has it in the development pipeline.
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They could start by shrinking down and making a waterproof V3I.

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They could start by shrinking down and making a waterproof V3I.
Fingers crossed...
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I think the Apex is a very good starting point for Garrett to build on (for their next smf machine). While the Apex isn't the top performing machine out there - it wasn't intended to be their flagship machine - it is a very capable machine for its price point. I like my Apex a lot and find it to be a very capable, and fun to use, machine.

I did own a GTI 2500 and found the imaging feature to be fairly useful - down to 5-6 inches. Beyond that depth it lost its usefulness. The GTI 2500 was a very deep machine (all metal mode) but it was heavy and had a slow recovery speed.

I expect the next smf machine, from Garrett, will be very competitive (performance-wise). I have no doubt that Garrett can produce a machine that competes very strongly (performance wise) with their competitor's top performing machines, but I'd expect that Garrett machine to be priced at, or above, the competitor's machines.

My hope is that I'm wrong about the price of such a machine.

If Garrett produces an updated version of the V3i - I'll gladly pay the premium (cost) to get my hands on one.
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Metaladdict i agree the tone roll type sound thing like the atpro would really make the apex top notch on the beach
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