View Single Post
  #64  
Old 04-24-2021, 11:18 AM
GKL's Avatar
GKL GKL is offline
Supporter
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Winnsboro, South Carolina
Posts: 7,765
Talking

Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View post
The word (if google/wiki is to be trusted) has its origins in eastern religion/philosophy. So that alone can bug some of us westerners. Who have world-view differences. But ... heck.... it doesn't matter WHAT the origin of *that* particular word is, it still just reeks of an implication that: There is something outside of ourselves . That/who is "sorting out deeds", blah blah. And we simply *can't go there*. Right ? I get it.

And even if we subscribe to strict physicalism, then : Someone could still try to say the pithy saying : "What comes around goes around". But even that isn't actually true. Because persons who refuse to help, never contribute, etc... and simply take-advantage of other's hospitalities and handouts, actually DO QUITE FINE. So ironically : Selfishness and greed actually aid: ALL THE MORE to: "Get your genes into the next generation". Right ?

I had this debate with a close md'ing buddy of mine. He questioned why I would take newbies to spots that we busted our balls to research and find. He'd ask something like: "Since when have they showed US sites?" As if, he was unwilling to befriend a fellow md'r, unless *they first* showed us some producing sites. Otherwise, they'd potentially just be one-way-leeches . Or that there would be "less goodies for us".

At first, my feeble defense was to say that : "In the future, they're likely to reciprocate." (ie.: karma, if you want to call it that). But then one day I came to my senses and realized: "Wait !!?? Is that what it's all about ? Is all our acts of kindness SIMPLY because we 'expect something in return?' " . Or is it possible (just maybe) that you do something kind for another person, with no expectation of payment/reciprocation ?

For example: If you help a little old lady across the street, are you doing so because you expect her to give you $10 ? Or maybe, just maybe, might get zero recognition, zero pay, etc.... ?

So the point is: Even if this silly Karma term were untrue (and you will simply be spit upon, in return) : SO WHAT ! If the point of life is to always "avoid being spit on" (and/or to "maximize our own wealth"), then sure: Don't ever share. Don't ever expend your energy to help others, etc....

If all we exist for, is to "get our genes into the next generation", then yes: We should all do *only* what "benefits us". Think about it.
Originally Posted by Princess View post

............Prior to joining FMDF, I don't think I'd realized how many Americans talk about "karma," which, as Tom noted, is rooted in Eastern religions.
.....I'm no philosopher, but what I noticed is that, no matter which view you believe, it takes a level of faith.
I became very proud of detectorists in general a good while back after I first got into the hobby and I learned how it seems most of them are glad to help someone find something they lost without asking for payment, and even trying to return rings they find that have enough identification to make a reasonable attempt.

I realize some detectorists might not be "religious" per se, but they still believe in treating others the way they would like to be treated and such attitudes makes the detecting hobby something to be proud to be part of !

Not trying to force my beliefs on anyone, but simply sharing some basics of how such attitudes are in line with scripture. The scriptures does say you will "reap what you sow" but that is not "karma" as what you reap is controlled by an intelligent Creator and not a mystical force. ......and while the scriptures does say to treat others the way you want to be treated, it also goes a big step further and says to even treat with kindness those who might treat you badly.

Matt. 7:12 "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them....."

Ga. 6:7 ".....for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap."

Luke 6:35 " But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again......"

(the highlighted part of that verse reminded me of Tom's point )

__________________
Gary
Minelab Equinox 800, Bounty Hunter Tracker IV, Garrett Pro-Pointer AT, Lesche hand digger, Sampson 31" T-Handle Shovel, Cen-Tech Pinpointer
hobbies: astronomy, rockhounding, fluorescent minerals and UV lights, green screening
John 3:5__Acts 2:38__Acts 19:1-7
Navy Vet

Reply With Quote


4 members found this post helpful.