Beachhunt1
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Well since I only hunt salt water, will be keeping a watchful eye on this one.
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Well since I only hunt salt water, will be keeping a watchful eye on this one.
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longbow62
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Somebody explain why you need more than 50 numerical segments for the I.D.. You have 50 tones to work with also. I've had a 99 numerical I.D. machine, and didn't find it particularly helpful in eliminating digging trash.
To me the more numbers you have the more the I.D. numbers fluctuate on deeper targets. Plus there seems to me to be a wider set of numbers to contend with for say square tabs. Does a 99 I.D. machine tell nickels from square tabs better. Or a IHP from a Zinc penny? Or maybe a penny from a dime? I had the 99 I.D. machine over a year when I switched to the Equinox and I didn't feel I started having problems digging more trash. As a matter of fact I've seen the Equinox out I.D. some other highly respected detectors.
I fully admit I could be wrong, but in my experience the Equinox I.D. is absolutely fine.
To me the more numbers you have the more the I.D. numbers fluctuate on deeper targets. Plus there seems to me to be a wider set of numbers to contend with for say square tabs. Does a 99 I.D. machine tell nickels from square tabs better. Or a IHP from a Zinc penny? Or maybe a penny from a dime? I had the 99 I.D. machine over a year when I switched to the Equinox and I didn't feel I started having problems digging more trash. As a matter of fact I've seen the Equinox out I.D. some other highly respected detectors.
I fully admit I could be wrong, but in my experience the Equinox I.D. is absolutely fine.
woodbutcher
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Yes I can tell a zinc from a copper and a dime from a zinc with 99 points of ID... I’ve used the Xterra 705 for a long time. And the visual ID is also compressed but it’s way more rock solid than the Equinox. To me that’s the only downfall I have with the Equinox ,the visual ID plain stinks but that’s just my opinion. But hey,if it works for you that’s great...
I'm with you - I don't think it's necessary.
No current metal detecting technology, in my opinion, is good enough where those extra segments will consistently make a difference. Why? Because of so many other variables that can affect the VDI.
Let's use Minelab's VDI scale as an example. Some say they can tell the difference between a reading of 13 and 14, ie it's a nickel or a non-nicklel. I believe them. But what good is that skill if the machine could be off a few hunts later? Maybe it's the changes in soil conditions (wet, not wet, different location, etc.) Or perhaps the ground balancing wasn't done quite the same way.
Put another way (for you scientists out there), this is an issue about "sig figs" (significant figures). What good is having a tool that can measure something to say...a hundredth of an millimeter if what you're measure can vary by 1 millimeter every time? That's right, there's no point.
So even if you can tell the difference between a 13 and 14 on your Minelab machine, it doesn't matter b/c environmental variables will result in changes that are more than 1 VDI segment. In other words, if a nickel on an Equinox is 13 +/- 2, what good is having a 100 segement VDI? All that'll change is that a nickel is 26 +/- 4.
I personally think it's a matter of preference...and that's fine. Go with what you're comfortable with.
Just like how a machine that can go up to 50 tones instead of say...25. How many people can honestly tell the difference? Not that many. Basically only the super duper hardcore users of that machine can tell the diference...and those with perfect pitch.
Cherry Picker
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Let me double down on woodbutcher's response. I can tell the difference between targets soooo much more accurately with more target ID segments. Now I know target ID isn't of importance to some, but to me, it is feature #1. If I'm going to bend over to recover a target I want the very best odds it will be worth it. I've done the recover it all for far too many years and my body knows it. Like the E-Trac. I simply love the dual-target ID setup. Often I could get a questionable conductive VDI, but the non-conductive VDI would tell the rest of the story. Still not 100%, but in my experience, far more reliable than anything else on the market.
Rattlehead
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Same here. The older I get, the more I appreciate every single bit of target information a detector can provide.
Tone is king IMHO, but it’s only part of the equation. Putting it all together is where the magic happens.
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markinswpa
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Some relic hunters like an expanded iron range. More VDI numbers in the iron area. It helps identify nails easier from other iron items that they like to dig.
The new Nokta detector can be successful and be an improvement over the Equinox in a few areas. Waterproof ability is one. The Equinox has a bad reputation on that. Ergonomics is another. The Equinox is terrible. Many of us had to buy a counter weighted shaft.
Price? Maybe? In the Covid world anything electronic has been inflated in price. How Turkey is doing is a guess on my part. But Chips and IC's are in high demand. Demand drives up cost.
The thing to remember is everyone already has an Equinox. Getting us to replace it or add one to the collection is going to take a detector that performs above what we have now. We shall see. Depth, Unmasking, Target ID, Iron ID.......all the things we look for and to be honest.....seldom get. The closets are full of high hopes.
And one last thing on the subject. Minelab has not been idle.
Oh and I'm glad to see Nokta go normal bluetooth. Those color coded headphones of past models was disappointing.
The new Nokta detector can be successful and be an improvement over the Equinox in a few areas. Waterproof ability is one. The Equinox has a bad reputation on that. Ergonomics is another. The Equinox is terrible. Many of us had to buy a counter weighted shaft.
Price? Maybe? In the Covid world anything electronic has been inflated in price. How Turkey is doing is a guess on my part. But Chips and IC's are in high demand. Demand drives up cost.
The thing to remember is everyone already has an Equinox. Getting us to replace it or add one to the collection is going to take a detector that performs above what we have now. We shall see. Depth, Unmasking, Target ID, Iron ID.......all the things we look for and to be honest.....seldom get. The closets are full of high hopes.
And one last thing on the subject. Minelab has not been idle.
Oh and I'm glad to see Nokta go normal bluetooth. Those color coded headphones of past models was disappointing.
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I love my Nox 600, but I do miss the scale on my Fisher F75. Combining tones with expanded scale VDI is just more information.
I'm very interesting in the Nokta SMF detector. I really like hearing they are going to standard Bluetooth. Now we need some manufacturers to make standard Bluetooth pinpointers to connect to our headphones/earbuds.
Can't wait!
I'm very interesting in the Nokta SMF detector. I really like hearing they are going to standard Bluetooth. Now we need some manufacturers to make standard Bluetooth pinpointers to connect to our headphones/earbuds.
Can't wait!
metaladdict
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Newer update.
Nokta should call their new machine RFC. Rapid Frequency Change. Idk if Simultaneous Frequency can be achieved by them?
Nokta should call their new machine RFC. Rapid Frequency Change. Idk if Simultaneous Frequency can be achieved by them?
diggindaboot
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Why do you think that ?
