davidlhyde63366
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Several other lost treasure tales https://www.govmint.com/coin-authority/post/lost-buried-treasure-hoards i know Tom-in-CA looks forward to seeing these
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There are a lot of diffrent accounts ....
A lost Civil war treasure story / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4G7ie9p8J0
I'm sorry, but I could only watch 3:26 of that. Couldn't stomach any more. Reached for the off-switch as fast as I could.
Once they made a big to-do about having found a "Confederate silver coin " (as their clue/proof), I couldn't take any more. Heck, I found 2 of those this weekend, and a 3rd even older than that ! So does this mean that I'm on the verge of a fabulous treasure ?
Stop torturing me Dave!
Despite the SCORES of treasure legends afloat out there (Lost Dutchman, Yamashita, Oak Island, pearl ship, blah blah blah) you NEVER hear of any of them being found. Despite many that go looking.
So do any of these legends have any factual basis of the treasure actually existing? ...
.... some of which have a known historical basis and ,...
Here is the logical problem with what you are alluding to, in this leading & suggestive question :
Let's just cut-to-the-chase: ALL TREASURE LEGENDS have "factual basis" and "historic basis". In other words, they have real names, dates, and events. Right ? In other words, none of them ever started with: "Once upon a time" Right ? So we can start with real names, dates, and events, and spin a treasure around it.
So you might be thinking : "Then it's just a matter of sorting out fact from fiction" to arrive at the truth.
But this fails to account for a giant "Gotcha" : If there is no treasure, then WHAT GOOD WILL IT DO that the other 99% of the story is true ?
This, for example, is what cracks me up about the Oak Island bruhaha : Notice that whenever people debate it, they start debating things like : Was, or was their not, shipping in that region that could have carried $$ ? Can or can't a pit be dug with hand tools to a certain depth. Was or wasn't there a motive in Europe by the Freemasons, Jesuits, etc... Or "Can or cant' coconut fiber float across the entire ocean ", blah blah blah.
As if to conclude that : If the proponents can substantiate that 99% of the story (via extreme unlikely contingencies) that there HAS to be a treasure. But this does not logically follow.
Let me give you an example: Back in the 1970s, a buddy of mine submitted a treasure story to one of the treasure magazines of that era (back when they were all filled with "lost mine" and "stolen loot" stories). The entire story was made-up fancy. But he started with faded newspaper clippings, real names, dates, and events. Toss in a few: "It has been said that..." type speculations (to introduce a treasure), then PRESTO: It must be true, eh ? So if you go to separate fact from fiction of my friend's story, you WILL INDEED find that the persons really existed. The historical events really occurred (a battle, or a robbery, or a gold strike town's originating date, etc...).
He did this just for fun, and to get the $50 article acceptance pay.
But you can sort fact from fiction till you're blue in the face: If there's no treasure THEN THERE'S NO TREASURE. And it DOESN'T MATTER than 99% of the story is true.
Yes. The amber room did exist but after the various moves during World War 2, the bombing of Königsberg and the fragility of the artifacts as documented by the Russians who found that it was too crumbly to move and tried to hide it behind wall paper, the room probably deteriorated to junk ready for the dumpster. There was no solid gold in the room. There was some gold leaf backing but mainly amber a cheap, soft gemstone easily damaged at a Mohs of 2 to 2.5. Due to these known historical and scientific facts, the room most likely no longer exists and thus cannot be "found". The Russians did complete a reproduction for public viewing in 2005. I guess just to prove they had the wealth and crafty expertise to do it.Tom,
Chill a little! I am not trying to pull your chain or anything! lol
I was not trying to ask leading or illogical questions...I was asking whether you think any of the legends or stories you know of have any merit...ie you think there could be a missing treasure in certain particular instances???
As way of examples I mentioned the Amber Room...it is a historical documented fact this existed, that it was dismantled in WW2 and then went missing while being shipped to "safety."
Regards,
Peter
.....I was asking whether you think any of the legends or stories you know of have any merit...ie you think there could be a missing treasure in certain particular instances???...
.... the room most likely no longer exists and thus cannot be "found". .....
oh my gosh, how can you be such a kill-joy ? Don't you know that the proponents can push back against every skeptical point that you made ? With extreme contingency "what ifs" that you will be required to play wack-a-mole with ? Tsk tsk
If everybody was a Debbie-downer like you, no one would ever look for or find treasures. Tsk tsk
So Tom are you saying people should look for Yamashita’s gold the treasure the Japanese hid in the Philippines during world War 2
You are cruel. Much too cruel
Yes. The amber room did exist but after the various moves during World War 2, the bombing of Königsberg and the fragility of the artifacts as documented by the Russians who found that it was too crumbly to move and tried to hide it behind wall paper, the room probably deteriorated to junk ready for the dumpster. There was no solid gold in the room. There was some gold leaf backing but mainly amber a cheap, soft gemstone easily damaged at a Mohs of 2 to 2.5. Due to these known historical and scientific facts, the room most likely no longer exists and thus cannot be "found". The Russians did complete a reproduction for public viewing in 2005. I guess just to prove they had the wealth and crafty expertise to do it.
... are there any specific stories/legends he feels could be credible?
Yes. The Atocha, before-it-was-found, was one that was above cynicism , and was credible. And there are others.
Amber room might be one of them. But after reading atomicbrh's input on that, I'd be tempted to immediately say "nah". My immediate instinct is to believe the skeptic's view (like atomicbrh's here) before believing the proponent's affirmative view.
And the reason is: That it's ALWAYS human nature to *want so hard* to believe them . They're so much fun (let's be honest) And thus put skepticism and hard questions aside.
Hence the mere fact that "more plausible explanations" have been floated, leads me to think "the heavy lifting skepticism has been done. And I'll bet ya dollars to donuts, that that's the real skinny". But that's just me.
Naturally, when it comes to the Amber room, I'm only addressing the issue of "Is it worthwhile to look for it now". Not "did it ever exist at any time".