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Tom_in_CA 04-21-2022 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HiDesertHunter (Post 3386387)
.....It is however true the FBI did get involved and performed an excavation of the area which is 'telling' of an interest in 'something'. .

I bet I can also get a bunch of LEO types to come and dig in any given spot I want. I just tell them : There's 10 murder victims there. Or a fabulous treasure, blah blah.

HiDesertHunter 04-21-2022 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA (Post 3386404)
I bet I can also get a bunch of LEO types to come and dig in any given spot I want. I just tell them : There's 10 murder victims there. Or a fabulous treasure, blah blah.

I think you are over 'dramatising' the entire situation.

It is obvious you are really affected by this due to your unrelenting negative responses to every post about it, and I am beginning to wonder if you are a bit 'envious' of Parada.

Is it possible you are wishing maybe you had a similar experience as Parada has so as to have been able to exert your 'power & authority' similarly as you espoused in a previous post of yours about being self employed and as you said, So too do self-employed business owners enjoy the freedom, power, authority, that it brings.?

Please do no take my observation of this negatively but you are showing signs of a 'repression' with regard to this, and maybe you feel 'subordinate' to Parada because of his 'notoriety' in this instance.

Give it a thought.

Tom_in_CA 04-21-2022 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by HiDesertHunter (Post 3386427)
...Give it a thought.

Ok, I've given it some thought. And the answer is : No.

7.62 04-21-2022 11:47 PM

FBI stole it
Guy has a legitimate claim for half of the gold recovered .

FBI would never do anything wrong
It's all Russian disinformation on the lap top

ManInTheWaLL 04-22-2022 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA (Post 3386404)
I bet I can also get a bunch of LEO types to come and dig in any given spot I want. I just tell them : There's 10 murder victims there. Or a fabulous treasure, blah blah.

I would think the FBI would only get involved in certain crimes.

Ever tried getting in touch with the FBI? No easy, these guys don't like to be bothered. The FBI is not in the lost n found, treasure hunting business. I would like to know how he got them involved.

swiftsword 04-22-2022 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA (Post 3386363)
Oh trust me : The O.I. faithful have that angle covered as well. When you try to point out this line-of-reasoning that you cite, they will come up with elaborate pushback , of methods where it *could* conceivably have been done.

Like they'll point out that Cornish miners , in the middle-ages, dug elaborate tunnels into bedrock in European hard-rock mining, that did indeed have tunnels that reach this deep, blah blah blah.

Or they'll say something like : "Well gee, the pyramids of Egypt were built with manual labor, right ?" Hence if you get 100 men, for 100 yrs, then it can be done with pick & shovel. Eh ?

In other words, they think that if they can find ANY remote conceivable far-fetched way it *could* have been done, then presto: They think they've proven that there's a "fabulous treasure" there. :roll:


"Captain Kidd's men dropped the heavy chest on the sand and rested for a moment to gather their strength and their tools. Groans and curses accompanied the unaccustomed work as they piled spadefuls of dirt around the ever-deepening hole. Soon their picks hit bedrock. They cut down a small forest to shore up the collapsing walls of their shaft. Ground and seawater broke in and claimed a man every week. But still they labored on, now in complete darkness broken only by the uncertain light of their flintlock pistols, which they had fashioned into Cornish miner's lamps. Four hundred years later, the hole was finally ready."


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chillforlife 04-22-2022 01:26 AM

Here's my opinion, there are people here who have way too much time on their hands. JMO.

Tpmetal 04-22-2022 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by HiDesertHunter (Post 3386427)
I think you are over 'dramatising' the entire situation.

It is obvious you are really affected by this due to your unrelenting negative responses to every post about it, and I am beginning to wonder if you are a bit 'envious' of Parada.

Is it possible you are wishing maybe you had a similar experience as Parada has so as to have been able to exert your 'power & authority' similarly as you espoused in a previous post of yours about being self employed and as you said, So too do self-employed business owners enjoy the freedom, power, authority, that it brings.?

Please do no take my observation of this negatively but you are showing signs of a 'repression' with regard to this, and maybe you feel 'subordinate' to Parada because of his 'notoriety' in this instance.

Give it a thought.

If you had ever met Dennis you would find this post as funny as I do.... The man tried to convince me a large vaguely triangle shaped sandstone boulder was "arrowhead shaped" and part of an old native american rock works....among many other ridiculous ideas. Completely ignoring geology and science, jumping to the wildest conclusions.

Cfmct 04-22-2022 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA (Post 3386428)
Ok, I've given it some thought. And the answer is : No.

Tom...you must be in seventh heaven on this thread...:yes:

ManInTheWaLL 04-22-2022 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Tpmetal (Post 3386459)
If you had ever met Dennis you would find this post as funny as I do.... The man tried to convince me a large vaguely triangle shaped sandstone boulder was "arrowhead shaped" and part of an old native american rock works....among many other ridiculous ideas. Completely ignoring geology and science, jumping to the wildest conclusions.

On his own website, he took a mess of artifacts to the state claiming they were civil war items, and the state returned them to him, stating it was all junk.

I just wonder how he got the FBI involved.

atomicbrh 04-22-2022 10:38 AM

There is no cw gold.
Both Union and Confederate troops were paid with paper money.
Both the Lincoln Administration and the Davis Administration were having trouble paying the massive amounts of troops.
Just like our congress critters in 2022, if they need more money, they just print more money.

SeabeeRon 04-22-2022 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 7.62 (Post 3386430)
FBI stole it
Guy has a legitimate claim for half of the gold recovered .

FBI would never do anything wrong
It's all Russian disinformation on the lap top

:toofunny: Well, that was a coffee spewer for me this morning!

davidlhyde63366 04-22-2022 12:12 PM

If you ever want to get Tom -in -CA started ask him what he thinks of this lost treasure tale .
 
https://theunredacted.com/the-legend...mashitas-gold/ a thread on here on the Philippines treasure https://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?t=249416 and another one https://metaldetectingforum.com/showthread.php?t=249849

HiDesertHunter 04-22-2022 01:06 PM

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I just wonder how he got the FBI involved.

According to an article I read the FBI got a copy of a Federal Warrant Parada applied for to seize the alleged gold without the state’s permission.

I watched a couple news vids abut this and they showed some video clips of the FBI dig underway. They were pretty well equipped and obviously serious about something.

I also watched the 'Dents run story part 1' with the Paradas and well, they didn't really offer anything substantive. Just a lot of talk. Kinda comical actually and not too credible.

The bottom line is something took place at the site but what we may never know. Kind of like 'Roswell'.

Pete e 04-22-2022 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by HiDesertHunter (Post 3386528)
According to an article I read the FBI got a copy of a Federal Warrant Parada applied for to seize the alleged gold without the state’s permission.

I watched a couple news vids abut this and they showed some video clips of the FBI dig underway. They were pretty well equipped and obviously serious about something....

The bottom line is something took place at the site but what we may never know. Kind of like 'Roswell'.

If the FBI release the various documents that they supposedly hold, as per the latest Court ruling, we will have a good idea what went on..

Not sure exactly how things work in the States, but I would have thought something like this would have been under the Secret Services jurisdiction ?? Or do they not deal with Treasury related things anymore?

HiDesertHunter 04-22-2022 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete e (Post 3386541)
If the FBI release the various documents that they supposedly hold, as per the latest Court ruling, we will have a good idea what went on..

Exactly but I doubt we will see much, and most likely it will be just general information and nothing specific as to exactly WHY they followed up on this and invested the time and personnel on it.

Tom_in_CA 04-22-2022 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tpmetal (Post 3386459)
...Completely ignoring geology and science, jumping to the wildest conclusions.

Yes. Which is what makes following this Dennis saga so interesting . Ie.: Replying to OTHER forum posters who bring the saga here, asking for input/opinion. It is so wild, that you can't help but dissect it , to show that , yes, it holds no merit.

But watch out, because HiDesertHunter will say you are showing signs of represstion :

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Originally Posted by HiDesertHunter (Post 3386427)
... you are showing signs of a 'repression' .....

Or have some psychological malady of power, or envy of Dennis' treasure, or some such psychoanalysis. :laughing:

Tom_in_CA 04-22-2022 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by davidlhyde63366 (Post 3386519)

You are cruel. Just plain cruel ! :mad:

Tom_in_CA 04-22-2022 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HiDesertHunter (Post 3386528)
...

The bottom line is something took place at the site but what we may never know. Kind of like 'Roswell'.

Re.: The "something that went on" : The bruhaha and attention going on there , is merely the result of Dennis going around for years banging on Govt. doors, media doors, etc.... Begging for attention.

So this "smoke" is not indicative of any fire. It's merely smoke that Dennis created himself.

Thus yes, we WILL "know". I can tell you right now that we will never see a red cent of any treasure. There : Now you "know".

And no, it's not because the FBI stole it and hid it. It's because there was nothing there in the first place. This is all just a campfire legend born out of someone's fanciful imagination back in the 1960s or 70s modern times . Like Roswell, there's no aliens or treasure there. Ok ?

Tom_in_CA 04-22-2022 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete e (Post 3386541)
If the FBI release the various documents that they supposedly hold, as per the latest Court ruling, we will have a good idea what went on.. ....

Guaranteed, no matter what is released, it will not shut Dennis up. When it shows no treasure (which it will), Dennis will just scream that the documents were whitewashed, scrubbed, doctored, etc.... Mark my words.

Anyone want to make a gentlemen's bet that this is exactly what Dennis will do ? Because with guys like this , they START with the premise of "a fabulous treasure". And thus any data to the contrary is all a part of a giant conspiracy. :roll:

Tom_in_CA 04-22-2022 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cfmct (Post 3386461)
Tom...you must be in seventh heaven on this thread...:yes:


Ah c'mon Cfmct, you love me ! :blush2: If it wasn't for Kill-joy control-freaks like me, nothing would get done right here ! :laughing:

Pete e 04-22-2022 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HiDesertHunter (Post 3386543)
Exactly but I doubt we will see much, and most likely it will be just general information and nothing specific as to exactly WHY they followed up on this and invested the time and personnel on it.

I would think the crucial info will be in the survey carried out by Enviroscan; had that turned up "nothing", I doubt the excavation would have gone ahead.

Tom_in_CA 04-22-2022 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete e (Post 3386566)
I would think the crucial info will be in the survey carried out by Enviroscan; had that turned up "nothing", I doubt the excavation would have gone ahead.

I do not know anything about this "enviroscan" outfit, but I've done enough posse-searches, and worked along-side archies enough times, that I have concluded that some of these "Experts" think and do the durndest things.

Simple mistakes that any of us md'rs would know/realize in a heartbeat. Like: You're picking up the front of your steel-toed shoe. Or you're picking up the metal ribbing in the building that you're detecting alongside of (rather than something "down").

Again, I do not know the specifics, and the know-how, of this particular person or their equipment-for-this-case. But just sayin' that I have seen so-called experts make the silliest mistakes when it comes to metal detecting and our tools/arsenal. For example : Archies (with university degrees) will make the darned silliest statement/conclusions at times.

And don't forget : Any supposed claim that this enviroscan supposedly said, is quotes that DENNIS propagates. Ie.: It's HIM claiming "they said such & such". These quotes are not coming from Enviroscan. They're coming from Dennis. And he tends to hear and interpret things that are couched in his "prior commitments". Ie.: He only hears (and interprets) everything in terms of "a fabulous treasure". Not saying he would be lying , but just saying that he can pick up individual out-of-context sentences or musings, and presto : Come away with something else .

Pete e 04-22-2022 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA (Post 3386571)
I do not know anything about this "enviroscan" outfit, but I've done enough posse-searches, and worked along-side archies enough times, that I have concluded that some of these "Experts" think and do the durndest things.

Simple mistakes that any of us md'rs would know/realize in a heartbeat. Like: You're picking up the front of your steel-toed shoe. Or you're picking up the metal ribbing in the building that you're detecting alongside of (rather than something "down").

Again, I do not know the specifics, and the know-how, of this particular person or their equipment-for-this-case. But just sayin' that I have seen so-called experts make the silliest mistakes when it comes to metal detecting and our tools/arsenal. For example : Archies (with university degrees) will make the darned silliest statement/conclusions at times.

And don't forget : Any supposed claim that this enviroscan supposedly said, is quotes that DENNIS propagates. Ie.: It's HIM claiming "they said such & such". These quotes are not coming from Enviroscan. They're coming from Dennis. And he tends to hear and interpret things that are couched in his "prior commitments". Ie.: He only hears (and interprets) everything in terms of "a fabulous treasure". Not saying he would be lying , but just saying that he can pick up individual out-of-context sentences or musings, and presto : Come away with something else .

I completely agree with both those points, particularly the second one...The release of the Enviroscan report should shed light on exactly what went on....

ManInTheWaLL 04-22-2022 07:03 PM

Maybe the FBI checked the site out, thinking he took items from the property. I can't think of any other reason the FBI would get involved. You are not dealing with a mess of clowns at the FBI

And remember they are releasing the documents to him, will the court also receive these documents? If not... he'll hide anything he does not want anyone to see.

Tom_in_CA 04-22-2022 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete e (Post 3386600)
.....The release of the Enviroscan report should shed light on exactly what went on....

No light will be shed on treasure vs no-treasure.

Because Mark my words : Dennis will just claim the "report was altered". He will claim that they told him one thing at-the-site, yet are now saying something different. Just watch.

Pete e 04-23-2022 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA (Post 3386611)
No light will be shed on treasure vs no-treasure.

Because Mark my words : Dennis will just claim the "report was altered". He will claim that they told him one thing at-the-site, yet are now saying something different. Just watch.

The report will be interesting regardless of what Dennis says...If it says they detected "8 tons of buried gold" it will make them look farcical...if it's says they detected "a large metallic anomaly" or something equally vague, that then that puts the spot light back on the FBI to justify the excavation and what happened to the "anomaly"...Hopefully some reasonable science will have been applied to this by the Enviroscan and the FBI, although it would surprise me if the opposite was true....

Tom_in_CA 04-23-2022 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Pete e (Post 3386805)
The report will be interesting regardless of what Dennis says...........

Well, it will be interesting, if it implies "No treasure". Because, sure, the skeptics can point to this and say : "No treasure" and "Dennis is nuts". And you would THINK that this would put an end to the nonsense. Right ? :?:

But no : Dennis will just claim that they said something else in person . Which, of course, he didn't record them saying, so we'll need to go by his recollections and interpretations. Or that any "report" they give now, has been altered, white-washed, forged, etc....

So the issue will not go away. Just like Area 51, 9-11, or JFK conspiracies: They never go away.

Tom_in_CA 04-23-2022 01:27 PM

I wonder if, 200 yrs. from now, there will be a Oak Island like show, where heavy equipment is brought in to dig the heck out of this D.R. area ? :?:

Cfmct 04-23-2022 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA (Post 3386814)
I wonder if, 200 yrs. from now, there will be a Oak Island like show, where heavy equipment is brought in to dig the heck out of this D.R. area ? :?:


The area will be underwater... divers will have to hunt it and maybe find some planted targets the soap opera stars who are on it now forgot to dig :lol:

GKL 04-25-2022 12:16 AM

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Some could say Tom-in-CA is the Grinch who stole treasure legends and dreams :laughing: Worthy of a funny photo edit GKL , hint , hint :laughing:

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Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA (Post 3386039)
No ! Don't encourage him ! My museum garage cabinet display sides are running out of room for all these cartoons ! :roll:

Sorry Tom, I found this pic to edit you and the treasure map into and well..... you can thank Dave for suggesting the idea :laughing::laughing::laughing:
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Tom_in_CA 04-25-2022 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GKL (Post 3387411)
..... I found this pic to edit you ....


You and Dave are so mean to me ! Boohoohoo :p

GKL 04-25-2022 12:56 AM

See you in the funny papers !
 
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Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA (Post 3387413)

You and Dave are so mean to me ! Boohoohoo :p

:laughing: .....mean ? .....you should feel honored, you're kinda in the "movies" ......well, maybe more like the cartoons and comedies :laughing:

davidlhyde63366 04-25-2022 02:10 PM

You got it right
 
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Sorry Tom, I found this pic to edit you and the treasure map into and well..... you can thank Dave for suggesting the idea :laughing::laughing::laughing:
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YOU DEFINATLY CAPTURED THE REAL TOM:laughing:, another one for Tom to print out and display.

atomicbrh 04-26-2022 10:11 AM

If this gold exists, it was stolen from the confederate states and should be returned to the descendants of the people living in confederate states at the time.
I demand the return of my share of the gold.

ManInTheWaLL 04-26-2022 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by atomicbrh (Post 3387884)
If this gold exists, it was stolen from the confederate states and should be returned to the descendants of the people living in confederate states at the time.
I demand the return of my share of the gold.

I think it should go to former slaves

Tom_in_CA 04-26-2022 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by atomicbrh (Post 3387884)
.... it ....

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Originally Posted by ManInTheWaLL (Post 3387917)
.... it .....


There is no "it", in the first place.

Foragist 04-26-2022 02:20 PM

Dude in the video (Denis' son?) said they used a gravimeter. That's how they know it was nine tons of gold down there several feet/yards.
Now I'm scared. That sounds too realistic!
Maybe Minelab is or should be working on a gravimeter coil? I want one for the Equinox. No more aluminum scrap digging!

Tom_in_CA 04-26-2022 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Foragist (Post 3387993)
Dude in the video (Denis' son?) said they used a gravimeter. ....

I dunno anything about that. But gee, didn't you also hear that they used dowsing rods ? And the rods pointed to the location. Honest, no-tilting-of-hands/wrists.

I'll bet I can get each of those same two to go off in my own backyard. So ........ gee .... ya can't argue with dowsing rods and gravimeters.

Excuse me now while I go to my backyard and dig a fabulous fortune ! :roll:

Martin_V3i 04-26-2022 02:30 PM

What frequency is a gravimeter?


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