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Vortex 9.09

I have no idea if it is software or hardware. If it is software and they have in house programmers (which I am beginning to doubt) they should be fired. I agree with Diga, if it is hardware, a recall should be issued. After all it is a metal detector, a metal detector that can't detect metal that a $179 kid's detector can.
 
The primary objective, for all detectorists, is to mitigate the number of quality targets missed as they detect. Time and energy limits dictate this. We, as serious hobbyists, take great pains in this mitigation process, because maximization is key.

The Vortex, from the beginning, has been demonstrated to be less capable of performing in a way that creates the confidence in the maximization for which serious hobbyists strive than products from other manufacturers.

It’s what you miss that haunts serious detectorists. 😅
 
It goes like this. Real world. At least what I do.
Could I hear some high tone on bigger iron on first pass of coil? Yep, been there and done that. A bunch. Now as a user I have to decide to take the bait or not hence walk or dig. Wonder if I decide it is big iron falsing with more repetition sweeps, and mayeven pivot on it. So if I decide to sweep few more times and decide to walk and proceed detecting what do I do? Do I raise my coil off the ground ? Nope. I may sweep the bs what I think is iron and then with coil on the ground keep sweeping may take a step or not. So what might happen if I was using a vortex doing the above. And a good target setting 10” -14” away from the bs target which I determined to be bigger iron and I bringthe vortex coil over it? Hmmm
I wonder, I wonder.
Yeah when in a site the coil is being moved lots of different ways over lots of potentially different things.
The same could be said doing what I said above with a smashed can. Yeah one can raise their coil on an aluminum can a foot and still get signal. And decide thst isn’t to coin likely. Question is where does one start back to detecting (sweeping) when they continue. Could a person using a detector without this flaw the vortex has start coil sweeping in vicinity of can and press on with pride and strike a desirable target 10-12” away? Perhaps.
I don’t like the odds vortex offers here. Sorry,
Next imagine this.
A silver quarter a mere 4” deep or a silver ring. And there are 4 horseshoes shallower spaced around the quarter or silver ring at all cardinal headings degrees wise at roughly 12” inches from the quarter. Could a person miss this quarter with vortex approaching the quarter from about any direction sweeping. And if we switch out the horshoes for 4 smashed cans what could happen using vortex? Hmmmmm
I won’t be finding out fortunately!!

So it’s not just a one smashed can or 1 bigger piece of iron scenario with a coin sized nonferrous target that needs to be thought about as far as Vortex.
 
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Well, I still have plans to at least try a Vortex. Over time, I have learned there will always be unhappy people who tend to exaggerate detector issues. I have seen most of those condemned detectors end up being a fairly good machine in time. Some take longer than others, but I am still seeing happy Vortex users. That tells me a lot.
 
KOB said:
I do believe most all detectors do this when targets are very close together. It's why I'm a firm believer in digging just about everything. Add a salt , iron beach and many targets will be miss identified. But I thought the Manti with the screen is supposed to help this problem. But the Vortex video shows locking on a large junk target and in the same sweep , 3' over is a quarter that it doesn't pick up. This is a HUGE problem. Detectors aren't supposed to do this. The thing is junk. No way to sugarcoat it.
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Testing the Manticore, exactly as you say, few inches next to flat AL can. Can’t argue with your assessment, it may not be acceptable to you and others. Works OK for me, the change in tone.
 
Diga said:
It tells me a lot too. It tells me that ignorance is bliss.

They don't know the good stuff that their Vortex is missing, so of course they're happy.
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You have no idea what your current detector is missing. None of us does.

I remember quite well that the Garrett AT Pro got the same hate when it was new. Now, where does it rate? Yes, ignorance can be bliss.
 
Diga said:
You've missed lol the point CP.

The Vortex stops detecting targets for a while after it hits on any larger target. In other words, the Vortex will miss all sorts of good targets that even really cheap detectors can hit.
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No, I'm pointing out that all the Vortex hate is nothing new in the line of detectors.

Remember the AT Pro coil issue? People had issues where rubbing the coil on stubble caused noise. It was said, by the haters, that what reputable company would release a detector obviously not tested, and how worthless the AT Pro was. Now look where it stands in the food chain. It was rated one of the top popular detectors for a long time, and still is a very popular favorite. I'm quite sure any issues will be fixed.

If they stop addressing the issue, then we have a problem; until then, you have no idea what the future holds for the Vortex. I could name a popular detector made by a popular company that has had an issue with unstable and unreliable VDI since it came out. No one is throwing a fit because it isn't being addressed, and probably never will.
 
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Diga said:
You've missed lol the point CP.

The Vortex stops detecting targets for a while after it hits on any larger target. In other words, the Vortex will miss all sorts of good targets that even really cheap detectors can hit.
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You clearly don't understand the algorithm of the vortex. Much like my Ex Wife, it tells you things it never said. You're just not LISTENING.:roll:
 
Cherry Picker said:
Well, I still have plans to at least try a Vortex. Over time, I have learned there will always be unhappy people who tend to exaggerate detector issues. I have seen most of those condemned detectors end up being a fairly good machine in time. Some take longer than others, but I am still seeing happy Vortex users. That tells me a lot.
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Let me know when you are ready to try one. I have one about a month old with everything that it came with including the box. It's been lightly hunted with once and the rest has been testing. I would love to sell it and move on.
 
KOB said:
Think I know of that other forum. Have never been a member. Believe I trolled it a few times just looking. I found what I read was alot of delusional writings. Like aliens came down and zapped their brains. More looney than myself. At least a few here appreciate some of my expertise and nonsense !🤣
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It’s has a lot of good people on it. A lot of laughs and politics (good or bad) and metal detecting discussions before the censorship of facts about Garrett’s recent blue turds and bad decisions.
 
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Over the years, I've had the pleasure to have owning pretty much every well-known detector on the market or a clone. Today, the only one I haven't gotten to try is the Manticore and Vortex. Well, I haven't tried any of the Scores, but I had the Simplex+, and I believe other than options, they share a lot of the same performance. What I have observed is that there really isn't that much difference, when it comes to performance, in all of them. Each has its strengths and weaknesses, but pretty much the same thing in a different package, and different names for the options.

I'm sure most of us with any time detecting have had that occasion where we have hunted our favorite site for years and with every different detector we have owned, and yet, out of the blue for no explainable reason, passing the same path we have many times, with many detectors, out pops that amazing coin. How could it have been missed? All we can do is speculate, but the fact remains, it was missed until now. We have no idea what our detectors are missing. I'm not a big fan of tests anymore because while they can be useful, when used for the right purpose, I feel most are used to convince possible buyers using staged shows what one detector can do that another has problems. Both will still miss coins in the wild.

I believe the best way to pick a detector is by preference. Choose a detector that fits your preferences. Feel, balance, screen layout, options, coils, and then put in the hours to become the best you can be with that detector. As I mentioned above, even to this day, the Garrett AT Pro is still at the top of the list of my most favorite detectors. Rated by finds. I currently keep 2 detectors. My E-Trac for those really deep silvers, and my XP Deus for the rest. These choices are based mainly on financial ability. On social security, my options are very limited. If I had my choice, I would have the CX3030 again. In my opinion, still the Top-Gun.

Point I'm hoping to make is that if there were one detector so much better than the rest, we'd all be using it. Also, problems happen. My experience with detectors like the AT Pro have taught me to never mark a dog out of the fight.
 
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I agree and add pleasant tones (subjective) to the list. I’ve owned MANY detectors as well and the Manticore (for me) has been as close to perfect as I’ve found. My only dislike is it not using Bluetooth for wireless.
I’ve had the Deus 2 and the Legend and found the performance similar but as you said the features made the extra cost worth it for me. I think people should use whichever detector brings enjoyment BUT I also believe we should point out problems including old overpriced machines which don’t perform as well as newer models. I still occasionally use my Fisher 1212X, a simple 1 knob model similar to a Compadre because it brings enjoyment.
 
Cherry Picker said:
Over the years, I've had the pleasure to have owning pretty much every well-known detector on the market or a clone. Today, the only one I haven't gotten to try is the Manticore and Vortex. What I have observed is that there really isn't that much difference, when it comes to performance, in all of them. Each has its strengths and weaknesses, but pretty much the same thing in a different package, and different names for the options.
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Yep.

The main differences between SF and SMF are:

1) SF is far less suspectable to EMI and the performance problems EMI causes.

2) SMF (specifically Multi-IQ) typically performs significantly better than SF in highly mineralized ground. Although from what I understand, it's not that SF can't inherently handle highly mineralized ground, but rather it's more of what type of ground conditions that a particular SF detector was designed to work with.

The new SMF Multi-IQ and the like detectors from the Nox forward though? There's no meaningful performance difference in those. It's like the same "engine" in a car, but with different dashboards and body styles.
 
The latest problem on the Vortex seems to be that a component(s) gets overwhelmed by strong signals and then takes a while to recover. While the component(s) recover, the detector is not able to detect anything.

That would also explain why Garrett was only able to marginally mitigate the issue with software modifications. So ya, my bet is on a hardware problem that can only be properly addressed by using better hardware and a recall.
 
Diga said:
The latest problem on the Vortex seems to be that a component(s) gets overwhelmed by strong signals and then takes a while to recover. While the component(s) recover, the detector is not able to detect anything.

That would also explain why Garrett was only able to marginally mitigate the issue with software modifications. So ya, my bet is on a hardware problem that can only be properly addressed by using better hardware and a recall.
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I am beginning to think that you may be right, that it may be a hardware issue. At first my thinking was that it was the lack of capable in-house engineers or programmers, but it may a hardware issue. A hardware issue that they don't want to address due to the expense of fixing it, that would make more sense now that I think about it. On a side note, my 18 year old son, who doesn't detect watched the Youtube videos showing the 9.08 and the 9.09 issues and then watch Garrett's 9.09 "it's all better" video. He immediately said, "this guy is trying to hide what that thing is really doing!" I can't say that I disagree with him. Ignoring problems may be cheaper in the near term for Garrett, but in the long term it may cost them a lot of future sales and profits. Detectorist for the most part aren't going to use a detector or a company that they can't trust.

And yes, other companies have had rollout detector problems, (none that I recall to this extent) BUT a lot of it has to do with how those problems were acknowledged and addressed.
 
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