Legend v1.09 Mineralization Indicator help

[Indotguy]

Has anyone used the Mineralization Indicator on the Legend? I'm using freq. M1. I followed the instructions and can't get mine to do anything but display GI and FC on the right side, top half of the screen. What do you have to do to get the screen to change to show the Iron and Salt mineralization bars? The manual shows the screen with the mineralization bars but does not explain how to get there?

 

[oldkoot]

Has anyone used the Mineralization Indicator on the Legend? I'm using freq. M1. I followed the instructions and can't get mine to do anything but display GI and FC on the right side, top half of the screen. What do you have to do to get the screen to change to show the Iron and Salt mineralization bars? The manual shows the screen with the mineralization bars but does not explain how to get there?

The GI is ground indicator and when the GI is activated the Legend Ferro Check has now changed and is now the Mineral meter, the left side of the meter will be Iron particles in the ground and the right side of that same meter will be salt content in the ground when you want the ferro check back on change it to the FC

if you want to see how mineralized the ground you are detecting is switch it to GI and swing over your ground and look at what once was the ferro check, it is now reading the mineralization in your ground, again left side is iron particles and right side is salt content, on the ground I detect that meter on the left side is pegged at 10 bars most of the time which means I have extreme amounts of iron particles in my ground I.E (magnetite) and on the right side will be 4-6 bars of salt Content, by that meter I detect ground that is on the extreme side of mineralization.

I use the mineral meter all the time

 

[Indotguy]

Thanks for the response oldkoot but I understand the purpose of the Mineralization Indicator. The problem is I cannot get it to work on my unit. When I follow the instructions in the manual all I get is the GI to FC screen. The mineralization bar (mineral meter) IS NOT displayed so obviously there is no way to check the soil mineralization. I'll just keep messing with it and see if I can figure it out.

 

[oldkoot]

Thanks for the response oldkoot but I understand the purpose of the Mineralization Indicator. The problem is I cannot get it to work on my unit. When I follow the instructions in the manual all I get is the GI to FC screen. The mineralization bar (mineral meter) IS NOT displayed so obviously there is no way to check the soil mineralization. I'll just keep messing with it and see if I can figure it out.

switch it to GI and go swing over some ground in your yard

and it only works if you are in one of the Multi frequency modes M1,M2,M3

I do not believe it works in single frequency mode, but I may be wrong in that, when you are in single frequency mode the left meter is there and the right meter is not, but I have not ran the GI in single frequency mode

activate the GI in one of the Multi Frequencies and go out into your yard and swing over some ground and you will notice those graph's are working

I do know that you have to get out of the screen that you are on to change FC to GI because the mineral meter bars will not be displayed while on that screen to select the FC or GI to get out of that screen click the pin point button once to go into the detection mode

 

[Digging Prayers]

switch it to GI and go swing over some ground in your yard

and it only works if you are in one of the Multi frequency modes M1,M2,M3

I do not believe it works in single frequency mode, but I may be wrong in that, when you are in single frequency mode the left meter is there and the right meter is not, but I have not ran the GI in single frequency mode

activate the GI in one of the Multi Frequencies and go out into your yard and swing over some ground and you will notice those graph's are working

I do know that you have to get out of the screen that you are on to change FC to GI because the mineral meter bars will not be displayed while on that screen to select the FC or GI to get out of that screen click the pin point button once to go into the detection mode

Thank you, I was just looking for that.

 

[markinswpa]

Has anyone used the Mineralization Indicator on the Legend? I'm using freq. M1. I followed the instructions and can't get mine to do anything but display GI and FC on the right side, top half of the screen. What do you have to do to get the screen to change to show the Iron and Salt mineralization bars? The manual shows the screen with the mineralization bars but does not explain how to get there?

 

[markinswpa]

Has anyone used the Mineralization Indicator on the Legend? I'm using freq. M1. I followed the instructions and can't get mine to do anything but display GI and FC on the right side, top half of the screen. What do you have to do to get the screen to change to show the Iron and Salt mineralization bars? The manual shows the screen with the mineralization bars but does not explain how to get there?

I did think the manual was kinda vague on that.

 

[jmaclen]

Press the ground balance button to go into ground balance mode. Toggle between FC and GI by using the pinpoint button. Make sure it says GI. Leave ground balance mode by pressing the ground balance button again. Now you are in detection mode with the left and right vertical bar graphs in the same place. Pump the coil gently and move it left to right close to the ground while watching the left iron mineralization graph. Salt graph is on the right.

To get back to Ferro Check- GB button-Pinpoint button toggle to FC-GB button.

 

[AirmetTango]

Press the ground balance button to go into ground balance mode. Toggle between FC and GI by using the pinpoint button. Make sure it says GI. Leave ground balance mode by pressing the ground balance button again. Now you are in detection mode with the left and right vertical bar graphs in the same place. Pump the coil gently and move it left to right close to the ground while watching the left iron mineralization graph. Salt graph is on the right.

To get back to Ferro Check- GB button-Pinpoint button toggle to FC-GB button.

Is this a difference between 1.09 and 1.11? Using 1.11 software, the procedure jmaclen outlines above is correct, except you need to press the discrimination button to switch between FC and GI, not the pinpoint button.

I did think the manual was kinda vague on that.

Yeah, it is. Overall I’m pretty disappointed in the Legend manual - many things are extremely vague or incomplete, and the mineralization meter section is a perfect example of both. It’s rather silly, in my opinion, that Nokta doesn’t mention the need to go back to detect mode for the mineralization meter to function. Simply adding a sentence like “Press ground balance to return to detect mode and use the selected meter” would go a long way to avoid the confusion experienced by the OP and surely others. I know it took me more than a couple minutes of experimentation to figure it out on my own when I bought mine, which was frustrating. But even more importantly, I think it’s inexcusable that the manual doesn’t include any information on how to properly use the meter. I’ve never owned a machine with a mineralization meter before, so I felt a bit in the dark with no guidance at all from the manual. Since the selection function was in the ground balance section, I made the assumption it worked like ground balancing…pump the coil up and down. Or should I swing normally and it works like Ferrocheck does, since it hijacks the FC display? Will either method work? Overall, the manual leaves a LOT to be desired throughout, and this section is just one of many glaring shortcomings.

For what it’s worth, here is the full Mineralizarion Meter section from the v1.11 manual:

 

[jmaclen]

Is this a difference between 1.09 and 1.11? Using 1.11 software, the procedure jmaclen outlines above is correct, except you need to press the discrimination button to switch between FC and GI, not the pinpoint button.



Yeah, it is. Overall I’m pretty disappointed in the Legend manual - many things are extremely vague or incomplete, and the mineralization meter section is a perfect example of both. It’s rather silly, in my opinion, that Nokta doesn’t mention the need to go back to detect mode for the mineralization meter to function. Simply adding a sentence like “Press ground balance to return to detect mode and use the selected meter” would go a long way to avoid the confusion experienced by the OP and surely others. I know it took me more than a couple minutes of experimentation to figure it out on my own when I bought mine, which was frustrating. But even more importantly, I think it’s inexcusable that the manual doesn’t include any information on how to properly use the meter. I’ve never owned a machine with a mineralization meter before, so I felt a bit in the dark with no guidance at all from the manual. Since the selection function was in the ground balance section, I made the assumption it worked like ground balancing…pump the coil up and down. Or should I swing normally and it works like Ferrocheck does, since it hijacks the FC display? Will either method work? Overall, the manual leaves a LOT to be desired throughout, and this section is just one of many glaring shortcomings.

For what it’s worth, here is the full Mineralizarion Meter section from the v1.11 manual:

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You are correct about the discrimination pattern button on instead of the pinpoint button use for toggling between FC and GI. I wish this site let us edit after 2 hours.

 

[markinswpa]

Is this a difference between 1.09 and 1.11? Using 1.11 software, the procedure jmaclen outlines above is correct, except you need to press the discrimination button to switch between FC and GI, not the pinpoint button.



Yeah, it is. Overall I’m pretty disappointed in the Legend manual - many things are extremely vague or incomplete, and the mineralization meter section is a perfect example of both. It’s rather silly, in my opinion, that Nokta doesn’t mention the need to go back to detect mode for the mineralization meter to function. Simply adding a sentence like “Press ground balance to return to detect mode and use the selected meter” would go a long way to avoid the confusion experienced by the OP and surely others. I know it took me more than a couple minutes of experimentation to figure it out on my own when I bought mine, which was frustrating. But even more importantly, I think it’s inexcusable that the manual doesn’t include any information on how to properly use the meter. I’ve never owned a machine with a mineralization meter before, so I felt a bit in the dark with no guidance at all from the manual. Since the selection function was in the ground balance section, I made the assumption it worked like ground balancing…pump the coil up and down. Or should I swing normally and it works like Ferrocheck does, since it hijacks the FC display? Will either method work? Overall, the manual leaves a LOT to be desired throughout, and this section is just one of many glaring shortcomings.

For what it’s worth, here is the full Mineralizarion Meter section from the v1.11 manual:

View attachment 591740

Like you Ben I've never had a machine with a mineralization meter and for me that was one of the selling features .I did eventually figure it out. Didn't know about swinging the coil side to side while pumping up an down. Next time I use it I'll give it a try. So I wonder if the readings are accurate by only pumping the coil. Yeah with out stating the procedure in the manual how's a person to know that, particularly if someone is new to the hobby. I'm sure Nokta will clarify the oversight sooner or later. That was another selling point, the fact they work so closely with their customer base. I only have about 70 hours on the machine. I would like to get at least 100 before I post my likes and dislikes. We have a nice stretch of weather this week, hope you can get out. Mark

 

[AirmetTango]

Like you Ben I've never had a machine with a mineralization meter and for me that was one of the selling features .I did eventually figure it out. Didn't know about swinging the coil side to side while pumping up an down. Next time I use it I'll give it a try. So I wonder if the readings are accurate by only pumping the coil. Yeah with out stating the procedure in the manual how's a person to know that, particularly if someone is new to the hobby. I'm sure Nokta will clarify the oversight sooner or later. That was another selling point, the fact they work so closely with their customer base. I only have about 70 hours on the machine. I would like to get at least 100 before I post my likes and dislikes. We have a nice stretch of weather this week, hope you can get out. Mark

Agreed, the mineralization meter is one of the features that piqued my interest toward the Legend. And don’t get me wrong - there is definitely a huge difference between being disappointed in the manual and being disappointed in the machine! Every machine has it’s strengths and weaknesses performance-wise, and as expected, I’m developing a list of pros, cons, and a more than a few I-don’t-know-yets as I learn the machine. I’ve only got about 30 hours on the Legend so far, and like you, I don’t want to go too far into specific likes and dislikes until I have at least 50-100 hours on it. But I will say that I’ve been impressed with the machine many times on hunts so far!

I guess I’m still not sure what the best or most accurate method for the mineralization meter is…I’ve used side to side and pumping separately (but not in combination as jmaclen seems to suggest above), and it turns out most of my sites have registered as 1 bar or less so far! Hard to compare readings when there aren’t any! I know, I know…rough problem to have, right??

Anyways, work has been ramping up just in time to coincide with the weather warm up, but I’ll have some down time during a 3 day trip to NJ this week. I might be able to get out on Wednesday, and try the meter again on some “foreign” soil!

 

[Jose159]

How is knowing your mineralization a benefit ? Does this help determine what adjustments are needed?

 

[oldkoot]

How is knowing your mineralization a benefit ? Does this help determine what adjustments are needed?

The one thing knowing how mineralized your ground is, it helps to determine why a detector might be reacting to the ground so much with a lot of chatter, and false signals.

most people want to crank up the sensitivity to max and then they wonder why their detector is going nuts giving false signals on everything, its most likely either high mineralization or EMI

(Max Sensitivity does not always translate to more DEPTH) contrary to what some believe sometimes running to high of sensitivity can actually cost you DEPTH, because of all the minerals in the ground

I will give you an example on a couple different areas i detect one area when I activate the Mineralization meter in the Legend shows 1 or 2 bars or no bars on the left side of the mineralization meter which indicates there is very little iron particles in the ground I:E (Magnetite) and on the right side no bars indicating there is no salt content or very little, that particular site I can crank the legend up on the sensitivity and it will still run stable

I also have a few other sites that when I activate the mineralization meter in the Legend the left side indicating Iron Particles in ground literally pegs at 10 bars and the right side of that meter (Salt content in ground) is running 5-7 or 8 bars, on this particular ground I am lucky if I can set my sensitivity to 20 and a lot of times I have to drop my sens down even further to get the legend to run stable, I have a few times in areas like this had to go as low as 15-16 on my sensitivity to be able to quiet the Legend down enough to allow me to still detect

Being a nugget hunter knowing how mineralized the ground is can be the determining factor as to whether I use a VLF or my PI (Pulse Induction) detector, that mineralization meter also is very handy at tracking the black sands I:E (Magnetite) in the ground

 

[Jose159]

Thanks,,,,very helpful explanation!

 

[markinmichigan]

Great advice good Sir. You've got my respect for sure. I follow you over multiple websites because you know the Legend. Your posts have helped me immensely.

Mark in Michigan