I Think This Might Be The #1 Reason We Have So Much Competition Today

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I've been giving more thought about the increased competition we face today, and I can't believe I either forgot or didn't think of this earlier. Countless posts have discussed this before, and I’ve jumped in as well mentioning things like the increasing prices of gold & silver, more detector manufacturers, more choices, hi-tech waterproof SMF detectors at more affordable prices, etc. If you’ve been detecting for 5, 10, 15, 20 years, all of those make sense, but we all still seem to be scratching our heads, trying to figure out where all this additional competition has come from.

But after giving it more thought, it finally dawned on me. IMHO, I think the #1 reason we have such increased competition these days is due to AWARENESS. Sure, of course the increasing value of gold & silver plays a big part, but they wouldn't be able to play such a big part in our hobby unless it was due to AWARENESS of our hobby. Here’s what I mean.

I started detecting as a kid 56 years ago (1969), so in my case, I have the benefit of being able to look back in time, as I started when the hobby itself was just getting started. So I, and other old timers, can look back in time to compare the hobby then to the hobby now. Back in the early days, if people out on a beach saw someone swinging a metal detector, they wouldn’t go up and ask him if he found anything, they’d ask him what was he doing. That’s because back then, metal detecting was an “under the radar” hobby. You’d only know about it if you happened to see or knew someone with a detector, read some treasure hunting stories, maybe saw an ad for a detector in a Tabloid, etc. It wasn’t a well known hobby back then like it is today.

Back then, as a kid, I read treasure hunting stories, books about pirates & shipwrecks, the Readers Digest story about Oak Island, all that type of stuff, and I dreamed of finding treasure. I’d scan through the classifieds of the Tabloid’s my mom bought at the grocery store, looking for metal detector ads. Back then, the detectors in the classifieds were “off brands” that would look like toys today. But to me, they were magical. So in 1969, my mom bought me a Heathkit detector after I saw it in one of their catalogs. The Heathkit was a BFO that we had to build ourselves. And when I say build, I don’t just mean assemble, we had to actually build the detector from scratch, so that meant soldering the components to the pcb, soldering and connecting wires, etc. So, it was just me, I’d take the detector to the playground in our community and hunt through the woods looking for “buried treasure”, lol.

Sometime in 1971, I talked my mom into upgrading me a White’s Coinmaster IV (TR). The local dealer that we bought it from just happened to be the President of a newly formed Metal Detecting Club, so we joined. I got to meet other treasure hunters, got to see other detectors and brands that I had only seen in catalogs, got to participate in club sponsored hunts as well as larger regional hunts, so I was now part of a community of TH’ers. I use this to illustrate that back then, ours was what I would call a “word of mouth” type hobby. You either had to know someone, stumble across the hobby, or be very interested in the hobby and took the time to seek out others. And researching took a LOT more time back then than today. I’d either have to write a letter or call White’s or Garrett to request a current catalog. I vividly remember looking through the Garrett catalog and literally drooling over those cool looking green detectors, lol.

So, what’s changed from them until now? We now have the internet, and getting any information we want only takes a few seconds. Today, I can come up with a list of every detector manufacturer, their websites, and have access to every model detector made, in just minutes. Back then, it would have probably taken me a year or more to find all this information, and I’d have to write letters or make phone calls to request more information. But today, anything I want to know, see, or learn about is just seconds away with a few taps of my keyboard. Everybody has internet access, and they can just jump on YouTube to watch videos of detectorists pulling cheddar from beach sands, or snorkeling/diving underwater. And when the average person, who may have never thought about metal detecting, see’s a video of gold rings being pulled from a beach with a detector, their subconscious “gold fever” takes over, and suddenly, they become very interested in getting a detector and finding some of that gold for themselves.

But back when the hobby was first getting started, the barrier to entry was a lot higher. You had to know that metal detectors existed, or knew someone who had one, or seen someone swinging one. It took a lot more effort and time back then to research the hobby and even to find out where you could buy a detector, lol. But today, because the internet has given every one instant access to information, and YouTube video’s allow people to see our hobby in action, along with some of the incredible finds that can be made, I think that’s the #1 reason why we have so much more competition today. The mass marketing of metal detecting via the internet has created more and more people interested in our hobby that probably wouldn’t have ever been interested if the internet didn’t exist.

Would love to hear thoughts/comments from other old timers here who can also look back in time. I’m sure they may have had similar experiences that I had.
 
Sure, the internet broke it wide open. Not so much a dedicated forum like this, but youtube in particular, guys posting their sensational finds non stop, legit or not, got 10,000's of others thinking they could do the same as well - And why not ? They potentially can, with effort, research and luck. The guys who think they are going to find a buried treasure chest on the first hunt, and are sorely disappointed when they don't, are the ones that don't last ,, They may even be a majority, but the cycle continues with fresh meat dreamers from youtube.

Can also tell for a fact that what broke detecting in the water wide open was the At Pro. Before that, you'd have to spend at least $1,700 to get in the water, AT cut that in half, and it had big results. Theres this one beach that doesn't allow detecting until after Labor Day, literally the day after, you can detect. I went there a few years before the AT the day after, detecting the sand, wet sand and maybe a couple ft into the water with my Ace 400. Year after year, there were 3 guys in the water, 2 of them were brothers, and me and perhaps another guy or 2 in the sand. The year the AT came out, I got one. Went to that beach the day after Labor Day, and there was at least 15-20 guys in the water, almost all with AT Pros. I got there before it was light, guys were out there with headlights detecting in the water.
I still managed to find a couple rings, but I could tell the guys that have been detecting the water for years the day after were aghast at all the competition.
Now of course, there are even cheaper and perhaps better options than the AT [I still use it in the water], but it had a big effect, and turned an exclusive, small club into a feeding frenzy.
 
Craig is correct. There should be a section on books. We are very similar in the time frame growing up to detecting. I remember hunting beaches and wouldn't see another hunter for 3-4 weeks , no matter which beach I'd hit. Can't go a day now without seeing at least 3 or 4. Weekends I stopped counting at 25. There have always been guys/clubs detecting since the 70s , but most have dropped dead. Most clubs are a few noobs and old farts reliving their glory years confined to a 80' litter box tits to elbows. Ive been asked many times to join. But as Groucho Marx once said " I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member." Go spend 2 days reading my posts on your subject. But I will give you the cliff notes from a book I could write for the umpteenth time...

The proliferation of md'rs didn't really explode until 2007/08. When the financial crisis hit hard with mortgage fraud. It's cascade affected the whole country. Metals prices started the climb and haven't looked back since.

I then noticed damn near every unemployed male under the age of 45 out on the beach trying to strike it rich. Some succeeded , most failed. This was a time when cellphones were really taking off and soon the smartphone. Then a few years later the YouTube explosion. It was nothing back then. One of my friends was 1 of the 1st to start a channel out here and he still makes some $ off it. So yes , technology has played a huge part in the exposure of the hobby. But I can guarantee you this , if Gold was $250 an ounce , you wouldn't have the numbers hunting for it. Just the pure hobbiest. Oddly , you would also have more people wearing Gold.

Damn I miss the old days...
 
I've been giving more thought about the increased competition we face today, and I can't believe I either forgot or didn't think of this earlier. Countless posts have discussed this before, and I’ve jumped in as well mentioning things like the increasing prices of gold & silver, more detector manufacturers, more choices, hi-tech waterproof SMF detectors at more affordable prices, etc. If you’ve been detecting for 5, 10, 15, 20 years, all of those make sense, but we all still seem to be scratching our heads, trying to figure out where all this additional competition has come from.

But after giving it more thought, it finally dawned on me. IMHO, I think the #1 reason we have such increased competition these days is due to AWARENESS. Sure, of course the increasing value of gold & silver plays a big part, but they wouldn't be able to play such a big part in our hobby unless it was due to AWARENESS of our hobby. Here’s what I mean.

I started detecting as a kid 56 years ago (1969), so in my case, I have the benefit of being able to look back in time, as I started when the hobby itself was just getting started. So I, and other old timers, can look back in time to compare the hobby then to the hobby now. Back in the early days, if people out on a beach saw someone swinging a metal detector, they wouldn’t go up and ask him if he found anything, they’d ask him what was he doing. That’s because back then, metal detecting was an “under the radar” hobby. You’d only know about it if you happened to see or knew someone with a detector, read some treasure hunting stories, maybe saw an ad for a detector in a Tabloid, etc. It wasn’t a well known hobby back then like it is today.

Back then, as a kid, I read treasure hunting stories, books about pirates & shipwrecks, the Readers Digest story about Oak Island, all that type of stuff, and I dreamed of finding treasure. I’d scan through the classifieds of the Tabloid’s my mom bought at the grocery store, looking for metal detector ads. Back then, the detectors in the classifieds were “off brands” that would look like toys today. But to me, they were magical. So in 1969, my mom bought me a Heathkit detector after I saw it in one of their catalogs. The Heathkit was a BFO that we had to build ourselves. And when I say build, I don’t just mean assemble, we had to actually build the detector from scratch, so that meant soldering the components to the pcb, soldering and connecting wires, etc. So, it was just me, I’d take the detector to the playground in our community and hunt through the woods looking for “buried treasure”, lol.

Sometime in 1971, I talked my mom into upgrading me a White’s Coinmaster IV (TR). The local dealer that we bought it from just happened to be the President of a newly formed Metal Detecting Club, so we joined. I got to meet other treasure hunters, got to see other detectors and brands that I had only seen in catalogs, got to participate in club sponsored hunts as well as larger regional hunts, so I was now part of a community of TH’ers. I use this to illustrate that back then, ours was what I would call a “word of mouth” type hobby. You either had to know someone, stumble across the hobby, or be very interested in the hobby and took the time to seek out others. And researching took a LOT more time back then than today. I’d either have to write a letter or call White’s or Garrett to request a current catalog. I vividly remember looking through the Garrett catalog and literally drooling over those cool looking green detectors, lol.

So, what’s changed from them until now? We now have the internet, and getting any information we want only takes a few seconds. Today, I can come up with a list of every detector manufacturer, their websites, and have access to every model detector made, in just minutes. Back then, it would have probably taken me a year or more to find all this information, and I’d have to write letters or make phone calls to request more information. But today, anything I want to know, see, or learn about is just seconds away with a few taps of my keyboard. Everybody has internet access, and they can just jump on YouTube to watch videos of detectorists pulling cheddar from beach sands, or snorkeling/diving underwater. And when the average person, who may have never thought about metal detecting, see’s a video of gold rings being pulled from a beach with a detector, their subconscious “gold fever” takes over, and suddenly, they become very interested in getting a detector and finding some of that gold for themselves.

But back when the hobby was first getting started, the barrier to entry was a lot higher. You had to know that metal detectors existed, or knew someone who had one, or seen someone swinging one. It took a lot more effort and time back then to research the hobby and even to find out where you could buy a detector, lol. But today, because the internet has given every one instant access to information, and YouTube video’s allow people to see our hobby in action, along with some of the incredible finds that can be made, I think that’s the #1 reason why we have so much more competition today. The mass marketing of metal detecting via the internet has created more and more people interested in our hobby that probably wouldn’t have ever been interested if the internet didn’t exist.

Would love to hear thoughts/comments from other old timers here who can also look back in time. I’m sure they may have had similar experiences that I had.
Still have my Coin Master from 1976 , I use it to test AA batteries , open the back door , put the battery in , voltage comes up on the meter , other than that , the technology has changed so much , depth differences are the difference between day & night , seen a lot of those beginners on the beach yesterday , those Bounty Hunter's were there swinging machine of choice , happy hunting !
 
Makes sense, Sand Hunter. I consider myself very lucky. As far as I know, I am the only detectorist in a well-known old town like Dodge City. I know a few that own a metal detector, but they never use them.
 
Sure, the internet broke it wide open. Not so much a dedicated forum like this, but youtube in particular, guys posting their sensational finds non stop, legit or not, got 10,000's of others thinking they could do the same as well - And why not ? They potentially can, with effort, research and luck. The guys who think they are going to find a buried treasure chest on the first hunt, and are sorely disappointed when they don't, are the ones that don't last ,, They may even be a majority, but the cycle continues with fresh meat dreamers from youtube.

Can also tell for a fact that what broke detecting in the water wide open was the At Pro. Before that, you'd have to spend at least $1,700 to get in the water, AT cut that in half, and it had big results. Theres this one beach that doesn't allow detecting until after Labor Day, literally the day after, you can detect. I went there a few years before the AT the day after, detecting the sand, wet sand and maybe a couple ft into the water with my Ace 400. Year after year, there were 3 guys in the water, 2 of them were brothers, and me and perhaps another guy or 2 in the sand. The year the AT came out, I got one. Went to that beach the day after Labor Day, and there was at least 15-20 guys in the water, almost all with AT Pros. I got there before it was light, guys were out there with headlights detecting in the water.
I still managed to find a couple rings, but I could tell the guys that have been detecting the water for years the day after were aghast at all the competition.
Now of course, there are even cheaper and perhaps better options than the AT [I still use it in the water], but it had a big effect, and turned an exclusive, small club into a feeding frenzy.
Yeah, I agree about the AT Pro. I bought one first year they came out, but unfortunately, the first time I ventured more than knee deep into the water and submerged the AT Pro's control box, the screen flickered, then it died, got flooded. Garrett was great, they fixed and gave me some upgrades, but when I got it back, I never attempted to submerge it again, confidence was broken.

Now, seems all the SMF detectors from Minelab, XP, Nokta are waterproof.
 
Also keep in mind that the population of the US has essentially doubled since 1970. So theoretically there are twice as much drops but also twice as many detectorists.
But what I think what we are seeing is not a doubling, but an exponential increase in detectorist. Because it's just human nature not to chase anything that is hard to do with little reward, but with the increase in people and the ease and availability of modern detectors, coupled with the ability to monetize the hobby, there are more people out there now than ever. You have YouTube, sponsors, dealers, and all kinds of social media that could make you famous nowadays so now you attract even those who have very little interest in the hobby but just want to make money.
Just my thoughts on the subject. So far haven't seen a point made that I didn't agree with. Like most things, it's just progress. Good or bad, we got to deal with it.
 
It is all very good and educational, but this year's numbers beat last year's numbers by far. I'd say the population of guys and girls with detectors doubled or tripled in my area. You are never alone any more. Of course it is anecdotal evidence but... We "old timers" discuss the issue every time we meet this year. So I am not the only one who noticed.
 
Also keep in mind that the population of the US has essentially doubled since 1970. So theoretically there are twice as much drops but also twice as many detectorists.
Great point, I always seem to forget about our population expanding.

But what I think what we are seeing is not a doubling, but an exponential increase in detectorist. Because it's just human nature not to chase anything that is hard to do with little reward, but with the increase in people and the ease and availability of modern detectors, coupled with the ability to monetize the hobby, there are more people out there now than ever.
I think everybody has a bit of "gold fever" in their subconscious. Most people, it stays dormant. But some, when they're exposed to an opportunity to find gold, that "gold fever" surfaces and when they once didn't even know what detecting was, or never gave it a thought, all of a sudden that "gold fever" leads them to generate an interest in our hobby.

You have YouTube, sponsors, dealers, and all kinds of social media that could make you famous nowadays so now you attract even those who have very little interest in the hobby but just want to make money.
There are some YouTube channels I like, with detectorists I respect, but there are a lot of them that I think are in for the wrong reasons, but I can usually tell due to their lack of passion. Can also usually tell by the way they swing their coil, lol.

Just my thoughts on the subject. So far haven't seen a point made that I didn't agree with. Like most things, it's just progress. Good or bad, we got to deal with it.
Yeah, it is what it is. But this is where I think the wheat gets separated from the chaff. The ones in it just for money, or fame, or whatever, but not for the love of the hobby and the history it allows us to hold in our hands, I think they'll get tired quickly and move on to something easier, but they'll probably get replaced by the next batch looking for easy riches.
 
It is all very good and educational, but this year's numbers beat last year's numbers by far. I'd say the population of guys and girls with detectors doubled or tripled in my area. You are never alone any more. Of course it is anecdotal evidence but... We "old timers" discuss the issue every time we meet this year. So I am not the only one who noticed.
Doubled or Tripled? Wow, that's some serious growth in just a year. What I try to keep in mind is all those people, along with the increase in detectorists in my area, they're all newbies. Big numbers may look like a big army, but if they haven't yet learned how to shoot, they're just standing there taking up space. Experience counts, and us old timers have experience that the newbies won't have for many, many years. And that's if they stick with it through the good and bad times.
 
Doubled or Tripled? Wow, that's some serious growth in just a year. What I try to keep in mind is all those people, along with the increase in detectorists in my area, they're all newbies. Big numbers may look like a big army, but if they haven't yet learned how to shoot, they're just standing there taking up space. Experience counts, and us old timers have experience that the newbies won't have for many, many years. And that's if they stick with it through the good and bad times.
Honestly , experience doesn't matter as much as it used to. Because that all changed during the 2nd detecting boom back in early 2018 , with the introduction of the Nox. Just about any guy could turn on and go with the default settings and make some finds. Everybody then had one. And the eruption of hunters on the beach was nothing compared to 2007/08. Now , what does matter are the Experienced Elite detectorists. They know the machine , have got their local beaches down to a science. Because they've studied and hunted them for decades. And there are very , very few of those guys left....
 
lose lips sink ships you find gold or anything of value you tell your friends
or joe blow and you wonder WHY you cannot find anything of value ? 2=2=4
been 3 years with zero gold here only one who seems to come a head is FELIX
i don't care if you tell me location location that is pure trash
sorry it is what it is i am talking about beach hunting only
 
lose lips sink ships you find gold or anything of value you tell your friends
or joe blow and you wonder WHY you cannot find anything of value ? 2=2=4
been 3 years with zero gold here only one who seems to come a head is FELIX
i don't care if you tell me location location that is pure trash
sorry it is what it is i am talking about beach hunting only
O'side , CB , Tammy ...no good huh ?🤔
 
I have been detecting a long time also, started with a used Coinmaster IV in 1973. However, I welcome everyone into the hobby, we need more enthusiasts, that's what drives the sport and results in newer technologies in metal detector gear. I do admit that myself and many other TH'ers are solitary hunters, not unfriendly but prefer to hunt alone and unbothered by a crowd. I think those days are gone if your a beach hunter.
 
The Information Age changed how people think about; and act/react to everything. IMO, it has made two things WAY worse. 1) Instant gratification 2) fear of missing out (FOMO). Every fleeting thought generates an internet search, followed by thousands of videos on the subject. This phenomenon is NOT limited to MD'ing. As humans, we have been fundamentally changed in how we cover our minimum basic needs and spend our disposable time & income.

Welcome to the digital age.
 
Availability of information, easier to use detectors available at reasonable prices, financial incentives, and my personal
favorite is that there was a hugely disproportionate population increase along the coasts compared to inland and the central
US. So not only is it easier to find info and be introduced to the hobby but there are massively more people too. An AI
search on Gemini showed a growth of people living in coastal counties from 47.4 million people in 1960 to roughly 129
million in 2020. It expects that number to be about 131 million in 2025. That's a far larger pool of people to draw from
and doesn't even consider people like me who live inland but are close enough to drive to the coast to fish or detect...
 
Craig is correct. There should be a section on books. We are very similar in the time frame growing up to detecting. I remember hunting beaches and wouldn't see another hunter for 3-4 weeks , no matter which beach I'd hit. Can't go a day now without seeing at least 3 or 4. Weekends I stopped counting at 25. There have always been guys/clubs detecting since the 70s , but most have dropped dead. Most clubs are a few noobs and old farts reliving their glory years confined to a 80' litter box tits to elbows. Ive been asked many times to join. But as Groucho Marx once said " I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member." Go spend 2 days reading my posts on your subject. But I will give you the cliff notes from a book I could write for the umpteenth time...

The proliferation of md'rs didn't really explode until 2007/08. When the financial crisis hit hard with mortgage fraud. It's cascade affected the whole country. Metals prices started the climb and haven't looked back since.

I then noticed damn near every unemployed male under the age of 45 out on the beach trying to strike it rich. Some succeeded , most failed. This was a time when cellphones were really taking off and soon the smartphone. Then a few years later the YouTube explosion. It was nothing back then. One of my friends was 1 of the 1st to start a channel out here and he still makes some $ off it. So yes , technology has played a huge part in the exposure of the hobby. But I can guarantee you this , if Gold was $250 an ounce , you wouldn't have the numbers hunting for it. Just the pure hobbiest. Oddly , you would also have more people wearing Gold.

Damn I miss the old days...
I still see just about no one hunting where I hunt... then again I am not going to a regular beach most times, I hunt places that were beaches back in the day... anyone can find them but most are too lazy to do the research... and I won't give them any clues...

These long posts, I can't read them, I read first few lines then my eyes glaze over :yes: MY ADD good for something I guess.
 
Maybe not #1 but another possible competitor, would be the "Ring Finders" .. No doubt they cost fresh drop hunters a small percentage of the gold lost and the advantage is, they know right where the area of the lose happened. I do believe most of those guys are experienced hunters that seen the light, I'm not finding any gold so why not have someone tell me where it is, I find it and they pay me.

Luckily I'm right there with Craig, Unless I bring someone with me I never see anyone hunting where I hunt.
 
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