I lost something I didn’t have.

[MasonDixonMding]

A couple of weeks ago I meet my old business partner at his place and we went detecting across the street from his place in the neighbors field. It’s all open field now. I found the old home site. It may had been detected by a night hawk? But there where still signals there and in the short time I was there I found a 2 cent piece. I call the owner yesterday to get permission to go out this Saturday. She told me no. Than I found out that my partner never got permission. I apologized. So I was detecting her property without permission. I guess you can’t lose what you didn’t have? It’s a good looking site I was thinking there may have been another home site out there somewhere. I was really looking forward to working this site. The owner is a nice lady. I’m not giving up on it. I plan on sending a Christmas card apologizing again and put my business card in with it.

 

[markinmichigan]

I can see why he is you ex partner, he kept a slight secret from you when you went into that field. It's too bad, sounded promising. I wouldn't wait until Christmas to send that card. Hopefully she isn't too hot and bothered. Good luck.

Mark in Michigan

 

[hoser]

That is a shame. I agree with Mark about sending her a card with an apology. Being as you are nice, that may give her the incentive to granting you the permission. If so, for Gods sake don't tell your ex partner.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

.... It’s all open field now. ...

You mean, like as in vacant lot ? Like these pix perhaps ? If so, the looming issue is : Take the shortcut trail, or stay-on-sidewalks, eh ?

 

[MasonDixonMding]

This isn’t the field I’m talking about but they look similar. Both have rolling hill and both had beans in them. Great swinging.

 

[FliesOnly]

You mean, like as in vacant lot ? Like these pix perhaps ? If so, the looming issue is : Take the shortcut trail, or stay-on-sidewalks, eh ?

Let's not equate walking the shortcut with detecting the shortcut.

 

[FliesOnly]

The owner is a nice lady. I’m not giving up on it. I plan on sending a Christmas card apologizing again and put my business card in with it.

Did you offer her the 2-cent piece? That may go a long way towards getting permission.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Let's not equate walking the shortcut with detecting the shortcut.

Here's why /how I got that ^ ^ "aha moment" ^ ^ : One time, a post came on the forum here, where a person had multiple photos of a cellar hole . Or foundation outline or something like that. They had been walking their dog through the forest, and came upon it. They circle it 360*, taking the photos to share. Since they'd deduced it had been some sort of habitation.

And their question to the fellow forumites was : "How to get permission to detect it". I can't remember if they were walking on some sort of public land (city or county or whatever), versus if it was some form of private land. But suffice it to say, it was just an area where "people walk their dogs" or hike, or take a short-cut path, etc....

And as I read this person's post, and looked at their pictures, it suddenly occurred to me that : OBVIOUSLY they were "standing right there" (lest how else could they have taken those pictures ?). Thus the mere act of simply "being there", apparently was a non-issue (can we agree on that, so far ?). So THEN the only issue, to this person, was : "Can I detect ?"


And at THAT point, is where you and I differ F/O : I do not see md'ing as any more evil that "walking your dog", or "hiking" or "taking the shortcut path". If the latter are innocuous and harmless (and we agree that they're a non-issue), then : Since when is md'ing inherently evil ? Such that it needs express sanction and red-carpet's rolled-out ?

Anyhow, I know we've had this conversation before. And that's fine . Love ya bro !!

 

[FliesOnly]

And at THAT point, is where you and I differ F/O :

Pretty much. yes.

I do not see md'ing as any more evil that "walking your dog", or "hiking" or "taking the shortcut path". If the latter are innocuous and harmless (and we agree that they're a non-issue), then :

Because when "walking your dog", or "hiking", or "taking the shortcut path" on a parcel of land that is privately owned, you would only be breaking the law if the piece of land in question was posted, fenced, or if the owner told you not to use the "path" in question, but you continued to do so. Each of those example would be considered as a trespass.

Since when is md'ing inherently evil ? Such that it needs express sanction and red-carpet's rolled-out ?

It's not inherently evil, and no one said that it is. However, to [legally] detect on private property, one does need to obtain permission. Why is this so hard to understand? Once permission has been given, the owner may or may not decide to roll out a red carpet, that would be their own decision to make, as I would not request one.

Anyhow, I know we've had this conversation before. And that's fine . Love ya bro !!

Yeah, we have had this conversation before...and you were just as incorrect then as you are now. Love ya too!!

 

[Tom_in_CA]

....... Each of those example would be considered as a trespass......

Ok then : For sake of argument, let's say it's : Not fenced and not posted. Since, as my post so clearly had said : It was just random forest, on the edge of this guys' town. Where ... apparently ... it was just where "people walked their dogs". Ie.: Apparently a non-issue to simply "be there". Thus, for sake of argument, let's assume : Not fenced nor posted. Then in THAT case case, can we agree F/O ?

Love ya bro !

 

[FliesOnly]

Ok then : For sake of argument, let's say it's : Not fenced and not posted. Since, as my post so clearly had said : It was just random forest, on the edge of this guys' town. Where ... apparently ... it was just where "people walked their dogs". Ie.: Apparently a non-issue to simply "be there". Thus, for sake of argument, let's assume : Not fenced nor posted. Then in THAT case case, can we agree F/O ?

Love ya bro !

I don't know...can you walk into some random jewelry store and legally remove items as long as the store doesn't have a "No Stealing" sign posted somewhere? Cuz that's essentially what you're asking. Look, it's easy to find out if a piece of property is privately or publicly owned. If it's private, then you will need to obtain permission before detecting. If it's public, then I guess you'd have to search the internet for any rules/laws as they relate to metal detecting in that location. Why? Well, again, because walking your dog through an area is NOT the same as removing items from the area.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

........"No Stealing".........

And there-in ^ ^ lies the difference between you and I ^ ^ As long as you define md'ing as "stealing" (evil, horrible, etc....) then yes : Everything you're saying is true. By all means : Grovel away.

 

[MasonDixonMding]

And there-in ^ ^ lies the difference between you and I ^ ^ As long as you define md'ing as "stealing" (evil, horrible, etc....) then yes : Everything you're saying is true. By all means : Grovel away.

If your on private property without permission and taking anything without permission from that property than you are stealing. Just because someone is nice enough to let people trespass on there property doesn’t mean they what people removing there property. So what if this same path had large gold nuggets laying on the ground. Worth thousands of dollars. Do you think the owner would consider you filling your pockets as you walk thru stealing.

Now I agree with you if it’s public I see no problems unless there are some rules posted for this property.

 

[FliesOnly]

And there-in ^ ^ lies the difference between you and I ^ ^ As long as you define md'ing as "stealing" (evil, horrible, etc....) then yes : Everything you're saying is true. By all means : Grovel away.

I do not define metal detecting as stealing. I do, however, define removing items from private property without permission as stealing. And I'm pretty sure that I'm not alone in doing so.