Could I spot some can slaw using a metal detector vs a gold ring? Even if the 2 read identical ID in meter for ID when sweeping? Hmm

[itsaring!]

It’s funny—you’re buying gold rings to test in your videos

Puts a new twist on TDS

 

[tnsharpshooter]

I’ll try to make a video this week. In your last video, you mentioned you’d pay to see it, so we’ll see if that still holds. Either way, I’m sure you’ll have something to say about it. I’m on this forum because I’m open to hearing different approaches and opinions. I gave your system a fair chance, but so far it hasn’t produced a single gold ring—or even a ring of real value. I’ll say this—where you hunt, I could dig 300+ targets an hour. In those “Styrofoam fields,” targets don’t sink.

It’s funny—you’re buying gold rings to test in your videos while I’m actually finding them, but somehow you’ve decided you’ve got it all figured out and everyone else is wrong.

Yeah I bought a size 5.5 gold ring. Why. Because I didn’t one that small to test. I bought 2 smaller titanium rings too and shared data.
Didn’t have either of these either.
I paid for them. You complaining.
I need them to verify the detector behavior moreso with this system I am using.
You really should go start your own thread.
And tell and how folks how good you are.
My system doesn’t make or create gold rings. Guess your system does.,lol
If it ain’t there in detectable range guess I won’t find.
Maybe I should take this coil and system to a gold ring zoo and test it, you reckon.
This thread is turning into an IQ test looks like.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I have done said system isn’t perfect. Will reject some pull rings with and without beaver tails and some square tabs depending even on their postion in the ground.
Does grand job of letting user know the can slaw is there high percentage of time even though it reads in gold ring range.
Does good job on zincoln Pennie’s especially the corroded and partial zincolns thst read in gold ring range.
Does good a lot of lead that reads in gold ring range.
........

I have a sneaking suspicion that some of those ^ ^ targets, that your system would say to "pass", could end up having been a : Gold item . Yes, even a round gold un-broken band.

Even you admit that targets are going to slip through , when you say : "...system isn't perfect.... " (Nor would we have expected it to be).

And I'll say it again TNS : I appreciate your passion.

 

[tnsharpshooter]

I have a sneaking suspicion that some of those ^ ^ targets, that your system would say to "pass", could end up having been a : Gold item . Yes, even a round gold un-broken band.

Even you admit that targets are going to slip through , when you say : "...system isn't perfect.... " (Nor would we have expected it to be).

And I'll say it again TNS : I appreciate your passion.

Thus far no failed target has turned out to be a ring,, gold, platinum, or lower- mid conductive junk ring.
This is all I can say.
I have dug a high percentage of the targets in total reporting in gold ring range. The fails and the passers (diggers).
Just because I have not dug w gold ring using it doesn’t make it a flawed system. Person should be looking at I call fails and it indeed turns out to;be junker. This is very Important. I couldn’t do with same certainty not using this system. Can slaw seems can be dismissed faster. Don’t even need to listen to tonal nuance/behavior. Other things too!

 

[TexasDigs]

Person should be looking at I call fails and it indeed turns out to;be junker. This is very Important. I couldn’t do with same certainty not using this system.

You don’t need a “system” to call junk targets in a park by digging low tones—most of those will be trash anyway, so that doesn’t prove anything. That’s the point: you’re not evaluating your approach objectively. If I went to a park and called every pull tab before digging it, would that make my system just as good as yours?

 

[tnsharpshooter]

You don’t need a “system” to call junk targets in a park by digging low tones—most of those will be trash anyway, so that doesn’t prove anything. That’s the point: you’re not evaluating your approach objectively. If I went to a park and called every pull tab before digging it, would that make my system just as good as yours?

Yeah, 45-60 reading signals with steady id. Could be a gold ring. When I switch freq and id doesn’t rise = bs target.
You should try the coil. And you’ll see what I am talking about. I don’t even have to study the audio. Hmm

 

[Tom_in_CA]

You don’t need a “system” to call junk targets in a park by digging low tones—most of those will be trash anyway, so that doesn’t prove anything. That’s the point: you’re not evaluating your approach objectively. If I went to a park and called every pull tab before digging it, would that make my system just as good as yours?

Good point ^ ^ . TNS does not have a "double blind system" in play.

But : Impressive, yes, that , as he says : " ...Thus far no failed target has turned out to be a ring,, gold, platinum ..."

But like you say Texas Digs : Any of us can go to any junky urban park, and simply dig ALL low conductors (with no "system" in play). And you could simply call every single one of them to be a : Reject bad target. And guess what ? You'd be right 99.9% of the time. Eh ? That's pretty impressive results !

But the moment any of them turned out to be a gold ring, all you'd have to do is say what TNS says about his system (and I quote) : " ..... I have done said system isn’t perfect.... "

 

[tnsharpshooter]

The supposed snake oil video is up for folks to watch. Tom gets multiple special recognition in this video. Hmm

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Good point ^ ^ . TNS does not have a "double blind system" in play.

But : Impressive, yes, that , as he says : " ...Thus far no failed target has turned out to be a ring,, gold, platinum ..."

But like you say Texas Digs : Any of us can go to any junky urban park, and simply dig ALL low conductors (with no "system" in play). And you could simply call every single one of them to be a : Reject bad target. And guess what ? You'd be right 99.9% of the time. Eh ? That's pretty impressive results !

But the moment any of them turned out to be a gold ring, all you'd have to do is say what TNS says about his system (and I quote) : " ..... I have done said system isn’t perfect.... "

You should start saving up for your future needed purchase.
For what exactly?
So you can buy plenty of towels to wipe all the layered egg off your face.

 

[KOB]

I sure do wish there were more guys out there on the beach with a "system". Guess we all have our own little "tricks of the trade". CB definitely has his test system down for sure. Backed by facts , science , even video ! And NO Gold .

My "system" is not being afraid of going behind guys who use these systems to see what they are NOT digging. Often because they over analyze , detector settings are wrong , not knowing the beach well enough or could be their hearing is off. A myriad of factors. It's amazing what one will find.

 

[Carl-NC]

Because there are similarities between the way TNS presents his claims, and the dowsers present their claims. Yes THE TOOL IN QUESTION is entirely different. But the open vs close-minded psychology (to explore or not explore critique) is similar between them.

I dunno... dowsing is one of those things that cannot possibly work beyond what intuition and luck allow. What TNS is describing may or may not be useful, or even work at all, but there is a physical reason that it might. Have you tried it?

 

[itsaring!]

I sure do wish there were more guys out there on the beach with a "system". Guess we all have our own little "tricks of the trade". CB definitely has his test system down for sure. Backed by facts , science , even video ! And NO Gold .

My "system" is not being afraid of going behind guys who use these systems to see what they are NOT digging. Often because they over analyze , detector settings are wrong , not knowing the beach well enough or could be their hearing is off. A myriad of factors. It's amazing what one will find.

If you say for example lay down grid pattern on a beach. The old north to south,east to west, parallel, vertical, horizontal, in the same area. Ask yourself if you ever used any metal detector that found it all in the initial direction. Or if circling all the targets sounded exactly the same all the way around. It works in your back yard in a test. It never works in nature. You found more by laying down a grid. Not by wandering around like a drunk sailor. But then add in the tides coming in. What you miss hunting a grid pattern in the time it took to detect an area. You never know. Ever notice targets can just magically appear when the tide changes? Is it salt minerals in the air?

 

[KOB]

If you say for example lay down grid pattern on a beach. The old north to south,east to west, parallel, vertical, horizontal, in the same area. Ask yourself if you ever used any metal detector that found it all in the initial direction. Or if circling all the targets sounded exactly the same all the way around. It works in your back yard in a test. It never works in nature. You found more by laying down a grid. Not by wandering around like a drunk sailor. But then add in the tides coming in. What you miss hunting a grid pattern in the time it took to detect an area. You never know. Ever notice targets can just magically appear when the tide changes? Is it salt minerals in the air?

Spot on bro. I used to just go east to west in a very tight pattern back n forth. Thought that was good enough. Nope ! So then ( a few years later) also added north to south ...and found even more that I thought I covered. Nope ! A couple more years go by and then added diagonal across all of it. I'd step back and admire my bombed out airstrip ! That pretty much covered it in extreme target filled areas. Very time consuming. Always wondering on the areas I couldn't get to until the next day. Must be the salt air. Lol

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Ok,
More data here. This system won’t work on gold items that are not ring shaped. There are no dependable parallels seen sweeping these items. I witnessed same thing sweeping some non ring shaped non gold jewelry items as well.
Digging dude showed the gold items in video. I asked him to do this. I applaud him for his work here. He checked all using 29 kHz MF chsnnel 0 and 89 kHz MF channel 6 as well as looked at each with 120 kHz single freq. As long as folks are aware of this - is a good thing. He does show few gold rings in video as well. Results here didn’t surprise me one bit. This is the why behind the protocol I have been using and expecting to see on such unbroken gold rings in the wild ID wise as freq is changed. Moving from lower to higher using freq noted previously here.

An ole hick from sticks grand discovery using this coil. By a person whose actual looking for gold rings was very limited in the wild. Although I did find one with equinox in a park some years ago that read a tad below nickel ID
My perseverance testing and using this coil has paid grand dividends for the users of this coil if they see some of my videos or forum posts on this behavior. And a few others videos who are now starting to dig into this with their hf 2 coils. It may turn out this is the best use of this coil in the wild. Select digging for gold, platinum, or junk rings snd nickels. There is some behavior where even the $1, $5 gold coins as well as the 3 cent nickel coin could be locate and dug out of a modern trash site. I have not tested or seen anyone else test a $2.50 USA gold coins. I suspect it too may behave differently somewhat id wise when changing freq vs most canslaw, lead, etc.

Guess that old foam I used paid off huh!!

Signed
Ole hick from the sticks

 

[stetam]

Ok, so now it finds gold coins too.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I dunno... dowsing is one of those things that cannot possibly work beyond what intuition and luck allow. What TNS is describing may or may not be useful, or even work at all, but there is a physical reason that it might. Have you tried it?

Hey there Carl , I have never denied (despite my skepticism) that his system *might* better the Las Vegas odds. Unlike dowsing which, yes, will NEVER better any Las Vegas odds.

No, I have not tried his trick. I was going to go strictly on HIS "trying it". To examine HIS results (from his videos) to see if there were "more plausible explanations" at play. To see if double blind parameters were in effect . Ie.: To rule out selective memory bias, eventual random odds, subconscious sour grapes back-peddling, etc...... None of which would be purposeful or malicious on-his-part (ie.: it is EASY to fool ourselves).

But I have now concluded this :

1) That EVEN IF THE TRICK DID decrease a guys' odds of 300 to 1, down to 200 to 1, of : gold vs aluminum, then : I would STILL not be employing the trick, in junky turfed parks. I STILL do not feel like digging 200 holes in turf. Doh ! (and mind you, the "trick" admits this is only for rings, not other forms of gold jewelry)

2) That if, after watching the videos, I did *NOT* conclude the above ^ ^ Las Vegas player-advantage "trick", that : TNS has no intention of changing his side of the aisle/view. Ie.: "Mind already made up" . Whereas, conversely, I was going to give it a fair shake & analyze his videos.

Carl : I entered this thread because the topic of "telling gold from aluminum" is another "bee in my bonnet" issues But on both those ^ ^ counts, I'm now asking myself : Why bother ? If the ability-to-convert only works one-way, then : Why bother ? I do not fault TNS for his passion and confidence. But : In order to attract interlocutors, a person should *at least* give the APPEARANCE of being willing to look at critique. If they say ahead of time that they won't, then : What's the point ?

 

[tnsharpshooter]

Folks use a detector’s tendency ID a lot. This is what put Minelab on the map in USA! And guess what the nutjobs out there were saying about the Explorer users claims? Who were still running single freq detectors. It was called bs made up garbage. And guess what? It was true what they were saying about the multi freq units.

So an fbs/fbs 2 a user can depend on detector tendency (ID) to place odds on higher conductive objects like copper and silver.

So a tendency on another model (coil) to do something. Would be impossible. And if true could be used to help dodge bs targets that could mimick gold rings for I.d using an ID tendency on said detector model and coil.

Has any fbs detector user left a silver coin in the ground because the detector didn’t give correct conductive number? I say yes.
So these fbs detectors not perfect. Yet folks kept using them didn’t them didn’t they. Hmm

The Achilles heel with can slaw is greatly reduced using the hf2 coil looking for gold rings in more polluted trash sites.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

....... And guess what? It was true what they were saying about the multi freq units.......

Well, sure : There was initial skepticism , when the early Minelabs rolled out, in the mid 1990s. (Sov & Excal). They were a totally different feel & logic than the standard machines up-till-that-time. And yes : The old timers were dragged "kicking and screaming" to convert.

But here's the difference : THE PROOF WAS IN THE PUDDING . I was one of those old timers in-that-transition time (late 1990s). I had ONLY gotten the Excal NOT because of supposed better TID or depth, but ONLY that it offered a discriminator, in a waterproof package. But once I began using it, I became aware that , yes, I was getting better TID's at depth (as opposed to TID waffles after 4 or 5"). And : Was getting deeper. So I thought : "Surely this should be able to be replicated in the turf for silver-cherry-picking". And hence : Moved into the Explorers. Which, yes, utterly spanked my Whites Eagle II SL . Doh !

But for you to point to tech advances like that ^ ^ , and claim that, therefore your trick has automatic merit, does not logically follow. You would have to show the proof in the pudding. AND PERHAPS YOU DO ! But until I know that you are open to critique (and haven't "already made up your mind"), then : I don't feel compelled to spend hours watching your videos.

See my above post to Carl.

 

[itsaring!]

Ok, so now it finds gold coins too.

Some of the gold coins come in a perfect zinc penny number. I'm not sure tn can afford different gold coins to test to see if I am wrong?

 

[stetam]

Some of the gold coins come in a perfect zinc penny number. I'm not sure tn can afford different gold coins to test to see if I am wrong?

Yeah but the hf2 coil id’s the denomination I hear