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Could I spot some can slaw using a metal detector vs a gold ring? Even if the 2 read identical ID in meter for ID when sweeping? Hmm
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Yep.
I told software manager. He didn’t seem to think it was all that important.
I beg to differ.
And why I have been showing.
I bet Delik would jump all over it.
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Didn't think it was all that important? Sheesh, how could he not know that being able to distinguish aluminum trash from gold rings (even if it's not perfect), is by far, the most important feature that most detectorists would want!...and pay a pretty penny for it? Then again, maybe he didn't think the method was practically feasible. If that latter, then he needs more convincing.
BTW- Did you try the method on silver rings?
I may do a video showing 9” FMF coil.
To select dig for gold rings.
What I show may surprise some folks.
See how this wind here does,
I have made a change to how to use.
Especially on test #2 if target passes Test #1.
Bigger coil than hf2 so in crowded target target sites could pose more problems.
Still though could I use. And not dig a bunch of bs looking for gold rings.. I think so.
I have used similar objects I used looking st hf2 coil. So I think I know the correct parameters to make this coil do pretty good.
To select dig for gold rings.
What I show may surprise some folks.
See how this wind here does,
I have made a change to how to use.
Especially on test #2 if target passes Test #1.
Bigger coil than hf2 so in crowded target target sites could pose more problems.
Still though could I use. And not dig a bunch of bs looking for gold rings.. I think so.
I have used similar objects I used looking st hf2 coil. So I think I know the correct parameters to make this coil do pretty good.
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Yeah I looked at silver coins and silver ring.
But remember silver reports on high in ID it would have little place to go.
Example.
Would anyone pass up a 95 signal and not dig in a park. Sorts hard to distinguish clad quarter or silver quarter from silver ring. So most would likely dig, unless they though it was a clad quarter.
Yeah, what this hf 2 coil does using multi freq is extremely nice thing to have looking for gold rings.
And even hunting an old site littered with pull tabs.
All flat buttons I have checked yield little to no id rise u like pull tabs.
So a reverse use of it. Hmm
Can I use Deus 2 traditionally using 9” FMF and tell via audio nuance sometime it’s not a round sounding target? Or a bigger ball of mangle cannslaw? Yep.
However imo the target needs some mass to do well at giving the nuisance.
Smaller stuff with id as gold ring range might be harder to get a read on.
Hence id behavior and yes doing a tone break test might give better info on placing of gold ring or even junk ring (both unbroken) existing.
I guess I could ask.
Would I trust my eyes on that meter more Or trust some would could be some minuscule nuance.
A small piece of lead may give gold rings rsnge ID. What does the meter tell me when I do my little tests…hmm
However imo the target needs some mass to do well at giving the nuisance.
Smaller stuff with id as gold ring range might be harder to get a read on.
Hence id behavior and yes doing a tone break test might give better info on placing of gold ring or even junk ring (both unbroken) existing.
I guess I could ask.
Would I trust my eyes on that meter more Or trust some would could be some minuscule nuance.
A small piece of lead may give gold rings rsnge ID. What does the meter tell me when I do my little tests…hmm
Xy screen is tied to ID.
Easier to interpret metered ID.
I looked at it. No use really to help doing what I am referring to.
Video is done.
Will be up shortly hopefully using (testing) FMF 9” coil.
I may take 9” FMF coil and hf2 to this place down the road.
And shoot little video.
I know there are junk things like pull rings and square tabs in this place.
Could be a gold ring or perhaps a junk ring too.
We’ll see.
If not today maybe tomorrow.
The remote setup allowing saved programs is GRAND.
I have programs adjacent in my remote to select dig gold rings for both HF2 coil and the 9” FMF coil.
This would be tough to do with ws6 /WS6 ST.
Especially having General program setup adjacent to single freq ops using 9” FM.f coil.
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More videos done. Users of Deus 2 may find interesting. Can a junk target lock on and give a solid ID, meaning one vdi snd never move while sweeping? Yep. Can it possibly be exposed as a junk target ? Yep
Deus 2 evidently from a tonal pitch perspective doesn’t necessarily paint the whole true perspective of a target. It can though sometimes using multi tone option. Adjusting tone break on target being swept. To see if it will yield 2 tones at same tone break setting. Square tab and pull rings without beaver tails are two examples where this can happen. There are more examples too.
Ole hick from the sticks. You got to keep eye on him. You never know what he may come up with next. Hmm
Deus 2 evidently from a tonal pitch perspective doesn’t necessarily paint the whole true perspective of a target. It can though sometimes using multi tone option. Adjusting tone break on target being swept. To see if it will yield 2 tones at same tone break setting. Square tab and pull rings without beaver tails are two examples where this can happen. There are more examples too.
Ole hick from the sticks. You got to keep eye on him. You never know what he may come up with next. Hmm
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I am sending recommendation to Xp to offer setting on Deus 2 to unglobalize frequency shift channel per MF band if possible to do.
This imo would help users doing what I have talked about in this thread. Done numerous videos testing and in the wild showing. Likely would help FMF coil users more. It could help HF2 coil user though. Especially if channel 0 29 kHz MF band was noisy for whatever reason.
This imo would help users doing what I have talked about in this thread. Done numerous videos testing and in the wild showing. Likely would help FMF coil users more. It could help HF2 coil user though. Especially if channel 0 29 kHz MF band was noisy for whatever reason.
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I'm here this exact same thing from a couple people I really trust. I'm trying to prove it myself.
Okay, doing tests similar to what I did using HF2 coil.
All FMF coils test wise results reflect use of 3 tones doing tone break checks may shed light on if tsrgrt id gold ring or junk ring. I have not tested any platinum rings with any of the died 2 coils.
This tone break setup is a check progrsm after tsrget is located.
Say in an area where gold ring or junk ring could be living.
Settings used for the 11” and 11x13” coils are identical.
I have done videos showing the 2 coils above.
The 11x13 coil data/tests was put up yesterday.
The 11” coil results will be up shortly.
You won’t find this info in user manual btw.
Could come in real handy and save you some bending down and digging bs targets.
This system not meant to be used for high conductive reading tsrgets as results could mislead user. This system for the majority of gold ring range signals. I would dig signals not checking them yielding 80 -86 ID just in case Mr T’s ring is there.
All FMF coils test wise results reflect use of 3 tones doing tone break checks may shed light on if tsrgrt id gold ring or junk ring. I have not tested any platinum rings with any of the died 2 coils.
This tone break setup is a check progrsm after tsrget is located.
Say in an area where gold ring or junk ring could be living.
Settings used for the 11” and 11x13” coils are identical.
I have done videos showing the 2 coils above.
The 11x13 coil data/tests was put up yesterday.
The 11” coil results will be up shortly.
You won’t find this info in user manual btw.
Could come in real handy and save you some bending down and digging bs targets.
This system not meant to be used for high conductive reading tsrgets as results could mislead user. This system for the majority of gold ring range signals. I would dig signals not checking them yielding 80 -86 ID just in case Mr T’s ring is there.
Pete e
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Interesting concept, but how many folks detect for only gold rings? I think before the likes of Xp would get excited, these methods would need to be able to reasonably distinguish between canslaw/foil and non ferrous targets of all types....
I use it for more than just hunting gold rings.
I don't use it all the time. It's just a tool option.
You can use it all the time but that's up to you and you're level of patience. I'm sure other hunters wish to limit junk digs. If this can help do that, XP should be interested.
If I'm in an area not infested with modern trash and wish not to dig every signal but wish to dig all targets of interest, this is very valuable. Coin signals are a give me, they get dug.
Nickel and many square tabs ring up very similar. Once I hit a suspect nickel signal in an area I've already found to have sufficient square tab pollution, I start using this method. A quick push of one button let's me see the VDI change. If it's a 3 point rise, say from 59 up to 62 or 60 up to 63, it's an auto dig. That's the perfect nickel numbers. If I have ended up digging a few tabs in the process I'll start using tone break test. I've never had a nickel fail that test. It helps you be more selective and cut drastically down on square tab digging. You could also just pass on all the signals in that range but...... That's where the nickels and some other good targets are. It's a very helpful tool to limit junk digs. Is it a perfect solution? No, but I'm not digging square tabs and excessive trash all day either, thus making my hunting more productive and enjoyable.
Slaw and Foil.....
I hunt many times looking at everything in ball parks. I can quickly pass on foil and aluminum slaw, what Tnss calls lawnmower specials. (I don't use this with all suspect targets). When I'm bored or hunting areas become limited, I can always go back later and dig those signals.
I've spent several days testing this. I dug a bunch of trash targets I knew were foil or slaw because it failed test one. I knew it was slaw or foil or some other undesirable, but I was proving, testing the system. After you dig and verify enough, you will have the confidence to dig or keep walking. When they don't fail test one I'm usually going after them. I dig FAR less foil/slaw.
You will still get fooled and dig a few tabs you thought were nickels but they are now very few.
Random number here... Say, 5 nickels and the 4 or 5 tabs that fooled you, is better than digging 3 nickels (due to wasting time/energy on square tabs) and 20 square tabs.
Short story long, it's useful and has it's place.
It's just like anything else, you put in the effort and reap the rewards.
This should not be ignored by xp.
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You can locate other things besides gold,ring while the the detector setup looking for gold ring behaving signals(ID).
You can use to even locate a nickle. To include a high reading war nickel.
You can still locate and dig high conductors like silver rings add coins..
It the users’ choice.
You see this model offer some choice lot of other models MF don’t offer.
If this theory even works what would be considered a success rate of aluminum to gold ring ratio vs time spent hunting?
Can you just go to park and dig noting, not one hole and say no gold ring here. how about 50:1 AL to Gold ratio. Almost every park has a gold ring somewhere so proving it works in the real world should be easy by going to a park and leaving with at least one gold every time. Don't think its going to work anywhere close to the level of success.
Can you just go to park and dig noting, not one hole and say no gold ring here. how about 50:1 AL to Gold ratio. Almost every park has a gold ring somewhere so proving it works in the real world should be easy by going to a park and leaving with at least one gold every time. Don't think its going to work anywhere close to the level of success.
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I'd love to take on this challenge, but my hunting time no longer would serve as a true test. Not so long ago, I probably averaged around 50 targets. Finding at least 1 ring out of 50 targets isn't unusual when the LOCATION is right. Today, I am able to recover maybe 6 to 10 targets before I'm shot. I could go home and recover, but then I'd be shot for several days. Even so, I find very little trash. Out of those 6 to 10 recoveries, I might find 1 or 2 pieces of junk. More often than not, I recover none. I can do very well at telling keepers from trash with the D2.
This system sounds viable to me. I really do believe it could go well at finding that gold ring.
This system sounds viable to me. I really do believe it could go well at finding that gold ring.
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Nothing is perfect.
You can be fooled with certain targets. I would dare say every park has a gold ring. If you are only looking for gold, your going to go home empty a lot. With this system though, I spend far less time digging square tabs on nickel signals.
If a target falls in suspect ring range, which is a lot. I can dig all, walk, or use this method. I know what it's foil by test one. I have it programmed in to just hit a button. Again, not perfect but if I can pass trash and then hit that good target, I'm all for it.
Ratio wise, that is site dependent. I can't give valid number. It's something you have to test for yourself. Look at his videos and hold judgment until you've studied them and tested it yourself. If it don't work for you, do what works best for you. No skin of my back. Just giving my experience. The days I use it, I pass on foil/can slaw and dig the good nickel signals. I'm happy when I find jewelry and rings.
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