US Army Corp of Engineers Hunting

[MikeSatter]

Today, I called the US Army Corp of Engineers for Lake Hartwell and asked was permission required to MD on the Corp owned lake 962 mile shoreline, and they stated it was against federal law to MD on their property. The ranger stated it is against the law due to Indian artifacts and other things buried beneath the water. He stated that the Federal Government has signed a document with the Indians not to disturb any of the property because there are Cherokee cities buried under now Lake Hartwell and anyone caught doing so faces federal charges.

I respect indian bural grounds and or any other historical place and believe that it should not be disturbed, thats all I need another place that I cannot hunt. The lake is down now, and I thought it would be a good time to MD, but now I know better.

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[banspy]

Back to that old addage of sometimes it's easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission. Sorry bout your denial!

[OZARKS]

Be glad that you found out first before getting a ride in the back of a rangers SUV!

[Me&MyBoy]

Originally Posted by banspy

Back to that old addage of sometimes it's easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission. Sorry bout your denial!

Unfortunately, the Feds aren't usually in the "forgiveness" business. You can try that tactic, but your equipment may be confiscated and you'll be facing a heavy fine or worse. Dealing with Federal Law and its enforcement isn't the same "I didn't know" way out of a scrape as with Barney Fife. I've heard some pretty harsh examples of what can happen. Always check the regs and proceed with caution.

And I this is NOT a criticism of Federal Law or any law that you or I may disagree with. For better or worse those laws were enacted because somebody probably went too far and now we all have to suffer for their actions.

[Schuetzen]

This is not a blanket policy, on one corp of engineers lake in my area they allow metal detecting in the swimming areas. You do have to go by the office and get a free annual permit. On another their website says you can detect on maintained areas as long as natural vegetation is not disturbed.

[MikeSatter]

Originally Posted by Me&MyBoy

Unfortunately, the Feds aren't usually in the "forgiveness" business. You can try that tactic, but your equipment may be confiscated and you'll be facing a heavy fine or worse. Dealing with Federal Law and its enforcement isn't the same "I didn't know" way out of a scrape as with Barney Fife. I've heard some pretty harsh examples of what can happen. Always check the regs and proceed with caution.

And I this is NOT a criticism of Federal Law or any law that you or I may disagree with. For better or worse those laws were enacted because somebody probably went too far and now we all have to suffer for their actions.

The ranger stated that because of people abusing the privliage and disturbing the indian sites and other historical sites is the reason the laws were enacted. He also stated that there are no more weekly tours that go inside the Hartwell Dam since 911 either. The Hartwell Dam is an amazing site both inside and out luckly I got to go inside before they stopped.

[dogpound]

i'm glad its different in my area. i hunt the army corp lake and its grassy areas all the time, infact soon they should be dropping the lake down to its winter level. the only thing the rangers said was not to dig directly on the bike trails that go around the lake

[Paradux]

I was out MDing the other day in an open field located just off of a public street. There was a monument looking rock sitting almost in the middle of the field. so I made my way towards it too see what it was all about. Sign Read "No Trespassing." What? why not at the property boundary? Makes you wonder about some folk.

[MikeSatter]

Some of this land was the capital of the South Carolina Band of Cherokee Indians and is now beneath the water. The article below is telling about Lake Keowee which is the headwaters of Lake hartwell and the Cherokee signed the Hopewell treaty of 1775 with General Andrew Pickens in on the shores of before it became Lake Hartwell.

Keowee was a Cherokee town in the north of present-day South Carolina. It was settled in what is present day Oconee County, the westernmost county of South Carolina, at the foot of the Blue Ridge Mountains, just north of Clemson. Located on the banks of the Keowee River, Keowee was submerged beneath the waters of Lake Keowee when the river was dammed in a power project.

In the early half of the 18th century, approximately 2100 Cherokee inhabited sixteen towns east of the Blue Ridge Mountains The Cherokee people were geographically divided into three regions: the Overhill Towns, the Middle Towns, and the Lower Towns. For the Cherokee, towns were the most important units of government. There were seven Cherokee villages," of which Keowee was one, and the rulers of each had a substantial amount of authority. Keowee was principal among the Cherokee "Lower Towns". Keowee Town is translated into "place of mulberries." It was also known as "Old Keowee" to distinguish it from other towns of the same name.

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[WildDigger]

Everyone I know that MDs around here MDs lanier. I have Been to a few beaches and have seen DNR and they have said nothing to me or others. It is policy forthe office to say no just to be blunt. Don't wory they will not do a thing. I have lived in this area for 25 years now and have seen countless MDers here. The same goes with lake Hartwell and Russel. I have been to Russels main office before I got a MD a few years ago and they were talking to me about things to do and MDing was one thing they said was popular on the lake side. I was delivering to the core of engineers for dam repairs.

[Onaug]

Allot people just recently went to jail for detecting/searching the dry lake beds where there are remains. I wouldn't chance it.

[WildDigger]

From all the stories read about that they were in area that were roped off and marked off limits no tresspassing.

[Jack Flynn]

Originally Posted by MikeSatter

Today, I called the US Army Corp of Engineers for Lake Hartwell and asked was permission required to MD on the Corp owned lake 962 mile shoreline, and they stated it was against federal law to MD on their property. The ranger stated it is against the law due to Indian artifacts and other things buried beneath the water. He stated that the Federal Government has signed a document with the Indians not to disturb any of the property because there are Cherokee cities buried under now Lake Hartwell and anyone caught doing so faces federal charges.

I respect indian bural grounds and or any other historical place and believe that it should not be disturbed, thats all I need another place that I cannot hunt. The lake is down now, and I thought it would be a good time to MD, but now I know better.

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Alas another one asking permission and getting the wrong answer. You can detect the beach areas around the lake. You however cannot go into any grassy area on corp land or the woods. You live in S.C. and many relic hunters trespassing on the properties of some powerful people in the state knowingly trespassing and getting caught have brought S.C. some of the stiffest laws in the country. Well you have your answer, plus you have your clue as to the answer you got. You are not gonna find arrowheads and pottery with a detector. BTW the COE allows it in the place I stated, I've been there detecting and regularly talk with Rangers, see them all the time. Always ask for permission but your answer just might be here..........

[WildDigger]

Originally Posted by Jack Flynn

Alas another one asking permission and getting the wrong answer. You can detect the beach areas around the lake. You however cannot go into any grassy area on corp land or the woods. You live in S.C. and many relic hunters trespassing on the properties of some powerful people in the state knowingly trespassing and getting caught have brought S.C. some of the stiffest laws in the country. Well you have your answer, plus you have your clue as to the answer you got. You are not gonna find arrowheads and pottery with a detector. BTW the COE allows it in the place I stated, I've been there detecting and regularly talk with Rangers, see them all the time. Always ask for permission but your answer just might be here..........

BINGO!!!!!!

Yes and your other thread is perfect.....

[Diggler]

Been detecting Corps lakes all summer. You have to claim any find over $25 value. I ain't found nothing. Why do I keep going back...?

[RyanChappell]

Originally Posted by MikeSatter

Some of this land was the capital of the South Carolina Band of Cherokee Indians and is now beneath the water. The article below is telling about Lake Keowee which is the headwaters of Lake hartwell and the Cherokee signed the Hopewell treaty of 1775 with General Andrew Pickens in on the shores of before it became Lake Hartwell.
Keowee was a Cherokee town in the north of present-day South Carolina. It was settled in what is present day Oconee County, the westernmost county of South Carolina, at the foot of the Blue Ridge Mountains, just north of Clemson. Located on the banks of the Keowee River, Keowee was submerged beneath the waters of Lake Keowee when the river was dammed in a power project. In the early half of the 18th century, approximately 2100 Cherokee inhabited sixteen towns east of the Blue Ridge Mountains The Cherokee people were geographically divided into three regions: the Overhill Towns, the Middle Towns, and the Lower Towns. For the Cherokee, towns were the most important units of government. There were seven Cherokee villages," of which Keowee was one, and the rulers of each had a substantial amount of authority. Keowee was principal among the Cherokee "Lower Towns". Keowee Town is translated into "place of mulberries." It was also known as "Old Keowee" to distinguish it from other towns of the same name.

Where is the dam that flooded the river in Deliverance?

[MikeSatter]

I have lived and watched Lake Jocassee being built from start to finish and have rode the roads that is now underneath the water, but I never knew anything about about the movie being filmed there (at Jocassee); until now. I have to been to several locations where they filmed Deliverance, but I have never seen the movie. Since you posted this, I have obtained a copy of the movie and will watch it today. I will send you a pm after I watch it and let you know if I recognize any of the locations.

FACTS:
Deliverance was shot in the Tallulah Gorge southeast of Clayton, Georgia and on the Chattooga River, dividing the states of Georgia and South Carolina. Additional scenes were shot as well in Salem, South Carolina and Sylva, North Carolina. A scene was also shot at the Mount Carmel Baptist Church cemetery, which now lies 100 meters (330 feet) under the surface of Lake Jocassee, South Carolina.

[turtlefoot]

If a person tries to detect most, if not all of the Corps land here in Missouri, they are looking for trouble. The land is blanketly closed because of "cultural concerns and federal regulations". The same with Missouri Dept. of Conservation land, much of which is either owned or managed by the Corps.

Doug

[MikeSatter]

Originally Posted by RyanChappell

Where is the dam that flooded the river in Deliverance?

Per the very end script on the movie it stated it was filmed mainly on the Chattooga River. I have a coworker who is a river guide on the Chattooga, and I will mention it to her to see if she knows more.

The Chattooga River is the main tributary of the Tugaloo River. Its headwaters are located southwest of Cashiers, North Carolina, and it stretches 57 miles (92 km) to where it has its confluence with the Tallulah River within Lake Tugalo, held back by the Tugalo Dam. The Chattooga and the Tallulah combine to make the Tugaloo River starting at the outlet of Lake Tugalo. The Chattooga begins in southern Jackson County, North Carolina, then flows southwestward between northwestern Oconee County, South Carolina, and eastern Rabun County, Georgia.

The river was used as a setting for the fictional Cahulawassee River in the book and film Deliverance.

The Chattooga River flows into Tugalo Lake where it joins the Tallulah River. After flowing through Tugalo Dam the combined rivers become the Tugaloo River which, along with the Seneca River, becomes the Savannah River below Lake Hartwell. Downstream from that point, the water flows into the Atlantic Ocean near Savannah, Georgia.

[scash]

Originally Posted by turtlefoot

If a person tries to detect most, if not all of the Corps land here in Missouri, they are looking for trouble. The land is blanketly closed because of "cultural concerns and federal regulations". The same with Missouri Dept. of Conservation land, much of which is either owned or managed by the Corps.

Doug

yep, If you dig on core land in Missouri you better "blend in like a ninja" .