Colonial Spanish 2 Reales, but counterfeit?

MurdochBaines · Jul 7, 2020

I dug this at a 1790s home, along with a KGIII. This is my first Spanish silver. Oddly, it doesn’t have that silver ping/ring when struck by another coin or flipped in the air by my thumb. It sounds very dull and different from my other dug silvers (Washington, barber quarter, SLQ, etc.). If any of you have reales, could you report back the sound compared to other silvers? Thanks!!!

zeemang · Jul 7, 2020

Looks real to me, and by where you found it that adds weight to the authenticity in my mind.

Tom_in_CA · Jul 7, 2020

zeemang said:
Looks real to me,....

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Why would you think it's not real ? If it's the "ping" sound when dropped on a desk-top (when compared to a silver washington, or whatever), then remember: Reales are thinner. Sometimes even potato chip thin.

waltr · Jul 7, 2020

Looks real.. color and lack of corrosion.

metaladdict · Jul 7, 2020

Congrats

MurdochBaines · Jul 7, 2020

I did compare it to a very worn/thin Barber quarter and it sounds totally different. Maybe I’m overthinking it.

MurdochBaines · Jul 7, 2020

Tom_in_CA said:
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Why would you think it's not real ? If it's the "ping" sound when dropped on a desk-top (when compared to a silver washington, or whatever), then remember: Reales are thinner. Sometimes even potato chip thin.

I did compare it to a very worn/thin Barber quarter and it sounds totally different. Maybe I’m overthinking it.

claddy · Jul 7, 2020

Tom_in_CA said:
^ ^ this ^ ^

Why would you think it's not real ? If it's the "ping" sound when dropped on a desk-top (when compared to a silver washington, or whatever), then remember: Reales are thinner. Sometimes even potato chip thin.

I hear California is full of them bet they think they are clad pennies!

METALMANIAC-NY · Jul 7, 2020

MurdochBaines said:
I did compare it to a very worn/thin Barber quarter and it sounds totally different. Maybe I’m overthinking it.

They absolutely sound different.....thinner coin than US silver. Its legit! Nice find! Great date too!

MurdochBaines · Jul 7, 2020

METALMANIAC-NY said:
They absolutely sound different.....thinner coin than US silver. Its legit! Nice find! Great date too!

Thanks! I think I finally found a virgin colonial site here in Northern Virginia. Hopefully more of the same will pop out!

cellrdwellr · Jul 7, 2020

A 2 reale is a tough coin to find for sure, congrats!

Tom_in_CA · Jul 7, 2020

cellrdwellr said:
A 2 reale is a tough coin to find for sure, congrats!

Yes. half reales and 1 reales are more common. 2's, 4's, and 8's start to get very hard to find.

Coinboy · Jul 8, 2020

Nice find I consider my 2 reale my best find ever

maxxkatt · Jul 9, 2020

remember Barber, LP and silver washingtons are .9 silver, .10 copper. maybe this combination gives the ting sound. not sure what composition reals are, maybe 100% silver? if so maybe the ting is lost.

porschephile · Jul 9, 2020

Looks good to me. You should weigh it and make sure it is close to correct weight for 2R. Then as long as it rang up like silver quarter on CTX I would say it unequivocally good. Most counterfeits ring up with lower tones on ctx.

MurdochBaines · Jul 9, 2020

porschephile said:
Looks good to me. You should weigh it and make sure it is close to correct weight for 2R. Then as long as it rang up like silver quarter on CTX I would say it unequivocally good. Most counterfeits ring up with lower tones on ctx.

It rang up 12-41 ish. It was a good coin signal but I didn’t expect a quarter-sized silver coin. This reading is similar to thin silver dimes and wheaties. It was about 4” deep. It is certainly thin, but not super thin. This is my first 1700s silver so I’m still learning.

bobac · Jul 10, 2020

First off, HGE HUGE HUGE CONGRATS man !!!!!!!
I don't know why you have doubts when you know the age of the yard you dug it from.
I have a couple 2 Reales and I gave them the silver sound test , and yeah , they sure do make a dead sounding thud sound. Nothing like American coins. I'm assuming by now you have checked the weight and measurements nd stuff....I'm guessing its pretty darn close. It sure looks and sounds like a winner to me. And boy am I jealous.....
Once again, big huge congratulations on a super nice piece of history. Spanish silver is such a thrill to dig up.

porschephile · Jul 11, 2020

MurdochBaines said:
It rang up 12-41 ish. It was a good coin signal but I didn’t expect a quarter-sized silver coin. This reading is similar to thin silver dimes and wheaties. It was about 4” deep. It is certainly thin, but not super thin. This is my first 1700s silver so I’m still learning.

Never found one of these myself so you are ahead of me on these! It doesn't surprise me that it's conductivity lower than expected since it is thin. Older silver tends to ring lower also. I don't doubt its genuine at all. I would still check weight on precise scale and compare to published weights.

Mr. Digger · Jul 11, 2020

That looks beautiful and legit to me...congrats! Cross that one off your bucket list (still on mine).

MurdochBaines · Jul 11, 2020

porschephile said:
Never found one of these myself so you are ahead of me on these! It doesn't surprise me that it's conductivity lower than expected since it is thin. Older silver tends to ring lower also. I don't doubt its genuine at all. I would still check weight on precise scale and compare to published weights.

I got some silver testing solution. It’s silver. The solution left no mark. Needed the solution for testing other items. Yay!

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