Archeologists Putting Out More Disinformation.

[pocketspill]

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/nkypolit...detector-bill/

The story says that detector hobbyists would damage a MAMMOTH DIG. This is the level of disinformation flowing around.

Dont' stand for it. Add your voice.

[emfederin]

Damned morons. I just blew half an hour crafting a response, only to find out I need a "facebook" account to post it. I don't have a facebook account, and I doggedly resist getting one.

So I'll post it here, if anyone wants to do anything with it:

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I've never heard a more absurd argument against metal detectors in my life!

I would ask this guy just exactly HOW are we supposed to find BONE and STONE with a damned METAL detector?

Moreover, even if the mammoths had gold teeth, a metal detector would never find them - they are simply far too deep to be detected by a metal detector.

In fact, it's the very depth of these sites that are the main reason that permits are required: a fossil dig of such a site is a major excavation going tens of feet or more deep into the earth, and often a quarter acre or more in area.

Compare this to a "coinshooter" such as myself (who has been metal detecting for over 30 years) whose deepest find was 10" down in a lakebed. The vast majority of our "targets" are from the surface (which requires no digging at all) down to about 3-6" which requires nothing more than a 2-3" flap to be lifted back for retrieval of the target and then the flap is replaced.

I am really getting tired of lobbyists trying to keep people from pursuing a quiet hobby through the use of outrageously imaginative arguments that have absolutely no basis in reality or SIMPLE PHYSICS.

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[HarveyH48]

How important is it anyway, to dig up all those mammoth remains intact? Haven't they gotten enough specimens to study yet?

[BottleCapKing]

Last time I heard, metal detectors didn't register mammoth bones.

[OZARKS]

They remind me of a kid on a playground that see's another kid having fun, and they just can't stand it so they cry to their mom to do the same thing.

I get it when they say that we may interfere with future findings by taking items from a possible future archaelogical dig field ...IN SOME INSTANCES...


BUT.. the question I have for them is this; Do you plan to dig up every inch of this country to find every artifact in the ground? No, then what is your problem? If you don't have every inch of this earth scheduled for an archaeological dig, then to say that we are disturbing archaeological sites is a flat out LIE!

[Joves]

Well as usualy FB is screwing up and not letting me post on there. Which is why I never use FB and only got it to get family off my back about not having it.

[capnmkfish]

Originally Posted by emfederin

Damned morons. I just blew half an hour crafting a response, only to find out I need a "facebook" account to post it. I don't have a facebook account, and I doggedly resist getting one.

So I'll post it here, if anyone wants to do anything with it:

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I've never heard a more absurd argument against metal detectors in my life!

I would ask this guy just exactly HOW are we supposed to find BONE and STONE with a damned METAL detector?

Moreover, even if the mammoths had gold teeth, a metal detector would never find them - they are simply far too deep to be detected by a metal detector.

In fact, it's the very depth of these sites that are the main reason that permits are required: a fossil dig of such a site is a major excavation going tens of feet or more deep into the earth, and often a quarter acre or more in area.

Compare this to a "coinshooter" such as myself (who has been metal detecting for over 30 years) whose deepest find was 10" down in a lakebed. The vast majority of our "targets" are from the surface (which requires no digging at all) down to about 3-6" which requires nothing more than a 2-3" flap to be lifted back for retrieval of the target and then the flap is replaced.

I am really getting tired of lobbyists trying to keep people from pursuing a quiet hobby through the use of outrageously imaginative arguments that have absolutely no basis in reality or SIMPLE PHYSICS.

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Just copied and pasted this,hope you dont mind,think you said it pretty well!

[gordonquixote]

They found it with the new MXT PaleoPro.....it has Coin, Relic, Prospect, and Mammoth modes. I thought everyone knew.

[Milhaus]

It must be all of the extinct animal bones posted all over the place that tipped them off.

Seriously though this reads like insane orders from the bunker by people who have no grasp on reality anymore.

Unfortunately I installed browser add-ons that strip any reference to Facebook from my world.
Its daggers to quote a monarch but he said it best even though it was only via Shakespeare. Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more... Henry V of England.

[kelpike]

I do not have facebook so I can not comment on that site. I am glad that a few of you did comment though. I am sure that most detectorists would notify someone if they started finding bones and such which would be a good thing for the archeologists. (which I'd be willing to bet has happened many times in the past). And would the site have been found if a detectorist didn't stumble upon it. Just out of curiousity, are archeologists paid by grants and such which are given by the government which are paid for with tax dollars? If so, I'm pretty sure detectorists pay taxes.

[Jason in Enid]

So I guess this would be a bad place to post pics of Tricerotop teeth, duckbill and tricerotop ribs, and tyrano teeth I recovered last year?

[emfederin]

Originally Posted by capnmkfish

Just copied and pasted this,hope you dont mind,think you said it pretty well!

No problem at all!

I'm flattered that you would, and I'm grateful that it may be useful in some way.

[bullseye]

I have found pig bones before, but only because they were next to something metal.

The arguement against the bill is rather ridiculious. If they're really that worried about that park, then just make an exception for that one park. It's doesn't make sense to scrap the whole bill for the sake of one park even if there was a valid reason.

[emfederin]

Originally Posted by HarveyH48

How important is it anyway, to dig up all those mammoth remains intact? Haven't they gotten enough specimens to study yet?

This question is easily answered by replacing the term "mammoth remains" with "old coins" and asking the same question of ourselves.

[BottleCapKing]

Originally Posted by gordonquixote

They found it with the new MXT PaleoPro.....it has Coin, Relic, Prospect, and Mammoth modes. I thought everyone knew.

Damn. I need to update my firmware to get Mammoth Mode. I have no idea how many mammoths I have missed!

[DirtyDigger]

Damn it! your telling me my ace 250 wont pick up a mammoth at 10' below the ground.... Guess i need to send it back.

[PAMD Tim]

I would recommend contacting the senator and praising the bill he introduced.


http://www.lrc.ky.gov/legislator/s038.htm

[pocketspill]

I sent the article to Senator Seum as "Priceless Entertainment"

Apparently they are going to use some of my written arguments in the House battle. I'm honored.

[pocketspill]

Originally Posted by emfederin

Damned morons. I just blew half an hour crafting a response, only to find out I need a "facebook" account to post it. I don't have a facebook account, and I doggedly resist getting one.

So I'll post it here, if anyone wants to do anything with it:

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I've never heard a more absurd argument against metal detectors in my life!

I would ask this guy just exactly HOW are we supposed to find BONE and STONE with a damned METAL detector?

Moreover, even if the mammoths had gold teeth, a metal detector would never find them - they are simply far too deep to be detected by a metal detector.

In fact, it's the very depth of these sites that are the main reason that permits are required: a fossil dig of such a site is a major excavation going tens of feet or more deep into the earth, and often a quarter acre or more in area.

Compare this to a "coinshooter" such as myself (who has been metal detecting for over 30 years) whose deepest find was 10" down in a lakebed. The vast majority of our "targets" are from the surface (which requires no digging at all) down to about 3-6" which requires nothing more than a 2-3" flap to be lifted back for retrieval of the target and then the flap is replaced.

I am really getting tired of lobbyists trying to keep people from pursuing a quiet hobby through the use of outrageously imaginative arguments that have absolutely no basis in reality or SIMPLE PHYSICS.

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...it was a good response, glad it was pasted - thanks for your time!

[Onaug]

They are deeply offended that they had to spend years learning their career to have any Joe with the ability to learn a radio device find old coins and metal relics. We are treading on the very foundation that they thrive on. 99% of what we find has no true historical significance. They know peoplensettled where we detected. They know the nearly exact date of settlement. They know what coin origins were used in a given area. Yes rediculous.