Friendly Metal Detecting Forums   Big boys Hobbies
List all sponsors

Go Back   Friendly Metal Detecting Forums > Everything About Finds > Eye Popping, Mind Blowing Finds

Reply
  
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 08-29-2017, 10:46 AM
strumstick's Avatar
strumstick strumstick is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Posts: 73
Default

That is amazing! And you haven't seen Black Robe?!

__________________
Fisher F44, Ace 250- 6x9 & 9x12, Digitek, Garrett Carrot

Way off the beaten path

Reply With Quote


  #22  
Old 08-29-2017, 10:35 PM
thebmasur thebmasur is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Finger Lakes New York
Posts: 57
Default

Originally Posted by strumstick View post
That is amazing! And you haven't seen Black Robe?!


Thanks buddy! And no I haven't. I'll have to watch it!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote


  #23  
Old 08-30-2017, 01:10 AM
Crackerjack's Avatar
Crackerjack Crackerjack is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: The Flint Hills of Kansas.
Posts: 1,796
Talking

Originally Posted by thebmasur View post
Thanks buddy! And no I haven't. I'll have to watch it!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You're gonna love this guy!

__________________
Not in it "for the hunt"--I dig history.
http://detecting365.com/cleaning-away-history/
Teknetics EurotekPro w/ 8" coil, ProPointer AT, Lesche digging tool & Piranha.

Reply With Quote


  #24  
Old 09-08-2017, 01:44 PM
kini kini is offline
New Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Bavaria
Posts: 25
Default

The most common english language interpretation of IHS is "In His Service".
But thats not the real meaning.

The latin speaking christians of the medieval Europa donated the first three letters of the greek name of Jesus ΙΗΣΟΥΣ, iota-eta-sigma, or ΙΗΣ. So the IHS letters were born.

The Jesuits where using this in her christogram. This rings are mostly used in 17/18 Jhd. and sold by the jesuits.

In the ring can be notches or scars (i dont know the right word). Every notch is for one genration. For example: The father worn the ring and gave it to his son. Than the first scar was scretched in. And so on. I have a ring with some notches at the site of it. I try to take a photo of it if you are interested.

__________________
Sorry for my english. I am german so be gracious.

Reply With Quote


  #25  
Old 09-08-2017, 01:49 PM
Camp68 Camp68 is offline
Full Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Copperopolis Ca
Posts: 164
Default

That is very cool!! Nice find. Congrats!!
Reply With Quote


  #26  
Old 12-06-2017, 10:52 AM
Joshbiz's Avatar
Joshbiz Joshbiz is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Buford, Georgia
Posts: 35
Default

WOW next time I'm in NY I am giving you a call! that is an amazing find!! Great Job!
Reply With Quote


  #27  
Old 12-06-2017, 10:53 AM
Detector's Avatar
Detector Detector is offline
Supporter
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Dodge City KS
Posts: 9,169
Default

Grats on a very nice find!

__________________
The real treasure is in the hunt....

Reply With Quote


  #28  
Old 12-06-2017, 11:40 AM
Mud-puppy's Avatar
Mud-puppy Mud-puppy is offline
Supporter
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: West Michigan area
Posts: 8,937
Default

Its a very interesting find! Still I gotta wonder, why would anyone ever want to capture a Jesuit? Especially in the 1600's when they were wandering around the Globe as common as pennies? Jesuits carry nothing of value and have no marketable skills, they take great pride in wallowing in their barefoot poordom!

Its a complete waste of time and a low Q target, unless you want to put on a Bingo game I suppose...Its not like catching a Leprechaun or an Mayan King for golden ransom?....I could understand that..but a Jesuit? Whats to gain here? Conversation? Might as well catch a poor homeless wino and keep him out in your yard shed as if theres a challenge to that

__________________

Detecting is the study of Mankinds interaction with topography, the untrustworthiness of pockets, and metals desire to return to the Earth from whence it came.

Reply With Quote


  #29  
Old 12-06-2017, 11:48 AM
flyguy784 flyguy784 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: West Chester PA
Posts: 1,009
Default

Easy question to answer. They had nice rings!

__________________
MineLab CTX 3030, Fischer 1236-X2, Garrett Pro Pointer, Lecsh digger and Sampson T handle.

Reply With Quote


  #30  
Old 12-06-2017, 11:49 AM
flyguy784 flyguy784 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: West Chester PA
Posts: 1,009
Default

Originally Posted by kini View post
The most common english language interpretation of IHS is "In His Service".
But thats not the real meaning.

The latin speaking christians of the medieval Europa donated the first three letters of the greek name of Jesus ΙΗΣΟΥΣ, iota-eta-sigma, or ΙΗΣ. So the IHS letters were born.

The Jesuits where using this in her christogram. This rings are mostly used in 17/18 Jhd. and sold by the jesuits.

In the ring can be notches or scars (i dont know the right word). Every notch is for one genration. For example: The father worn the ring and gave it to his son. Than the first scar was scretched in. And so on. I have a ring with some notches at the site of it. I try to take a photo of it if you are interested.
That's very interesting, thanks for the research.

__________________
MineLab CTX 3030, Fischer 1236-X2, Garrett Pro Pointer, Lecsh digger and Sampson T handle.

Reply With Quote


  #31  
Old 12-06-2017, 11:50 AM
oaktree oaktree is offline
Supporter
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 58
Default

Great find congratulations! Can't wait to hear the rest of the story once you can find out more background
Reply With Quote


  #32  
Old 12-06-2017, 11:54 AM
Mud-puppy's Avatar
Mud-puppy Mud-puppy is offline
Supporter
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: West Michigan area
Posts: 8,937
Default

Originally Posted by flyguy784 View post
Easy question to answer. They had nice rings!
Still though, you dont need to physically capture them and feed them all Winter listening to their chatter all the time.....just cut off their finger and be on your way!!

__________________

Detecting is the study of Mankinds interaction with topography, the untrustworthiness of pockets, and metals desire to return to the Earth from whence it came.

Reply With Quote


  #33  
Old 12-06-2017, 11:57 AM
flyguy784 flyguy784 is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: West Chester PA
Posts: 1,009
Default

That is a very cool find. Especially considering the area found. Fur trappers, indians and settlers. Once in a lifetime I'd think. Big congrats.

__________________
MineLab CTX 3030, Fischer 1236-X2, Garrett Pro Pointer, Lecsh digger and Sampson T handle.

Reply With Quote


  #34  
Old 12-07-2017, 09:49 AM
scoundrel's Avatar
scoundrel scoundrel is offline
six feet under(water)
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: here and there
Posts: 1,092
Default

Awesome find. That is a beautiful patina, I hope you don't plan on cleaning it.

__________________
Pirate in the blood. Treasure in the soul.

Reply With Quote


  #35  
Old 12-07-2017, 10:03 AM
DanMcG's Avatar
DanMcG DanMcG is offline
Supporter
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 25
Default

That's an incredible find, congrats
Reply With Quote


  #36  
Old 12-13-2017, 11:07 PM
TriadHunter's Avatar
TriadHunter TriadHunter is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 702
Default

Originally Posted by Mud-puppy View post
Its a very interesting find! Still I gotta wonder, why would anyone ever want to capture a Jesuit? Especially in the 1600's when they were wandering around the Globe as common as pennies? Jesuits carry nothing of value and have no marketable skills, they take great pride in wallowing in their barefoot poordom!
Mud -

My understanding in rather brief reading of the complex history (in regards to Jesuit missionaries in this area of the current US) is that Jesuits got caught up in the middle of warring tribes in the area. The history of the tribes in that region during the probable time period of the owner of this ring (as stated by the OP) is fascinating and leaves the curious in a state of wonder. The possibilities are endless. The Jesuits in the New World appear to have experienced a fairly typical missionary cycle: arrival --> introduction --> acceptance --> limited conversions --> turning of tables (blamed - often rightly - for sickness that decimated tribes and guilt by association in regards to warring factions, where they were killed because they had established missions or similar within the territories of rival tribes).

If I let my imagination run a bit, this ring could have been worn by a Jesuit who became a martyr, probably at the hand of the Iroquois. It really is a spectacular find!

__________________
-Christian
ACE 400, AT-MAX. IHP's (7). Wheats (36). Barber dimes (3). Mercs (3). Rosies (2). Rings (10). Headstamps (139). Clad total: $131.88. Oldest coin: 1879 IHP.

Reply With Quote


  #37  
Old 12-13-2017, 11:11 PM
thebmasur thebmasur is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Finger Lakes New York
Posts: 57
Default

Originally Posted by TriadHunter View post
Mud -



My understanding in rather brief reading of the complex history (in regards to Jesuit missionaries in this area of the current US) is that Jesuits got caught up in the middle of warring tribes in the area. The history of the tribes in that region during the probable time period of the owner of this ring (as stated by the OP) is fascinating and leaves the curious in a state of wonder. The possibilities are endless. The Jesuits in the New World appear to have experienced a fairly typical missionary cycle: arrival --> introduction --> acceptance --> limited conversions --> turning of tables (blamed - often rightly - for sickness that decimated tribes and guilt by association in regards to warring factions, where they were killed because they had established missions or similar within the territories of rival tribes).



If I let my imagination run a bit, this ring could have been worn by a Jesuit who became a martyr, probably at the hand of the Iroquois. It really is a spectacular find!


Really appreciate this info!! Very interesting. I also had read that these rings were given to Indians as "prizes" for things such as memorizing bible verses.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Reply With Quote


  #38  
Old 12-14-2017, 12:25 AM
Delcojohn's Avatar
Delcojohn Delcojohn is offline
Full Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Media, Pennsylvania
Posts: 121
Default

very nice ring held up nice in the ground and 1650's you can't beat it awesome find congrats!
Reply With Quote


  #39  
Old 12-16-2017, 08:16 PM
Crackerjack's Avatar
Crackerjack Crackerjack is offline
Elite Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: The Flint Hills of Kansas.
Posts: 1,796
Talking

Keep digging, you may find the skeleton that ring belong(s/ed) to!

You just never know what (or who) you will "dig up".

__________________
Not in it "for the hunt"--I dig history.
http://detecting365.com/cleaning-away-history/
Teknetics EurotekPro w/ 8" coil, ProPointer AT, Lesche digging tool & Piranha.

Reply With Quote


Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:06 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.