You salt water hunters may like this (new model detector coming) Tarsucci MDT-8000

difficult situation........ comes out in 3 weeks sounds like limited production and we know Fisher is coming too..... but with Fisher its always WHEN.
 
When this mystery machine surfaces, we will have a chance to find out what it can do. Also find out who makes it, where it is made, wha it costs and the likehood of whoever the company is being around to service it in a couple of years. Not to be a “Debbie Downer”, but the history of metal detector small scale start-ups is pretty dreadful.
 
I dont disagree Rich. Some things that may have me pass on this one.... just not enough information and its coming in 3 weeks. We are now in an information world..... so i dont think you are Debbie Downer, like me you just need more information and based on the current info...... im a wait and see.
 
Thread/link above updated with additional info.

NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> * Right now...….. at minimum...…. a one-year warra
> nty. (Possibly more).
>
> * No...…. I'm not talking about the Manta.
>
> * One battery is too much? I'm not sure I understa
> nd. ---- Average Batt life is about 30-hours.
>
> * Not good for tiny gold.
>
> * Unit will come with a pigtail headphone jack ada
> pter...… for 1/8" stereo jack..... so you can use
> whatever headphones you have in your inventory. Bu
> t..... you can also purchase a custom-built headph
> one that is specific to this detector......and is
> waterproof. It is not going to be included in the
> package...… so as to keep costs down.,.,.,.,.,.,.,
> and most people are exceptionally 'choice selectiv
> e' when it comes to headphones.
>
> * You will need a custom built unit for Culpepper
> dirt. (This might change).
>
> Has anyone ever looked up IP-68 spec's? It's kind
> of interesting. 1.5 Meters deep ….for 30-Minutes.
> That's all!



NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> A few more data-points to share:
>
> * Another one of the quirks is: Coil sweep speed.
> This unit is more sensitive to horizontal velocity
> . Too slow.....and you lose depth. Too fast.....an
> d you lose depth. And this is one of the reasons '
> why' this unit is targeting 'seasoned' detectorist
> s. On a subconscious level...….a seasoned detector
> ist will automatically/subconsciously 'find the sw
> eet-spot' without any effort. This usually happens
> on the first (fairly deep) target. You will find t
> hat a medium/medium-slow sweep-speed is pinnacle.
> Then your brain will be subconsciously auto-calibr
> ated to this speed. No effort required.
> Remember; this unit is 'different'.
> Medium sweep-speed is a very 'vague' term. Differe
> ntly interpretive. But...… once again; I have zero
> concern for seasoned detectorists.
>
> * (audio) Mixed Mode. This mode is iron content an
> d non-ferrous content melded/merged together...…..
> audibly...….. in stereo.
>
> * Mfr claims "not waterproof". (I beg to differ).
>
> * A separate "Black Sand" selectable Mode.
>
> * Yes. Battery is Li-ion 26650 (Pimento.... you ea
> sily passed my test with A+! ,,, I tested......an
> d wanted to know...… if the public can 'easily' fi
> gure things out. Next test: Can seasoned detectori
> sts figure things out...… with little effort).
>
> * I hope to see the owners manual pdf uploaded/pos
> ted. Before or after product rollout. More targeti
> ng: "before".
>
> * ((( I have to be careful with this one: ))). Sel
> ectable Freq's: 6.4-Khz, 9-Khz, 12-Khz and 18-Khz.
> But. Be careful. Do not assume VLF. Do not assume
> Single Freq. ,,, It's a bit different.
>
> I think I can share this now. I have head-to-head
> tested this unit in the wet-salt. Compared to Exca
> l/CZ/Sov…(first-hand)…… this unit is deeper on rin
> gs & coins...… including Nickels. No...… it is not
> a tiny gold jewelry hunter. Yes.,.,.,.,.,., we're
> working on that; but/yet..... that may be 1 or 2 y
> ears down the pike.
>
> * Lower carbon fiber shaft can be extended to a fa
> irly good length...… for tall folks.
>
> * Yes...… 'should' be able to ship internationally
> .
 
Interesting, but somehow I don’t see how it would suit me. I am not that “disciplined”. The sweep speed limitation sounds like a pain in the rear. How do I know if I have it right, do I have to plant test pegs to check?

A beach machine with full discrimination doesn’t sound that interesting. “Cherry picking” gold jewelry from aluminum, brass, lead,etc wouldn’t be possible in any event. Simple and reliable iron ID is enough for beach jewelry hunting.

Inland, the added depth and sensitivity to high conductors sounds nice, but most folks seem to believe that the bulk of the “unfound” Silver out there is masked, rather than too deep for current detectors.
 
NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> Elbert = Correct.
> GreenMeanie = No. Started 18 years ago...… and pro
> totyped/mod'ed/upgraded/improved in those 18 years
> . Electronics are modern......and ready for produc
> tion.
> Tom = The closer you get it to wet-salt 'zero'....
> the higher you can run the Sens. It does need to b
> e fairly close.
> Brian = Shooting for release in 3-weeks.
 
Previously posted, this was not the Manta.

R5

Well then I don’t know which unit is being referred to then.
Maybe it is this unit I linked to then.
Time will tell maybe.

Looks like 3weeks est before release.
Maybe more info will be posted the closer to release date we get.
 
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The mystery man in all this wouldn’t have the initials DG would he?
 
The mystery man in all this wouldn’t have the initials DG would he?

I was asked not to reveal, but if he keeps the name of the machine the same, it would rhyme with a designer women's clothing line. :laughing:

R5
 
Several freqs..... do they ALL run on the WET salt sand? That would be pretty surprising.... and normally each freq has its own issues...... from being affected by EMI to the other side of the coin..... minerals. Few things that may not be my cup of tea.... not waterproof, 1 year warranty, bit pricy, requires a certain sweep always.... but like was mentioned you only know if you know theres a target there, sounds like single coil, not headphones, RING machine...... im looking for a small gold machine, appears to have good depth..... inches better than Xcal, but i dont know if thats in PP mode. I already dont like the Noxs small digits squeezed together. If you cant get it to wet..... and it dont like trash or lots of iron.... then it appears wet sand only.... much like a current PI. Ill wait and see how this one goes. Im still thinking...... nox and the Fisher are a good combo...IF Fisher has the right disc. Both are being compared to a very good detect that was tuned by Eric Foster himself.
 
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NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> * Right now...… there's no intentions to make the
> unit 'upgradable'. (((This helps with patents & In
> tellectual Property protection))).
>
> * John...… No. It can not defy physics. ((( I real
> ly wish it could tell small gold jewelry apart fro
> m foil ! )))
>
> * Steel bottle caps give a fairly easily distingui
> shable audio variance. Both low & high tone..... d
> ue to steel covered by a nickel or zinc coating on
> the outer surface. (Which is where electrons eddy-
> currents flow).
>
> * Yes. This unit can be run on any of the availabl
> e Freq's. I have been (nearly) exclusively using 1
> 8-Khz..... which is the most 'chatty' ; yet, talka
> tive. The lower the Freq..... the more stable the
> unit. And the lower Freq's are much deeper on coin
> s.
>
> * If running the unit on the near-instability/hair
> y-edge (Highest Freq & max Sens)…… the unit does i
> ndeed get 'chatty' when the coil hits the wet-salt
> 'splash'..... due to salt volume "CHANGE". Any of
> the other Freq's do not express this phenomenon. (
> (( I like to run detectors --somewhat beyond-- hig
> hest stable performance levels. ))) This unit DOE
> S allow you to 'overdrive' the unit...… should you
> run into that exceptionally infrequent premium con
> dition(s).
>
> * Unit is not immune to EMI; yet, is well above-av
> erage in its mitigation.
>
> * Unit does have adjustable Threshold..... which i
> s most beneficial in All Metal Mode. Yes..... All
> Metal Mode does retain VDI ID numbers.
>
> * Unit also has Tracking. ((( I have never liked t
> racking......as it 'can' possibly track-out thresh
> old-depth targets. ))) In bad dirt..... it has va
> lue-added attributes.
>
> * Detector Stand is insufficiently wide; yet, for
> a reason.....I shall withhold rationale …. for now
> .
>
> * Sens goes from 1-9. ((( So far...… this appears
> to be plenty of span & resolution. )))
 
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NASA-Tom Wrote:
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> * There are NO hidden menu's. Everything is out in
> the open..... on the faceplate & LCD screen.
>
> * The last 20% of fringe depth presents more ID 'b
> ounce'. (((Keep in mind the depths this might be.)
> ))
>
> * Audio (sort of) sounds more 'sonar' based. The a
> udio is a little different.
 
Im wanting a PI that will hit small gold..... run in 2 tones .... CLEARLY IDs iron. TID normally means less depth due to processing the signal...... so i dont really need that.... most of the time it just makes me spend time second guessing targets.... or getting ticked off that the digits are all over the place. I also like modulation of targets...... small/deep from large. Still guessing its not warrantied for IN the water hunting. Ive asked how deep it will hit a dime in the wet sand.... thats a pretty good tell for me. I not negative about the machine.... i just spend 90% of my time in the water.
 
swing speed

when i used it there was zero problem regarding swing speed and i believe raider 5 is on the same page
 
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