Saw the surgeon yesterday...depressed

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Hi,

First off, I don't want people to think I wrote this for the "poor me" types of reasons. There are a lot of people going through more than me (including people on this list). I just need to talk, in general, so to speak. Since so many of you have been so friendly to me, I decided to talk here.

Some of you know, and many do not, I have been diagnosed with a cervical spine injury (four seperate diagnosis). I have been a bit of a ping pong ball going to three different doctors and physical therapy, in three different cities over the last three months. I have also become very good at talking to insurance companies, third party certifiers, pain clinic specialists, etc.

Anyway, I saw my surgeon yesterday and was a bit depressed after leaving.

First, the good news. I have been put on hold by my insurance company for two months now. They do not want to cover one minor procedure that he wants done and they do not want to cover the surgery that he thinks is needed. He believes that he has completed, or nearly completed all of the steps to get me fixed. Other than swinging a coil, my other main hobby is kayaking. I haven't been in a kayak for a year and a half. He told me that he is hoping to have me in a kayak before the freeze of 2011. It's a ways away but at least it is a goal that is still there.

Second, the not so good news. I also asked about MD'ing since it hurts extremely bad to move my arm in the side to side motion (the last time I tried was for less than an hour and hurt for three days afterwards). He told me that he is in hopes that he can stabilize the neck enough to make it possible...BUT since there is damage and scarring on the spinal cord, I might have that pain the rest of my life. Not a yes but not a no either.

Third, the bad news. I am off of work on short term disability. It lasts for six months. I have paid premiums for five years for long term disability which will kick in after the short term is up. I found out that my company does not offer health insurance to those on long term disability (only during short term disability), just a paycheck and a guarantee of a job. I have roughly 70 days left on my insurance. It's not possible to get the minor procedure done, then wait for the healing time and then have the surgery, go through all of the rehab and follow up appointments, etc. in 70 days...and I cannot be released to go back to work to protect my insurance before all is done (my insurance company is the best at stalling on EVERYTHING). I am at a loss as to what to do.

I know that it sound like I am feeling sorry for myself and I really am not. My neck injuries are my fault (motorcycle accident, dropped on my head by a professional wrestler and a near fatal kayak accident). I just need to sound off a bit. I appreciate your time reading this.

Thanks for all of the great friends that I have made on the forum.

Doug
 
Really does suck :( I though now insurance companies couldn't NOT pay for stuff... did that never happen?
 
Really does suck :( I though now insurance companies couldn't NOT pay for stuff... did that never happen?

I don't know what all got passed. I do know that a LOT doesn't go into effect until 2012-2014 and there is supposed to be a grandfather clause for insurance companies that already comply with "most" of the overhaul...at least that is my understanding from the local news sources.

Doug
 
I would give a call to the state insurance Commissioner and see what they might do to help you
 
Stay strong bud, and don't give up.I know what your'e going thru, not personally but with a much loved one.
God Bless.
 
My friend, ho long do you have to be at work to reset the short term disability clock? I have some other thoughts but will send them in an email.

--MW
 
Doug,

Check with the personnel department where you work. You should be able to keep your current health insurance through COBRA (Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act). COBRA gives workers and their families who lose their health benefits the right to choose to continue group health benefits provided by their group health plan for limited periods of time under certain circumstances such as voluntary or involuntary job loss, reduction in the hours worked, transition between jobs, death, divorce, and other life events. Qualified individuals may be required to pay the entire premium for coverage up to 102 percent of the cost to the plan.

Check this link. It will cost you more than what you were paying while employed, but it may be worth it since your current disability would not be excluded. If you can't get a satisfactory answer from your personnel department then contact your state health insurance commissioner. Good luck.
 
Really does suck :( I though now insurance companies couldn't NOT pay for stuff... did that never happen?
It's been my experience with most insurance companies, they never want to pay. Period. Paying claims sure cuts into profits. Whether medical, automotive, etc.

Granted, there is a lot of fraud out there, but the insurance companies will take your money for years, and then recoil in horror when asked to pay anything. It's one of their tactics. Of course, nothing personal, the save a lot of money playing that game. Their profits are more important to them then your loss, in the end.

Is there any free legal consultation available to you? Sometimes just a letter, and knowing that a lawyer is involved, can spur them into paying up.

Hope you're back to health and swingin' again soon.
 
It's been my experience with most insurance companies, they never want to pay. Period. Paying claims sure cuts into profits. Whether medical, automotive, etc.

Granted, there is a lot of fraud out there, but the insurance companies will take your money for years, and then recoil in horror when asked to pay anything. It's one of their tactics. Of course, nothing personal, the save a lot of money playing that game. Their profits are more important to them then your loss, in the end.

Is there any free legal consultation available to you? Sometimes just a letter, and knowing that a lawyer is involved, can spur them into paying up.

Hope you're back to health and swingin' again soon.

I keyed on the comment he made in his original thread

"I found out that my company does not offer health insurance to those on long term disability (only during short term disability), just a paycheck and a guarantee of a job. I have roughly 70 days left on my insurance."​

That is why I suggested he contact the personnel dept about COBRA coverage. This is an old law and it allows him to keep his existing health insurance for a period of at least 18 months. The alternatives are gruesome because any other health insurance company would consider his spine problem a pre-existing condition and would, at best, not cover any treatment of his spine for quite a while, at worst, they would turn him down (at least until the appropriate sections of the new healthcare laws become effective).
 
Rudy - I have checked into the COBRA option and it's not pretty! The cost on it is approximately 85% of the net disability pay they are paying me.


digdug1968 - I am not aware of any free legal consultation in my area...my father-in-law's family/business attorney will probably let me do the payment plan thing with him, if legal costs get expensive. I am considereing having my father-in-law set up an appt. to see if there is anything I can do to stop the stall process.

RickO - I am working through all of the options that I can. I am going to contact the Insurance Commissioner's Office this week. I am going to try AGAIN and see if the surgeon can convince the factory that I work for to temporarily re-assign me to another position that I can physically do until the PT is over, the minor procedure is over and then take a second leave for the surgery, if it is still needed.

I tried this with my family doctor. It was actually her idea. She sent them a letter telling them that the job I was doing was causing extreme pain and could they put me on a job temporoarily that would be physically easier on me. The response of Human Resources was "Sorry, we cannot honor that request." and "Go back to work." That was the last week that I worked. There are jobs that I can do but I don't have the seniority for even a temporary position on them, and we are non-union.

I have already been told by the insurance company that they are going to deny my next appeal for the procedure the surgeon wants to do (even if I do eleven more weeks of PT). The whole deny/appeal time for each round usually lasts about eight weeks. If they roadblock on every procedure, I will spend the entire COBRA time waiting for approvals. I got a letter in the mail yesterday from the insurance company telling me I was assessed a $1,000.00+ penalty (percentage of the total cost) because I didn't get the MRI pre-certified that was needed to determine that extent of the spinal cord injury. I now know what will happen if I don't do the pre cert. thing.

Sorry once again for ranting. I really do appreciate all of the ideas and comments.

Sincerely,
Doug
 
concerning COBRA - My HR supervisor was telling me that they though it would only be available for a total of 60 or 90 days. She would check into it.

Are the laws different since I don't have a "real" third party insurance company? Everything is company self pay instead of a third party company.

Doug
 
Rudy - I have checked into the COBRA option and it's not pretty! The cost on it is approximately 85% of the net disability pay they are paying me.


digdug1968 - I am not aware of any free legal consultation in my area...my father-in-law's family/business attorney will probably let me do the payment plan thing with him, if legal costs get expensive. I am considereing having my father-in-law set up an appt. to see if there is anything I can do to stop the stall process.

RickO - I am working through all of the options that I can. I am going to contact the Insurance Commissioner's Office this week. I am going to try AGAIN and see if the surgeon can convince the factory that I work for to temporarily re-assign me to another position that I can physically do until the PT is over, the minor procedure is over and then take a second leave for the surgery, if it is still needed.

I tried this with my family doctor. It was actually her idea. She sent them a letter telling them that the job I was doing was causing extreme pain and could they put me on a job temporoarily that would be physically easier on me. The response of Human Resources was "Sorry, we cannot honor that request." and "Go back to work." That was the last week that I worked. There are jobs that I can do but I don't have the seniority for even a temporary position on them, and we are non-union.

I have already been told by the insurance company that they are going to deny my next appeal for the procedure the surgeon wants to do (even if I do eleven more weeks of PT). The whole deny/appeal time for each round usually lasts about eight weeks. If they roadblock on every procedure, I will spend the entire COBRA time waiting for approvals. I got a letter in the mail yesterday from the insurance company telling me I was assessed a $1,000.00+ penalty (percentage of the total cost) because I didn't get the MRI pre-certified that was needed to determine that extent of the spinal cord injury. I now know what will happen if I don't do the pre cert. thing.

Sorry once again for ranting. I really do appreciate all of the ideas and comments.

Sincerely,
Doug

Doug,

You gotta contact your state insurance commissioner, followed by your local news outlets (newspaper & TV) plus your local congressman/woman (elections are coming and they love to be seen helping the "little people"). You should she as much "media light" on this as you can (I am assuming you are keeping all written communications and keeping records of verbal contacts with the insurance). You should also ask your doctor for copies of the letters he's sent to the insurance company on your behalf, as well as responses he has received.

Basically, you can put a lot of heat on the insurance company.
 
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