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Old 10-07-2018, 10:15 PM
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My friend Tom can tell, with his Tesoro Silver uMax, ~90% of the time, what he's about to dig. I bring my AT Pro over, and it agrees with what he says it is most of the time, and he's right.


I don't have a Tesoro, but watching tom with it makes me wonder if I shouldn't get one.


BTW, he's blind and has learned his machine better than most people....he's incredibly impressive with his identification of targets. I've been hunting with him for a year (as of Monday) and he's been wrong maybe a half dozen times, tops.

i'll bet his hearing is better developed because he is blind!..this happens frequently that one of the senses becomes better as a result of disability..in any event,that is remarkable but can be done if one listens carefully to a tesoro's audio!

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Old 10-07-2018, 10:16 PM
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Old 10-08-2018, 11:07 AM
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Well there's a reason for that.. what do you suppose would have happened if they had been given say a month warning in advance?
I'm sure the employees didn't depart with empty pockets. Bankruptcy is leaving with no compensation.. restructuring will give out something
Maybe I am old school, but I know of employers(not mine) that respect and care for their employees, If something like this happened they give 2 weeks notice so people can look for another job and make plans. These employers are also the ones that make sure employees and their families can afford a house and so on. I spend more money at those places and refuse to spend money at the others.
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Old 10-08-2018, 02:48 PM
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Sounds like the owners did it to themselves, and the employees. If the technology is 20 to 30 years old and they failed to invest and develop new products, ESPECIALLY with electronics, they are lucky to have held on this long. Kinda' like letting the Golden Goose starve to death.

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Old 10-08-2018, 07:36 PM
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As cold as it seems to give no warning, in most instances it can be risky to give the employees notice of an impending shut down or layoff. The risk of theft, sabotage or worse is taken into consideration when a company goes through this. That is why people are usually removed from their work space when given the news and then not allowed back in unsupervised to gather their stuff.

If the situation was bad enough for them to just shut the doors then the employees should have been able to see the signs.

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Old 10-09-2018, 01:38 PM
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As cold as it seems to give no warning, in most instances it can be risky to give the employees notice of an impending shut down or layoff. The risk of theft, sabotage or worse is taken into consideration when a company goes through this. That is why people are usually removed from their work space when given the news and then not allowed back in unsupervised to gather their stuff.

If the situation was bad enough for them to just shut the doors then the employees should have been able to see the signs.
you are correct! "cleaning the place out" could be on their minds after being deceived!..always a possibility.

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Old 10-09-2018, 01:51 PM
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Maybe I am old school, but I know of employers(not mine) that respect and care for their employees, If something like this happened they give 2 weeks notice so people can look for another job and make plans. These employers are also the ones that make sure employees and their families can afford a house and so on. I spend more money at those places and refuse to spend money at the others.
If I heard correctly, they were laid off due to restructuring. They will be compensated. If a 2 week warning was given tesoro would have put itself in a serious bind. Obviously, the news would have leaked to both dealers and consumers. The phones would have been ringing nonstop from dealers trying to return goods and consumer complaints, etc etc.. also run the risk of employee theft, sabotage, etc etc. The list is long and I'm sure tesoro weighed both sides and did what they felt was best.

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Old 10-09-2018, 10:28 PM
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Restructuring?
These are not exactly the moves of a company that is planning on doing that.
They blindsided their employees, they blindsided their dealers, Elton from Findmall called and talked to someone there and was told these moves were mearly damage control.
I told him he was probably lied to.
How is cutting off your only revenue stream "damage control"?
Are they waiting for detector fairies to show up with a bunch of new detector designs and then they plan on rehiring their workforce and everything will be better than ever?
Anyone that screws over their employees and dealers this way are not above lying about anything to anyone just to keep up appearances for as long as possible.
My theory, anyway, but I have seen other business owners act exactly like this and ultimately it was all a stall until they had a chance to squeeze all the money they could out of their business then they faded out as quietly as they could.

Like Sears if they had a smarter leader that made better more logical business moves both companies histories would have been written up differently.
Sears has been having the longest going out of business sale in history, they won't be around much longer.
Tesoro had a Luddite at the helm, it was never a big company and probably would have survived if they had done even a little of what other companies in our modern age do, have a presence on social media and communicate with their customers.
To bad Vince was no leader in any sense of the term.

Maybe a big company like First Texas will buy them.
If they did they probably might make a go of it and even improve some models or even come out with new ones but then it occurs to me why should they?
How much money can they really make off of them?
First Texas makes a huge amount of money on just their Bounty Hunter line being sold by the tons in most of the big box stores.
Probably a mess of bucks off their other lines too.
Their security division, I suspect, might even make more than than their entire hobby line.
They might have room in their big new warehouse/manufacturing plant for the Tesoro line but would it make business sense to take them on?
I doubt Garrett would want to take them over for similar reasons...I don't think they are as big as FTP anyway and might not have the resources or the interest.
Somebody else might buy them out and get things going again, an entrepreneur, but in this business are these old throwback analog tools exactly the kind of products you want to do a lot of investing in and take a chance on?
Sure if you had a new idea for a miraculous different kind of detector that nobody has seen before I can see going in full speed ahead but nobody I know except Tesoro was in the business of making money on decades old tech.
Even with better leadership it might be possible nobody can for very long.
Many of us loved them and still bought their product but in this day and age even with a small company like this is that enough?

Hopefully they will stay around in one form or another, still honor their warranties and supply their unique niche style detectors but only time will tell.
you are right about sears. sears and k-mart were both sucking hind titties in the retail market. so they merged. the dunces at the top thought 0 + 0 = 4 or some other positive number. Once upon a time sears and k-mart were very well managed companies. But they did not change their business model when Walmart established a base in smaller towns and then invaded the sears and k-mart territories in the larger towns.

all retail is grappling with Amazon and other Internet based stores.

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Old 10-09-2018, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by choppadude View post
People bust on unions but at least they give you protections against things like this.
I used to be anti-union after working in fortune 500 companies in technology.
But I have come to believe that unions are the only thing that will protect the workers. But the big firms responded by moving virtually all their manufacturing out of the US. See where that got us. We now have cheap ass products from china with no strong middle class able to buy these cheap ass products.

I would buy all American if I could, but guess what, that would limit me to few and no products other than wood craft products made by mom and pop. look at Target and walmart. most of the stuff is made in china or india or anywhere but the us.

US should put even higher tariffs on China. the chinese communist are not to be trusted. see what they have been putting on all of our server computers? spy chips. We in the US are just babies when it comes to devious behavior on the world stage.

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Old 10-10-2018, 02:31 AM
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Originally Posted by maxxkatt View post
I used to be anti-union after working in fortune 500 companies in technology.
But I have come to believe that unions are the only thing that will protect the workers. But the big firms responded by moving virtually all their manufacturing out of the US. See where that got us. We now have cheap ass products from china with no strong middle class able to buy these cheap ass products.

I would buy all American if I could, but guess what, that would limit me to few and no products other than wood craft products made by mom and pop. look at Target and walmart. most of the stuff is made in china or india or anywhere but the us.

US should put even higher tariffs on China. the chinese communist are not to be trusted. see what they have been putting on all of our server computers? spy chips. We in the US are just babies when it comes to devious behavior on the world stage.
everybody wants to take a "shot' at uncle sap!..we are beginning to learn,and that's why the chinese are mad at us! god bless him! a man of integrity.

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Old 10-10-2018, 03:56 AM
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everybody wants to take a "shot' at uncle sap!..we are beginning to learn,and that's why the chinese are mad at us! god bless him! a man of integrity.

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I suppose the answer is to go back to trading in honest money. These trade issues/imbalances will work themselves out fairly quickly.

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Old 10-16-2018, 08:27 AM
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Maybe I am old school, but I know of employers(not mine) that respect and care for their employees, If something like this happened they give 2 weeks notice so people can look for another job and make plans. These employers are also the ones that make sure employees and their families can afford a house and so on. I spend more money at those places and refuse to spend money at the others.
I am old school also. best company I ever worked for was a family owned business where the founder started the company 20 years before I came to work for him and was still president. He treated his customers and employees fairly all the time.

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today,ANY company that ignores social media does so at their own peril!

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I used to be their tech from 2011 -2013. I was very active with the social media. I cannot say what they did since. However I will say this, Nathan and myself begged Vince to come out with a detector that used new technology. He refused. He was even told his last design at the time wasn't anything new and actually wasn't that great by his lead tech. When he heard this, he shut down and locked himself in his office for a long time. Not trying to bad mouth him, however we told him back in 2012 that if he doesn't come up with a new machine with modern feature, it would be the end of the company.
I am sad to hear about Jack. I just found out.

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To me it’s a shame to see any detector company go out, especially a USA based long-run company. Love, love love the Compadres. Glad I have 2.

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To me it’s a shame to see any detector company go out, especially a USA based long-run company. Love, love love the Compadres. Glad I have 2.
If I retrieve mine you could have a third! Just sayin.

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I used to be their tech from 2011 -2013. I was very active with the social media. I cannot say what they did since. However I will say this, Nathan and myself begged Vince to come out with a detector that used new technology. He refused. He was even told his last design at the time wasn't anything new and actually wasn't that great by his lead tech. When he heard this, he shut down and locked himself in his office for a long time. Not trying to bad mouth him, however we told him back in 2012 that if he doesn't come up with a new machine with modern feature, it would be the end of the company.
I am sad to hear about Jack. I just found out.
this is truly sad..it sounds like vince wasn't capable of developing a new detector.
if this was the case, he should have attempted to hire some one who could. maybe he was in "denial" in any event,as you mentioned, too late now!

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Well, I guess we now know what happened to the Cazador.

Funny, Jack kept doing the same thing - better and better - but the same. The only “different” detectors were the Diablo micromax and the Lobo Super Trac. These were designed by Dave Johnson, who worked for Tesoro while he designed them.

It does seem as if after Jack left, Vince thought he was all the engineering talent Tesoro needed - pretty much like Jack thought (except for the Dave Johnson bit). Difference was that Vince apparently wasn’t the engineer that Jack was or that Vince thought he was.

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I used to be their tech from 2011 -2013. I was very active with the social media. I cannot say what they did since. However I will say this, Nathan and myself begged Vince to come out with a detector that used new technology. He refused. He was even told his last design at the time wasn't anything new and actually wasn't that great by his lead tech. When he heard this, he shut down and locked himself in his office for a long time. Not trying to bad mouth him, however we told him back in 2012 that if he doesn't come up with a new machine with modern feature, it would be the end of the company.
I am sad to hear about Jack. I just found out.
you musta told him about the "cazador!"

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I used to be their tech from 2011 -2013. I was very active with the social media. I cannot say what they did since. However I will say this, Nathan and myself begged Vince to come out with a detector that used new technology. He refused. He was even told his last design at the time wasn't anything new and actually wasn't that great by his lead tech. When he heard this, he shut down and locked himself in his office for a long time. Not trying to bad mouth him, however we told him back in 2012 that if he doesn't come up with a new machine with modern feature, it would be the end of the company.
I am sad to hear about Jack. I just found out.
I remember you, I was big into my Vaquero and Compadre at the time... especially the Compadre.

As I said the leader had no vision.
His brother knew it and now it seems the employees knew it too but nobody had the power to do anything about it.
I don't know much about the manufacturing end of this business, it might be that there weren't any competent designers and programmers available on the market at the time, or, if there were they could have been too expensive to hire.
However I have no clue.
Hindsight is sure a wonderful thing, though, larger companies have made some serious mistakes and lost it all like Blockbuster, (Netflix wanted them to buy them out years ago),
and Kodak who invented the first digital camera but sat on it until it was too late because they still believed film was going to be their main revenue stream forever.
Vince is in good company, or bad company if you want to look at it that way.

I saw the film and state of the factory, hopefully Vince is still in there fixing broken detectors and is sending them back to the owners and will continue to do that until he can't anymore.
They told people to keep sending them in for repair despite the fact that they saw the writing on the wall and now there still seems to be several that are still there and the owners have no idea what is happening.
At the very least Vince should send them all back repaired or not, I would do that, anyway.

Tesoro had a great legacy, they made tools that many of us just enjoy using and that will probably use far into the future but if Vince screws loyal customers out of their property, folds up and just fades away, that is going to leave a black mark on their legacy and a very bad taste in many owners mouth.
It's one thing to shut down a company but it is quite another to consciously screw over once loyal customers on the way down.
Hope that isn't going to be the final epitaph for a once proud company.

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Tesoro’s are a coin hunters dream.set the disc up all the way and just dig coins..What could be better? I don’t get it Somtimes,the harder and more difficult a machine is the better it is at finding that elusive nickel everyone else missed.
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