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Old 08-01-2018, 12:42 AM
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So one night last winter I stumbled across a guy swinging a detector I didn't recognize. I could tell he was a little bummed I saw it so I looked away and promised I would keep my mouth shut. After talking for awhile I recommended a better beach for testing. One that has a section of black wet sand, clean white sand and an area of extreme black dry sand all within a couple hundred yards.
We arranged to meet there a couple weeks later and I brought my multi freq and pi. We went to the the middle of the beach where the black sand was horrible. He buried a quarter, nickel and penny deep. I tried my multi first and could not hit any of the coins. In either all metal or disc wide open. I then used my pi and 2 of the 3 maybe because I knew they were there. I then tried his new detector and hit all 3 pretty easily. I was completely blown away.
Here's what I can say about this detector. It is all carbon fiber and feels similar in weight to an F2. It has a all black sand feature that is separate from ground balance. As well as a way to adjust for salinity that is separate from ground balance. There is a disc mode, all metal and mixed where you get both at once. He said it's not single, multi, pi or zero voltage but something new which is why I couldn't say anything about it until his patents cleared. It's made in California and will be available in a few weeks.
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Old 08-01-2018, 06:13 AM
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This sounds very exciting. Hopefully it will be affordable and useful in the dirt too.
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Old 08-01-2018, 06:25 AM
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Mmmmmmhhh

So it's not a PI or transmitting any frequency? Can't be off of electro magnet if it's gonna hit non ferrous targets. Not sure what zero voltage is, but sounds suspect.

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Old 08-01-2018, 07:14 AM
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hmmm.

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Old 08-01-2018, 08:14 AM
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here's a little something about the ZVT


https://www.minelab.com/treasure-tal...ansmission-zvt



I too would be suspect...but I'm also interested in what comes of it, if anything. It takes quite awhile for patents to go through, so if it really IS something new, it will be awhile. Even if his patents all were approved the day after you spoke with him, it would take a long time to get set up to manufacture a large quantity of new detectors.


Here's hoping though. Did he say anything about cost?

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Old 08-01-2018, 10:58 AM
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the production is done,now its just the manuals
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Old 08-02-2018, 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by The Lama View post
... He said it's not single, multi, pi or zero voltage but something new which is why I couldn't say anything about it until his patents cleared. It's made in California and will be available in a few weeks.
The thought of a new beach machine is exciting!

Recently there were detector trade shows in Las Vegas and Paris. Lots of new vendors and models were showcased and said to be coming to market soon. Perhaps you can do some google-searching and see if you find a match to the one you saw?

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Old 08-02-2018, 01:11 PM
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I guess I better sell my ctx and nox now.

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Old 08-02-2018, 02:06 PM
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I guess I better sell my ctx and nox now.
Don't go to the trouble of selling them...no one will want them....to do you a favor, I'll take them off your hands. I'll even split the shipping cost with you



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Old 08-02-2018, 11:44 PM
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It"s not necessarily a beach machine i think it was designed as an all around detector,by the way the last time i met the guy that developed it i brought raider 5 so he also got to try it.I also invited Darth Finger but he was having a cocktail party in which he only invited girls,come to think of it i haven"t heard from him since.
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Old 08-03-2018, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by The Lama View post
It"s not necessarily a beach machine i think it was designed as an all around detector,by the way the last time i met the guy that developed it i brought raider 5 so he also got to try it.I also invited Darth Finger but he was having a cocktail party in which he only invited girls,come to think of it i haven"t heard from him since.
ha ha ha, I'd be interested to hear Daves review too

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Old 08-04-2018, 04:35 PM
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I also invited Darth Finger but he was having a cocktail party in which he only invited girls,come to think of it i haven"t heard from him since.
Last I saw, he was getting swallowed up...



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Originally Posted by Darth_Finger View post
I guess I better sell my ctx and nox now.
I'll take your CTX I already have the 800.

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Old 08-03-2018, 11:32 PM
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I new Tesoro would release a new detector eventually

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Old 08-04-2018, 11:22 AM
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I'm highly skeptical of a "brand new technology" created by a lone individual.

Two of your statements are at direct conflict with each other. You said is had a GB adjust, AND a black sand adjustment??? AND a seawater adjust , then you come back and say its not a beach machine. Thats suspect as well.

If I'm wrong and the next leap forward in detecting tech is about release, I'll be one of the first to buy one. Until then, my money has better uses.

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Yup... I met The Lama and his friend a few weeks ago and spent about an hour running the new machine against the SovWOT.

Lama, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this gentleman said he worked for Fisher in years past. Nice guy. He was very excited about his machine which I'll refer to as "The X". Yes, he said it was new technology, not single-freq, not multi, and not PI. And yes, he said his patent should clear any day.

My SovWOT is hip-mounted with a home made CF shaft holding the 15" WOT. The X had a CF shaft with the controls mounted on the handle and lithium batteries that, if I remember correct, dropped down into the upper shaft. I believe it had an 8.5"X11" coil. The X, with batteries, was about the same weight as my CF shaft with the WOT. The controls aren't waterproof, but he said it would be okay if you dropped it in the water as long as you got it out quickly.

I didn't play with the controls... volume, sensitivity, etc. He just set it up and I ran with it. He did mention you can change the hunting frequency, so it leads me to believe The X is capable of multiple frequencies, but can only transmit one at a time.

We focused on a nickel and quarter buried 8"-12" in wet, black sand just outside the water line. We didn't test gold or silver and didn't test the coins with nails or other iron near or on the target.

My SovWOT picked up every target his machine hit, but while I was digging a change in the threshold, The X gave a more clear, repeatable tone. I have a very purposeful slow swing with the SovWOT, but with The X I could swing much quicker and pick up a very noticeable tone over the target. When I slowed the swing speed with The X, it was as if you could hear the target approaching, then becoming louder directly over the target, and then fading as the coil moved away. This made pinpointing off the tip of the coil a little different, but I could get used to it. I did pick up some falsing as I scraped the sand while walking, but I presume this would be remedied by adjusting the sensitivity.

After using OBN's Skullys on the SovWOT for the last five years, I'm very particular about headphones cutting out ambient noise. This was my main complaint with The X. Wind noise, waves, and beach conversations came in loud and clear. I had to focus to hear average targets and it was VERY difficult to hear faint tones.

Overall, The X was a good unit. Light, quickly recognized targets, seemed to filter the black sand well, and good repeatable tones. I'd like to run one for a week to put it through the ringer... test gold and silver, mixed targets with iron, play with the sensitivity, etc. I would also like to experience it with much better headphones.

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Old 08-09-2018, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Ra1der5 View post
Yup... I met The Lama and his friend a few weeks ago and spent about an hour running the new machine against the SovWOT...Overall, The X was a good unit. R5
^^^This was value added. Was thinking it was a story until you chimed in.

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Patents are not a secret - With this guys name or the patent number, you can easily find the application or award.https://patents.justia.com
Was about to post the same thing. My money is this "model-X" is based on VLF tech, unless it is somehow the mysterious Manta detector which is an alleged PI.

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I new Tesoro would release a new detector eventually

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I new Tesoro would release a new detector eventually

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No need.....still cutting edge

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i did call you darth you were busy entertaining at your cocktail party which you only invited girls,by the way i hear some members of the transgender metaldetecting club snuck in
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