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Old 08-20-2018, 02:32 PM
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Default Copper coin/token, can't ID

I found this copper coin, size of a large cent or 1/2 farthing. It was toasted so I tumbled it for a while to see what I could ID off it. One side seems to be pretty clearly Britannia, while the other side looks like several lines of text and possibly "1830" at the bottom of the text side. I can't find anything matching this combination online - does it look familiar to anyone?

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Old 08-20-2018, 03:14 PM
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Some kind of a tradesman token, probably. But without any more info it will be very difficult to identify.


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Old 08-20-2018, 04:26 PM
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Put flower on it and lightly wipe it away with a finger. The raised spots will stick out more and it makes things way easier to read. Then just a quick rinse when your done and the flower is gone. Post up some pics when you do it
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dlax,
What is exact diameter?
A Farthing is 23mm, a half-penny is 29mm, a US large cent is 28.5mm.

The first picture matches a King George I, II or III pretty well. Note horizontal arm on the left and the head is away from the coin's rim.
It is the other side that is a mystery with the horizontal writing. All the half-pennies & Farthings have the King's bust on the other side.

Another possibility is that this coin is 'counter stamped' and this is the text we see.

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Old 08-21-2018, 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by waltr View post
dlax,
What is exact diameter?
A Farthing is 23mm, a half-penny is 29mm, a US large cent is 28.5mm.

The first picture matches a King George I, II or III pretty well. Note horizontal arm on the left and the head is away from the coin's rim.
It is the other side that is a mystery with the horizontal writing. All the half-pennies & Farthings have the King's bust on the other side.

Another possibility is that this coin is 'counter stamped' and this is the text we see.
It is just slightly more than 28mm, so maybe a worn down halfpenny or large cent.

I would have also expected a bust on the opposite site, it's this text pattern that is throwing me off. I did find this site with a lot of examples of British tokens, many of them featuring a seated Briannia, so I think it may be something along these lines: https://www.baldwin.co.uk/media/cms/...H%20TOKENS.pdf

Counter stamped is another idea, didn't think of that. Thanks for your help!
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Old 08-21-2018, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by coin chaser View post
Put flower on it and lightly wipe it away with a finger. The raised spots will stick out more and it makes things way easier to read. Then just a quick rinse when your done and the flower is gone. Post up some pics when you do it
Ha, I remember posting this tip 1-2 years ago for someone that this trick worked SO well on, it was an ad plate for men's collars that become so crystal clear (I learned the trick at a cemetery tour to read old headstones). I didn't think to try it on this coin since it is raised rather than engraved, but just gave it a shot and couldn't get any additional detail from it Thanks for the idea though!!
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Old 08-21-2018, 02:45 PM
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Try lighting the text side from the side at different angles with a strong flashlight.
Just work on picking out letters not whole words.
Post where you see them and maybe someone will recognize what it says.

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Old 08-21-2018, 03:03 PM
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Yes, your first pic is Lady Britannia just like on KG half-penny. It is the text on the other side that doesn't match anything.

Been trying to research and your british token link reminded me of reading about Evasion coins.
These were made to look like current coins, KG half-penny, but were enough different to be not prosecuted for counterfeiting (which was very common). Legally these were tokens.

So this may be an evasion coin, one side looks like a KG half-penny so could be passed off if person didn't look at other side.

Some links:
http://www.thecoppercorner.com/histo...ions_hist.html

http://www.abccoinsandtokens.com/Evasions.html
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Old 08-21-2018, 03:35 PM
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I think the front looks pretty close to this one, but the back Iím not sure about... it seems like the text on yours is straight, rather than arched like at the link for this one:
https://nashuacoins.com/shop/hard-ti...ass-vf-ht-156/
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Old 08-21-2018, 03:43 PM
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Oh, hey, hereís one with straight text like yours, tough to see the details to be sure of a match... anyone?: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...oken-154503560
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Old 08-21-2018, 08:55 PM
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I think we have a winner.

The "1833 BUTTON MAKER Hard Times Token ROBINSON JONES & CO." looks to be a very good match on both sides.

Even the "AMERICAN INSTITUTE" text above the lady Britannia looks like a match.

Comparing the back side of the token and OP's second pic I feel the text does match.

Great job NHBenz.
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Old 08-24-2018, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by NHBenz View post
Oh, hey, hereís one with straight text like yours, tough to see the details to be sure of a match... anyone?: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...oken-154503560
Wow that's it!!! Amazing catch, thank you!!!
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