Rifle?

Karmold · Oct 13, 2013

Hey Folks,

Crossposting from my other thread for some help on ID'ing some stuff.

I found this in a Dutch forest near a WW2 German military camp. Initially thought it might be some tubing, but the iron sight led me to believe it might be a rifle.

The length is approx. 116cm, which seems a bit long. Wikipedia tells me that most rifles, incl. the butt were that long. Is this a rifle or not? Can anyone help me ID this?

I've also found a rifle bullet with the following marking: P1G3?S 38
Would 38 be the year of manufacture?

Thanks in advance!

taz42o · Oct 13, 2013

Does not look like a rifle barrel but hard to tell in that condition maybe try some electolysis.

The casing marked NWM is from the dutch ammo factory Nederlandsche Wapen-en Munitiefabriek

The other headstamp sounds german with 38 being the year . pics and measurement will help.

Voriax · Oct 13, 2013

Imho a bit too simple sight for a ww2 era rifle. That headstamp is likely German 'P' coded stamp. It should have 4 markings telling the factory, case metal, batch number and year of manufacture.

Voriax

Karmold · Oct 13, 2013

Hey Folks,

Thanks for your replies so far.
I've taken some more images of both the barrel and the bullet casing:

The other end of the barrel, it seems like it's solid metal. Also note some bits sticking out of the barrel

Another picture of the barrel and iron sight:

I stuck the casing in there for size reference:

Bullet casing with size reference (metric):

I hope these will help shed some light on these!
Full album with high-res versions: http://imgur.com/a/zIA5V#0

Karmold · Oct 13, 2013

I just cleaned the bullet a bit more.
The complete mark is: P103 S 5 38
Anyone know what this indicates?

My post with more pictures of the bullet and barrel should show up once mod-approved.

Edit: I followed up on Voriax's tip, and looked into P-codes

The headstamp format seems to match the German WW2 ammo standards, however:
- the case metal+plating agency+steel analysis combo is not the way it's described on the link above. Instead, I just have the letter "S" at 3 o'clock
- the manufacturer's P code (P103) doesn't seem to show up on any lists

icy mike · Oct 13, 2013

shot gun barrel perhaps??? that would be a pretty big bore for a rifle with that thin of steel.

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