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There are plenty of programs for the CTX where you can notch out bottle caps...you will loose depth but you wont dig many bottle caps...as far as the Nox try digging targets with stable ID's and you will dig less caps...If finding gold was easy everyone would be doing it lol...Me I want to go to Italy like that other fella on the board he finds all the gold.
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![]() Originally Posted by cutaplug View postYes. The "standard coin machines" (like the CTX) will favor high conductors. Ok, so what ? And yes, other machines, like the 800, can-be-set up to "favor" mids and low conductors. But IMHO, at the end of the day, I'll bet that the 800 doesn't get normal gold rings any deeper than the CTX. You can simply notch out everything from corroded zincs and up, on your CTX, right ? ![]() If you don't want to notch out highs, and want something that truly "favors" low conductors, then : You'd have to go with a pulse. For example: Pulse machines will get a nickel deeper than a quarter. Even though the quarter is the larger target. That was why .... all-things-being equal .... pulse guys tended to end up with a higher percentage of nickels in their coin-counts. Thus, in theory, would likewise have a higher ratio of gold rings. (If ... that is ... the myriad of targets were on the fringe depths of detection depth range.) But of course if you go to a pulse, you'll loose iron ID ![]() There are also 2-filter Tesoros that "favor" low conductors. But they would not do good on wet mineralized salt. |
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You responded to my post " you don't dig gold signals on land" and " it's too hot for that nonsense". Dude... you got to be kidding me. Why are you even doing this ? All these machines out there are quite capable. You even own a few. Bottle caps , pull tabs, , junk . .that's just part of the deal. You gotta dig some trash. I don't care what kind of detector, on land , on sand , on water , on air , whatever. But if you really don't dig gold signals on land...well... that's just bizarre ! Maybe it's time to go see your doctor or your proctologist. I hope you can figure it out and enjoy this hobby.
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I must chime in.…...but not with NOX this or CTX that...…I could add my "try this setting" but realistically nothing will beat thoroughly learning the machine and trying different stuff.
The last 2 years the metal composition of the bottle caps has changed....especially with Corona and Bud caps.... The caps with foil on them are becoming more and more prevalent and sound completely different than the others... Old rusted caps / new caps / caps with foil - things are not like they were therefor will not sound off as expected!!!! |
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rule #1 you want to find gold
all you have to do is put your coil over it.. it takes no skill just luck no one gets all .. it is called timeing some beaches have more high end people than others if you check a beach in a poor area you will find junk jewelry & change why do think all these flordia austrailla beaches have more gold people have $$$$$$$$$$ |
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![]() Originally Posted by rob.ream258 View postI too have noticed just as you that certain brands of bottle caps sound so good. Especially foil covered ones. __________________ |
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I have puzzled over this question for a while - what are these “steel” caps made of. After wasting an hour on the web I have concluded that it is likely that they are “Tin Free Steel” or TFS. This differs from “tin Plate Steel” or TPS by the use of metallic chromium instead of tin in the laminate. TPS is what most cans were made of - TFS is used because of its superior anti corrosion qualities and its suitability for painting or other decorative exterior finishes.
Tin Free Steel Features TFS has excellent lacquer adhesion properties allowing use for food cans, beverage cans and general line cans. Excellent resistance to black sulfide stain makes it the most suitable material for making fish cans. Even when the same surface finish as TIN PLATE is applied to the substrate steel sheet, it provides the unique surface luster characteristic of metallic chromium. http://202.229.24.177/en/products/sh...og/b1e-006.pdf __________________ |
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![]() Originally Posted by KOB View postThat sounded like your were on a Texas gulf beach. That is until the 3 gold ring day, they don't happen here often or at all. Cliff __________________ |
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![]() Originally Posted by WildDigger View postI never said I'm not doing well with the Nox. I have found multiple gold and silver with it. I was griping about the inability for it to identify a rusty steel bottle cap that other minelab machines can handle easily and even an AT Pro can manage. Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View postThe CTX favors silver signals because of the frequency the coil runs hot on and because of the algarighms that make it biased toward silver targets. There is no setting you can change to help that. Same for 800 it is "designed" for lower conductor targets like gold. Put your CTX next to an 800 and do some testing on gold rings of all sizes and you will probably pee yourself a little. I'm open to other machines for beach hunting and glad the CTX is working for you but I have owned a CTX and it wouldn't be my choice for gold hunting. Originally Posted by KOB View postNot bizarre at all. The choice comes from a better understanding of the hobby, how the metal detecting game works, and how to achieve my goals. On land I wanted to find silver coins so I focus on silver coins and find a crapload of them = goal met. If you spend your day wasting time on 200 junk targets at a chance to find one gold ring then you are hunting very inefficiently. If your goal is to dig a million targets and find a variety of occasional good targets then more power to you. It's not my style. I like to focus in on exactly what I want to find and then find it as efficiently as possible. Last 3 hunts on the beach I got 3 gold rings, 2 with diamonds. Guess what the guy found at the same beach who I talked to. A bunch of change and no gold ring. Maybe he had time to dig 30 targets that day and he wasted many of those digs on pennies, dimes, and worthless coins lol. I dug 30 low tone signals thus increasing my changes of what I wanted to find = GOLD =) Originally Posted by rob.ream258 View postI understand what you're saying about the foil covered ones but the 800 likes old rusty straight up steel ones lol. Originally Posted by vegasplayer View postSorry but if you think this hobby takes no skill and only takes luck then you're just wrong. This hobby is extremely skill based. Choosing the right machine is a skill, knowing your machine, knowing signals, knowing ground conditions and environment, knowing what equipment to use for your environment and settings, knowing how to hunt efficiently and how to not waste time, knowing where and when to go for the highest chance of finding what you want. Being skilled increases your luck... |
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![]() Originally Posted by cutaplug View postNow that I can fully agree on... __________________ |
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In summation, know your rig, know your area, have a good scoop, listen to what the trash is telling you, then its a simple matter of digging it all and working the numbers...
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The ctx is just as good if not better then the 800. The problem in my opinion that you have is your a coin hunter. Gold is a totally different animal. You need to dig everything that you normally wouldn’t with coins. Gold is all over the board on any machine. 12/02 all the way up to the high 12/30’s. The thing with gold hunting is never pass on a low or mid tone. And never rely on numbers, that’s the biggest mistake coin hunters use when they decide they want to start water hunting. Go by audio..
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![]() Originally Posted by Mud-puppy View postAT Pro's make Gold rings squirt out of the water. I catch them with a minnow net. ![]() __________________ |
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![]() Originally Posted by cutaplug View postcutaplug, yes, of course, you can't "stop" a CTX from favoring high conductors. But you can edit out the #'s, so you don't hear them. I've done that before, on a beach that was so filled with targets after a storm, that I simply didn't want to dig high conductors. I wanted to up the odds at gold rings, when pickens to choose from are that thick. And as for the 2nd part of your post : I propose that what you are saying would only apply to the very dainty gold. Eg.: things that read down in the foil range . Which would only be a small percentage of the finest dainty lady's rings. In which case, yes, I agree that the Nox has an edge. At making them sound bolder, getting them deeper, etc... And also true when it comes to micro-jewelry, like earring studs. Yes, I'll agree. However I don't agree when it comes to the vast majority of gold rings. Notice in my claim that I'd said "normal" gold rings. All the gold rings that come in around nickel through tabs, I would say that there is no advantage of Nox vs CTX . JMHO. |
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![]() Originally Posted by cutaplug View postadvanced user... remember! scoop is the best discriminator of goals ![]() Good luck! "So many wonders to discover Are yet with the enlightenment spirit, Experience, the son of painful errors, And genius, the paradoxes' friend, And accident, inventive god..." (c) A. Pushkin ![]() __________________ |
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![]() Originally Posted by cutaplug View post+100500 __________________ |
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I think the Equinox is a better wet sand hunter than the CTX. It hits smaller gold better. And when I say smaller gold I'm talking women's rings with stones. Dry sand the CTX because it is just better in the trash. Out in the water I'll take an Excal over either. So there you have it. Buy all three.
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![]() Originally Posted by cutaplug View postI have one problem with your analysis. I have gotten some nice gold rings while digging zinc penny numbers. And 18k, too. Sure most of them are zinc pennies. But, are you sure you want to give up that gold potential by not digging up zinc pennies? __________________ |
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