What does more money get me?

tirediron

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So, from the perspective of a professional photographer, I know that in 95% of cases, an image taken with a $500 consumer-grade DSLR is going to be indistinguishable from one taken with my $5000 DSLR and $2500 lens. The 10-15x price multiplier comes in terms of build-quality, and specialist features, that is the ability to shoot in very low light, shoot at very high frame rates, etc, etc...

When it comes to detectors, if I spend $3000 what do I get over my $300 Garrett 300i? Do I get greater sensitivity, better metal discriminations, a better built machine, really cool pinstripes and a built-in CD-player, or ????

No intention of actually buying a new detector, rather just trying to understand a little more about the hobby.

Thanks!
 
That is a great question. I don't know from $300 to $3000, but I can tell you that it was night and day from a $250 Bounty Hunter to a $900 Nox. It was like going from a Yugo to a Ferrari.
 
Features, setting adjust ability, added depth, performance and build quality. The question is do you need to have the higher end machine if your just out to have fun digging targets no deeper than 4-6" in up to moderately mineralized soil conditions. Probably not.
But some folks are like camera owners who are pixel-peepers.
 
I've used an Ace 250, Whites DFX, V3, and an E-Trac. I also own a Nox but have not had the time to learn it.

The E-Trac blew those other machines out of the water. It wasn't even close. In fact, I did head to head comparisons of the E-Trac and V3, and it was clear the E-Trac was better at deep silver coins, which is my interest.

I don't know much about electronics, but I do know you are paying for the R&D of the high end machine. With the E-Trac specifically, I believe the FBS technology gives you better discrimination at depth, better target separation, and, quite frankly, just goes deeper than the other machines I've named. I really don't think I would have found 1400 silver coins if I stuck with the Ace 250. Not to disparage the machine -- it is an excellent machine for beginners and I made some good finds with it.

I think you are looking at three things a high end machine gives you: depth, TID at depth, and separation. Maybe a 4th would be performance in mineralized or trashy ground, tho that seems to be covered by the preceeding 3 points.
 
To quote others, that is a great question...!! I tend to want to dig EVERYthing, on land or water..We bought a CTX and dont use for what it was intended..so for me it was a waste of money...but great potential !!
 
a very Avid Detectorist: said:
So, from the perspective of a professional detectorist, I know that in 95% of cases, a good find made with an under $400 consumer-grade 'entry-level' model is going to be indistinguishable from one found with an over $800 'top-end' model and additional $125+ accessory search coil. The 2X to 5X price multiplier comes in terms of build-quality, and specialist features, and sometimes a bit of uselessness, that is the ability to tinker around with various adjustment settings that might or might not accomplish all that much....

When it comes to considering detectors, if you spend $900 to $2500 what do you get over a low-cost model, such as a Garrett 300i? Do you get greater sensitivity, better metal discrimination, a better-built machine, really decorative decals????

Folks should-have the intention of actually buying something new, to advance to a better all-purpose detector and coil choice once they understand a little more about the hobby.
There are "entry-level" or "beginner-level" detectors offered from most major brand detector manufacturers. Some of us might consider a few of them to be a pretty decent choice to get started with, and some of the others just fall short of being very appealing, if you really want to get serious about this great sport.

I've been enjoying the 'thrill-of-the-hunt' and have enjoyed a lot of successful good-target recoveries since I got started in March of '65. Most of the detectors I preferred to use from the latter '70s and on to the late '90s found a tremendous amount of desirables, and none of them were what we would consider 'top-end' or 'marvelously-feature' devices by todays standard .... but all of them could perform just as well today as they did back then. matter of fact, in my current working Detector Team I own and use four that date back to an introduction in '94 or '97.

Through the years I have invested in and used some of those top-dollar devices, such as owning at least 3 of the Minelab BBS units, 7 or 8 of the FBS models, and recently their Equinox 800 Multi-IQ. I've also had 3 of the White's Spectra-series models, and Fisher F75 or Teknetics T2 Ltd. SE when they were retailing for $1000 or more. None of these are in my current group of detectors.

Instead, my very proven performers are suited for specialty tasks to take on extremely dense iron contamination, or to be very competitive and useful for day-to-day Coin & Jewelry Hunting. I can take on plowed fields, pasture or rangeland, hunt in some dense wooded areas, or confront a freshwater or saltwater beach. Most are a Single-Frequency device, but a couple of them are Simultaneous Multi-Frequency, SMF, and for all of them I have selected my favorite search coil(s) to work well in various places I take them.

I do NOT own a current top-dollar detector. All of these retail brand new from a lower price of $299 for the Nokta / Makro Simplex + to mid-price MSRP such as the Garrett Apex, Minelab Vanquish 540 or Nokta / Makro Racer 2. My other detectors to round-out my 'team' are either discontinued models, like the Nokta FORS CoRe or FORS Relic, or they are from defunct companies, such as my Tesoro Bandido II microMAX and Silver Sabre microMAX devices or White's XLT and MX-7.

Today, we have a lot of really good detectors, currently produced of made in just the past half-dozen years, or some really good 'used' models that provide us with excellent in-the-field performance. It's no problem to get very good build quality, decent balance, feel and handling complements by very good in-the-field performance, and stay within a $300 to $900 budget for one of the better mid-priced to higher-priced detectors.

Monte.
 
Imo opinion if your just going out as a weekend warrior having fun then a vanquish or simplex would fit the bill.. If your retired and getting out more often on land,then anything in the $500 to $800 range is better performance and options. Lots to choose from in that range,it's all gonna come down to personal preference.No machine has it all, some have better ID,some better balanced,some built better,some waterproof etc. Performance wise tho they're all close so choose wisely cause your the one swinging it,not the ones giving suggestions on they're favorite
 
I agree with woodbutcher. It all depends on what you plan to do with your MD and how serious you want to be with it. If you're just in it for fun and are going to hit parks and fields once or twice a week, a Vanquish, or Simplex will be more than enough for you. But if you intend to include beaches, old sites for relics, you're going to need a machine that can handle the conditions that each presents. Something that has multi-frequencies, possibly filters for salt and black sand and other soil conditions ups the price considerably. Whatever you decide, happy hunting!
 
My entry level machine was a beep and dig machine just like a point and shoot camera. A more expensive machine gives you more features to "play with." The fun of playing around with my detector last longer on my more expensive machine. The more expensive machine definitely makes junk more recognizable and so I can choose to did less junk if I want to.
 
This question comes up a lot it seems. I think now more than ever the whole price range thing from highest price best detector to lowest priced worse detector is really blurred. There are so many decent detectors right now from the lowest price 200-300 dollars to the middle 700-900 dollar that it can be very confusing. There are very few upper end priced detectors but lots from the middle on down to the lower priced units.

In my opinion you get the most bang for the buck in the 700-900 range. In the 1000-2500ish dollar range you see diminishing returns on dollar spent with performance gains not being significantly better per dollar spent than the detectors in the middle price range. This is just my opinion though.
 
This question comes up a lot it seems. I think now more than ever the whole price range thing from highest price best detector to lowest priced worse detector is really blurred. There are so many decent detectors right now from the lowest price 200-300 dollars to the middle 700-900 dollar that it can be very confusing. There are very few upper end priced detectors but lots from the middle on down to the lower priced units.

In my opinion you get the most bang for the buck in the 700-900 range. In the 1000-2500ish dollar range you see diminishing returns on dollar spent with performance gains not being significantly better per dollar spent than the detectors in the middle price range. This is just my opinion though.

I couldn't agree more with this
 
woodbutcher: said:
Imo opinion if your just going out as a weekend warrior having fun then a vanquish or simplex would fit the bill.
I agree, and have been 'having fun' for over half-a-century. In my detector outfit is a Vanquish 540 Pro Pack version but I keep the 5X8 DD mounted for routine searches. I also have two of the Simplex + devices. One w/11" DD for open areas, and the other with a 5X9½ DD for regular daily use. Both are part of my Daily-Use Team.


woodbutcher: said:
If your retired and getting out more often on land,then anything in the $500 to $800 range is better performance and options. Lots to choose from in that range,
I've been 'officially' retired for a little over 10 years, and nothing in my current detector outfit sells for $800 or more. Also in my vehicle for daily-Use is a more featured Garrett Apex, Makro Racer 2 and a non-display Tesoro model.


woodbutcher: said:
It's all gonna come down to personal preference.No machine has it all, some have better ID,some better balanced,some built better,some waterproof etc. Performance wise tho they're all close so choose wisely cause your the one swinging it,not the ones giving suggestions on they're favorite
Correct. So many models offered today are very close in features and performance. There are many to like, and those are the ones that work for me and I keep around.


CalReg: said:
I agree with woodbutcher. It all depends on what you plan to do with your MD and how serious you want to be with it.
True, and it is important for an individual to figure out just what their uses might be before shopping.


CalReg: said:
If you're just in it for fun and are going to hit parks and fields once or twice a week, a Vanquish, or Simplex will be more than enough for you.
Yep, and I own and use both ... regularly.


CalReg: said:
But if you intend to include beaches, old sites for relics, you're going to need a machine that can handle the conditions that each presents.
Kind of correct, and I do have some 'Special-Use models in my outfit as well. But I use my Simplex + and Vanquish and Apex and Racer 2 in most settings I encounter.


CalReg: said:
Something that has multi-frequencies, possibly filters for salt and black sand and other soil conditions ups the price considerably. Whatever you decide, happy hunting!
I do have two of the SMF models in my Daily-Use Team, but I also know they aren't 'perfect' for every application. I just pick-and-use whichever model and coil seems to handle the conditions well.


Bank Fisher: said:
My entry level machine was a beep and dig machine just like a point and shoot camera. A more expensive machine gives you more features to "play with." The fun of playing around with my detector last longer on my more expensive machine. The more expensive machine definitely makes junk more recognizable and so I can choose to did less junk if I want to.
I own and use "turn-on-and-go" models w/o visual TID, some simple TID units, and some with more features to tinker with. Most are Single Frequency devices, but three I own are SMF designs, and two of those three also provide Single-Frequency selection, if desired.


longbow62: said:
This question comes up a lot it seems. I think now more than ever the whole price range thing from highest price best detector to lowest priced worse detector is really blurred. There are so many decent detectors right now from the lowest price 200-300 dollars to the middle 700-900 dollar that it can be very confusing. There are very few upper end priced detectors but lots from the middle on down to the lower priced units.
A really nice selection these days in the "mid-range" from $300 to $800, if you want to go that high. Just don't confuse 'beginner-level' with a quality model at that lower end.


longbow62: said:
In my opinion you get the most bang for the buck in the 700-900 range. In the 1000-2500ish dollar range you see diminishing returns on dollar spent with performance gains not being significantly better per dollar spent than the detectors in the middle price range. This is just my opinion though.
Quite true, and I can't think of any detector out there that sells for over $900 that interests me in the least. I've had too many in the past and prefer what I'm using today.

Monte
 
The main reason not to buy an Etrac or CTX the two most expensive hobby detectors made is not because they aren't worth it. Both are still considered by a great many people to be the two best yard and park detectors for silver coins out there.

The reason I would not buy one is because they are so old. They are 12 and 8 years since release respectively. In my opinion both are clunky from a design standpoint. Both should be dropped in favor of a single newly designed unit. A more streamlined, ergonomic, and lighter detector with upgraded electronics and all the bells and whistles. I think it would sell well if it would come in right at or under $2000. I am more and more coming to believe based on the Equinox line that detectors approaching a $3000 price tag are a thing of the past.
 
The main reason not to buy an Etrac or CTX the two most expensive hobby detectors made is not because they aren't worth it. Both are still considered by a great many people to be the two best yard and park detectors for silver coins out there.

The reason I would not buy one is because they are so old. They are 12 and 8 years since release respectively. In my opinion both are clunky from a design standpoint. Both should be dropped in favor of a single newly designed unit. A more streamlined, ergonomic, and lighter detector with upgraded electronics and all the bells and whistles. I think it would sell well if it would come in right at or under $2000. I am more and more coming to believe based on the Equinox line that detectors approaching a $3000 price tag are a thing of the past.

I disagree,and a lot of others do too. Equinox is a great relic machine,dig it all pretty much. Just had the 800 out last week before I sold it, dug a 6 inch zinc penny that rang in a solid 30 from every direction. The discrimination and visual ID on the equinox are far from par of the fbs units.And as far as bulk of the explorer / Etrac,,they were made not only to be the best coin machines,but last. Can’t say the equinox was made to last with all the coil ear breaks and other woes I’ve read. But hey,to each they’re own but for all the reasons you listed not to buy a Etrac is all the reasons I would over a equinox
 
I think you answered your own question Tirediron. You've spent $500 and $7500 on a camera and know what each can and cannot do. You must have done alot of research making your decision. So the choice should be fairly obvious if you intend on being a serious hunter. Spend the money. Go mid to higher range and you won't be disappointed. But more importantly is to get out and hunt. You don't want to take an engineer's standpoint. Paralysis by analysis.....
 
Unless and until they come out with something better, I'll take my "old" "clunky" Etrac over ANYTHING on the market today.
 
Thanks all! Appreciate the input. Good info

I think you answered your own question Tirediron. You've spent $500 and $7500 on a camera and know what each can and cannot do. You must have done alot of research making your decision. So the choice should be fairly obvious if you intend on being a serious hunter. Spend the money. Go mid to higher range and you won't be disappointed. But more importantly is to get out and hunt. You don't want to take an engineer's standpoint. Paralysis by analysis.....
When it comes to photography, I have 40 years of experience under my belt. When it comes to detectors, slightly under two weeks, so queries like this are part of my research. One can read all the "Top Ten" and "Best for..." articles on the 'net one wants, but I much prefer getting information from people who are actually buying and using gear.
 
Thanks all! Appreciate the input. Good info


When it comes to photography, I have 40 years of experience under my belt. When it comes to detectors, slightly under two weeks, so queries like this are part of my research. One can read all the "Top Ten" and "Best for..." articles on the 'net one wants, but I much prefer getting information from people who are actually buying and using gear.
You came to the right place! :yes: Welcome, and good luck with your decision!
 
More money? Nothing in my opinion. There are a few detectors in the mid hundreds range that will hold their own against any hobby detector.

For example the Equinox in my opinion will detect targets that the CTX and E Trac will not. Sure they will identify better, but then you do need to hear the targets to begin with.

Never tried the Simplex, Apex , or the Vanquish, but I have read good things
 
goodmore: said:
More money? Nothing in my opinion. There are a few detectors in the mid hundreds range that will hold their own against any hobby detector.

For example the Equinox in my opinion will detect targets that the CTX and E Trac will not. Sure they will identify better, but then you do need to hear the targets to begin with.

Never tried the Simplex, Apex , or the Vanquish, but I have read good things.
You are very correct regarding there being a lot of very good detectors available in the so-called 'mid-hundreds' range. Most are fitting for typical Coin Hunting tasks, and some might also be good for Beach Hunting, or for taking on some iron debris challenged Relic Hunting sites Some waterproof and most land-based.

The Equinox 'series', as you noted is one of them. I had the EQ-800 and it was okay, but I currently am well served with the likes of 2 Simplex +, 2 Apex, a Vanquish 540, a Racer 2 and about a half-dozen proven discontinued models. Most of the time I am grabbing and working with any of the Apex, Vanquish, Racer 2 or Simplex + devices .... and very satisfied with the comfort, quality, and in-the-field performance.

Monte
 
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