Thanks all. When I got the Patriot about a month ago, the sensitivity was a bit intimidating so I cranked it back quite a bit. But soon you realize all that "chatty" is actually something down there. The Patriot/F70 is very sensitive and very fast. And when you hear it all the good stuff can't hide. Both of these silvers were right next to big junk. But there was no mistaking them. And this thing pinpoints a higher conductor in big iron better than my old Compass X-80. I was running 4 Disc, 75 Sensitivity, -2 Threshold, SL Speed, and 4 Tones. Not trying to sound like a commercial but I really like this machine.