5-0 rolled up on us

Rickdes

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Yup. A deputy sheriff of genesee county Michigan rolled up on my son and I. He was on a golf cart so it was kinda hard for him to act tough. Lol. He told me to stop detecting. It seems to detect in genesee county parks one must possess a permit. Their office is the opposite side of the county and I must pay $10. Not much really. I’ll spend more in gas going there and coming home. It’s just a pain in the arse. Is this common for counties to do this?
 
You’d think with all the murder,rape,drug problems and drunk drivers they’d have something more “society minded” to do. Apparently not.
 
I have read of at least one other state that require permits for certain areas, I'm sure there likely are more.

Just did a search and found this link:

http://geneseecountyparks.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Park-Rules-Revised-2019.pdf

Below is a quote from the above link:

Chapter 1 Permits and Hours Section P910101-Permits Failure to obtain and/or follow the terms of a permit is a violation of Park Rules.
(a) Permits are required for certain activities upon Commission properties, included but not limited to events, hunting, fishing, harvesting, drones and metal detecting.
 
Do people need a permit to let their dogs c-ap all over the park grounds? Detecting permits are just another way of squeezing more money out of law abiding people.
 
Yes, permits are common. Gotta have one if you want to hunt in Boise parks. Weird thing is they also require drivers to be licensed if they want to drive in the state of Idaho. Is this common? Just sucking more money out of hard working citizens. I think that I'll join the Sovereign Citizen Movement. "No officer, I'm not metal detecting, I'm just traveling across the park with this apparatus that warns me about metal that might impede my constitutional right to travel in parks."
 
Yes, permits are common. ...

I would disagree. When it comes to city and county level parks/lands, it very rare that any have ever dreamed up such a thing.

For example : If you were to study all the cities across the entire USA, and were to study their muni codes, park rules, etc.... (for wherever it exists in print) : You would find very very few that ever dreamed up any such "permit". Same for county park's systems across the USA: very very few.

Using CA as an example: I can think of perhaps 3 cities or counties, in all of CA that have any such "permit" for md'ing (and even harder yet for any individual cop or ranger in those cities to even know that such a thing exists).

The same goes for specific rules saying "no md'ing": Again: very rare.

Instead, if there's any scrams or hassles, it will always rest on the case of ancillary verbiage like "alter", "deface", "remove", "harvest", etc....
 
City of Charleston SC code.

(m)

Treasure hunting. Metal detecting and/or digging in public parks, public rights-of-way, and playgrounds is prohibited.
 
The root word for permit is permission. The government generally views the citizens as "legal juveniles" who need na-na's permission.
Stopped asking for permission when I left mom and dads to join the military.
That aside, the reality is governments everywhere are looking for other peoples money more and more as they go left and more socialist/nanny stateb which generally leads to a race to the bottom economically.
NJ charges a tax on a home sale if you are leaving the state. Oregon taxes the RAIN that falls on YOUR land.
Like Orwell said about the pigs, some amimals consider tjemselves more equal tham others.
Practically, you are right. Fee is piddly chsnge. I would just pay it.....in pennies.
 
Winnebago county in northern Illinois has 43 forest preserves and requires a permit to detect in them. Its $20.00 county resident & $30.00 non-resident. I get a permit usually in January and have been checked numerous times by conservation police. It seems that people in the preserves like to call & report my nefarious activities. Some of the places are prohibited as they contain unexploded ordinance from WW2 and golf courses are off limits.
 
Do people need a permit to let their dogs c-ap all over the park grounds? Detecting permits are just another way of squeezing more money out of law abiding people.

Many communities do actually...they require dog licenses.


On the plus side of licensing (and it's a stretch to call it a "plus"), it's not banned, and will discourage some people from detecting, which means less competition, which in turn means more finds for those who get the permit.
 
Glad I live where I do,no permits needed,no cops checking on you and no hassling of any kind at our parks and public places.
 
City of Charleston SC code.....


Bucks County PA parks require a permit ...

george-SC and Waltr : Again: If you were to study a sampling of 100 cities & counties in your respective states, scouring their entire muni-codes, park rules, etc.... You would find very few that have such specifics. Very few ever mention md'ing specifically by name as prohibited, or needing "permits".

Sure: There's always examples of a few that dreamed up such a thing. And I have a sneaking suspicion of how those lone examples came-to-be on the books. Care to take a guess ? And no, it wasn't "md'rs leaving holes".
 
I would rather have a permit than a ban.

Or best yet : No "permits" NOR "bans". And rather be: Silent on the subject. Not addressed either way. Then if it's not forbidden, then presto: It's not disallowed.
 
I would rather have a permit than a ban.

I think anybody living in an area where the parks are off limits would agree.

But, don't make it just a money grab. Create a permit process where the application needs signed off by a local metal detecting club. The applicant would demonstrate basic knowledge of metal detecting, including target discrimination and retrieval. Pass a short quiz and skills test, basically. If there are any local rules such as time of day, or particular off-limit parks or park areas like ball fields, then throw that info in, too. They need to sign something about what to do in the unlikely event they stumble across native artifacts.

The applicant leaves the metal detecting club with a FAQ sheet and approved application. The parks department take the application, a fee, and issues a permit.

Lots of other things could be done other than a heavy handed total ban. They might consider only issuing X number of permits per year, maybe limit hunting to certain hours, maybe only issue to residents, maybe rotate through the parks, maybe limit hole depth and diameter. Get busted not covering holes, digging huge holes, digging in off limit areas, and get the permit revoked for a year. Busted again and no more permits.
 
I think anybody living in an area where the parks are off limits would agree.....

But ONLY as this last resort. Ie.: ONLY if there were a true ban, is there ever a reason to propose "permits" to any bureaucracy.

I have actually heard of persons who had this flowery image of "permits" (as some sort of carte-blanche) in their minds, who went to their city or county parks people recommending a "permit" system. At places where there wasn't a true or specific "no md'ing" ban in the first place. Perhaps because the md'rs had received a stink-eye, or just wanted to "feel safe", etc.... So they approach the powers-that-be suggesting a "permit" .

Well then guess what happens ? Those persons tasked with looking into this, get an image of "geeks with shovels" and say "no". Or worse yet: Make a rule forbidding md'ing.

Hence this rosey notion of "permits" should be the the last resort, for ONLY if there were a true & specific ban in place already. And to be honest with you : I think the average pencil jockey and/or city council would rather NOT be bothered with notions of "permits". Just one more thing for them to have to implement and manage. And the only thing that waving this giant banner in front of them for consideration will do, is simply put us front and center, swatting hornet's nests.

Thus the LESS people think of us, the better.
 
.....I have a sneaking suspicion of how those lone examples came-to-be on the books. Care to take a guess ? And no, it wasn't "md'rs leaving holes".

We can't ever really know. I know you want to believe those rules popped up on the books because well meaning detectorists called city hall and asked permission, but I think there are a few other obvious explanations.

First, there really are idiots who detect and dig messy holes and leave trash behind. It takes ONE occurrence to get a ban.

Second, there are park systems with huge budgets and highly landscaped areas, including underground sprinkler systems. Even if that only represents 5% of their total land, the people running the parks don't want to bother figuring out how to tell people when and where detecting is OK. As far as they're concerned, it's easy to create a total ban.
 
That aside, the reality is governments everywhere are looking for other peoples money more and more as they go left and more socialist/nanny state which generally leads to a race to the bottom economically.

Please. I am asking nicely. I come here to avoid the political fighting. Can we please not insult or demean those who do not agree with us?
Many thanks. I'm here for metal detecting, and nothing else. :)
Sage(Non-Denominational)Grouse
 
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