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Old 06-18-2019, 10:30 AM
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Why is it so hard for some people to admit that they're being disingenuous and ridiculous? Honestly, if you can’t understand why the owner of a soccer field may not want you digging plugs on their soccer field during soccer season…or on their baseball field during baseball season…or on their football field during football season…or on their croquette field during croquette season…or on their grass/clay tennis courts during...well…ever, actually...then I guess it’s no small wonder why detectorists are often detested.

Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View post
But does this assume, therefore, that a field needs-to-be designated for a particular use , in order to use it ? And if *not* "designated" for a particular use, then .... a person should acquire permission ? If so, I have an issue with this line of logic. Because :

d) Aaahhh, now the truth comes out. It is clear that your premise is that md'ing is harmful and damaging. If so, then Yes: Everything you're saying does logically follow.
You take what is, to most people, a simple statement about a soccer field being designed for soccer, and turn it into a ridiculous assumption about a field being designed for a particular use, with permission being needed in order to use it for some other purpose solely so you can espouse nonsense about a lack of md’ing fields, or needing permission to fly a kite...so you can then continue down the road of stating that therefore my premise must be that md’ing is harmful and damaging. Here’s an idea…just ask me if I think md’ing is harmful and damaging. We could save each other a lot of time, wasted words, and needless explanations.

Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View post
But I disagree with this premise. I can retrieve coins (yes, even deep ones) and do less damage than cleats. Assuming I'm not digging in dry earth (such that roots don't take re-hold, in brittle crumbly dry soil). As long as I go @ the moist season (or a normal watered/irrigated lawn), then: I am able to leave practically no trace.

I have returned, a few days later, to locations where I've gone turf hunting. And studied to see if I can find my prior spots. And .... unless it were pointed out to someone, I can honestly say you would not be able to see the spots.
It’s great that you can return to an area a few days later and not see any damage from the plugs you removed and perfectly replaced. But that’s not the same as running around on that field while wearing cleats and encountering one of your “invisible, perfectly replaced” plugs. Your inability to see it does not mean it’s not there. It is. And it could potentially be dangerous to someone playing soccer on the field. Is the risk high enough to warrant not allowing md’rs on the field during the soccer season? My guess, in the litigious society in which we currently live, is “yes”. I know that if I broke my ankle because maybe I planted my foot “firmly” in an attempt to make a turn…right on one of your “invisible, perfectly replaced” plugs which then, much to my horror, came loose and caused me permanent ankle damage…I’d be pretty pissed off that someone was allowed to do such a thing on a soccer field.
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill_Ace_350 View post
Is a kid wearing baseball cleats allowed to walk across a soccerfield if he doesnt play on the Soccer team?
No.

See, I can be just as silly as you.
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Old 06-18-2019, 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by FliesOnly View post
.... Here’s an idea…just ask me if I think md’ing is harmful and damaging. ...
Yes. I could do that. But ... given the context and implications of your prior posts, I felt it was pretty much already spelled out. And here it is again:

Originally Posted by FliesOnly View post
.... And it could potentially be dangerous to someone playing soccer on the field ...

Which shows that ... yes... you do consider md'ing to ... of necessity ... leave dangerous mayhem hither and yonder.

Given this implicit definition, if you are right, then SURE : You're right. All of us should ask permission any and everywhere we go. And don't just ask "hi, can I metal detect ?" (since that would be mincing words). Instead ask : "Hi, can I leave dangerous holes ?"

But again: I disagree with this starting "given" premise.

For me, and most of us here, there would be no visible indications left. Nor anything that could give someone a twisted ankle, etc... If some other md'rs can't accomplish that, then sure, you're right : They need to ask permission first.
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