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Old 05-14-2018, 06:48 PM
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Default Roscrea Blues Buckle, is this 1780's?

is this 1780's? A lady that gave me permission to Hunt her 1845 home showed me this and wondered what kind of buckle this was? Her late husband found it at their house.

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Old 05-14-2018, 07:24 PM
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Roscrea Blues were Irish Volunteer Corp formed in the late 1770's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...olunteer_corps

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Oh!!

That's so cool!

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I hope it’s real! They call ‘em a “cross belt plate” from what I see online.
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Looks authentic to me!

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Irish...the Lyre gave that away I think. (Harp for the rest of the world)
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Originally Posted by Longhair View post
Roscrea Blues were Irish Volunteer Corp formed in the late 1770's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...olunteer_corps
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I hope it’s real! They call ‘em a “cross belt plate” from what I see online.
Thank you! She will be very happy to know the ID and history of this piece.
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Oh!!

That's so cool!
It is cool. Way cooler now that I know what it is too! At first gLance I thought it was just some blues band belt buckle! LOL. I'm kinda dimwitted sometime
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Now THAT is a killer find, her husband did well in finding that beauty!

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Old 05-16-2018, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Longhair View post
Roscrea Blues were Irish Volunteer Corp formed in the late 1770's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...olunteer_corps
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Oh!!

That's so cool!
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I hope it’s real! They call ‘em a “cross belt plate” from what I see online.
Originally Posted by Longhair View post
Looks authentic to me!
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Irish...the Lyre gave that away I think. (Harp for the rest of the world)
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Now THAT is a killer find, her husband did well in finding that beauty!
Thank you guys! I also emailed someone in ireland and got a nice reply !



I would first like to congratulate you on finding this item, and as a fellow metal detectorist it is an item I would love to find. The belt plate dates between 1780 and 1810 and was issued to the Roscrea Blues. They where a Militia or Volunteer unit from Roscrea in the middle of Ireland, but they would have been stationed far afield. This plate looks to be other ranks, although it could have been a Gilt officers version which has lost its gilt. Value here in Ireland is approx. £500 Sterling which is approx. $675 Us. Dollars.
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Now you need to do the research to figure out why it was found in an area that wasn't even settled until the mid 1830's.

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Now you need to do the research to figure out why it was found in an area that wasn't even settled until the mid 1830's.
From what I've read, the french were in this area as early as 1634, but I guess it wasn't settled until about 1780.. My imagination runs wild with this now...My best guess right now is the possibility of the fact that it was worn by someone during the battle of 1812, as this homestead is in the direct vicinity of General Hulls trace route. And I found an 1807 half cent about .25 miles from here... And to top it off, it looks like maybe the initials on it are J and R... maybe in the muster roll , I have found a J Ruland that is in the roster in this area. Ruland is an Irish name too I think... Crazy MYSTERY !
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You must be down near Monroe. The battle of Erie was the closest the war of 1812 got to here.

FWIW, I found a USI 6th Reg. officer's coat button from the war of 1812 in a field across the street from my house.

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You must be down near Monroe. The battle of Erie was the closest the war of 1812 got to here.

FWIW, I found a USI 6th Reg. officer's coat button from the war of 1812 in a field across the street from my house.
Yep, born raised., and still here.... nice find on the 6th regiment button!
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Yep, born raised., and still here....
I'll be down by your neighborhood (South Rockwood) tomorrow for work. I always wanted to hunt that area, but never have the time.

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You also assume that someone from that regiment wore it there. Could have been an Indian 'prize' too.
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You also assume that someone from that regiment wore it there. Could have been an Indian 'prize' too.
Could be, could be any scenario... just like the choose your own adventure books i used to read as a kid.. it might even just be an Irish immigrants keepsake from a family member.... it's a mystery, and my imagination envisions many scenarios.
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That is an amazing piece of history tight there.
Did you actually find it in the yard?

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That is an amazing piece of history tight there.
Did you actually find it in the yard?
I didn't, but the owners late husband DID, he found it in their yard...
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