Myers Depot Metal Detectors

What is the best for old coins?

ghound said:
This is only half true and half a myth!

On high conductor coins that have been undisturbed for a long time, id say yes there deep, but not the deepest, but they will give good ID at depth on solo targets.
On ploughed fields, disturbed ground, not anywhere near the deepest.

watch this vid of some top end machines and different size coils on a small silver at 7"-8" deep.

https://youtu.be/p3qeL7iL-tg
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Sorry, ghound. You are correct in what you say. I am so biased to U.S. hunting that when people ask about "old coins," I am automatically thinking about U.S. coinage. I forget how many European hunters read these forums. I will correct my statement to say -- I know of no unit that consistently IDs deep U.S. coins in undisturbed ground better than FBS.

Other scenarios? Smaller coins? Plowed fields? Yes, different animals there and you are right that other machines have an advantage in many cases.

I was speaking specifically for old, deep, U.S. coins that are not in highly trashed-out parks and such...

Steve
 
I wonder how many do know what trimes, half dimes, fatty Indians, reales half, cobs etc ring in at? You would be suprised at how low some of that silver rings. No matter what machine you buy you need to run the coil over some of those coins to see how it reads on them. I think a lot get honed in on merc silver numbers and barbers etc and miss some of the older stuff.
ghound said:
Good thing is, you know what your old coins ring in as, in the UK we have hundreds of different types of old coins, so our needs are different.
Personally i'd go with the unit that ID's at depth best in around trash, but then everyone else will have thought the same, probably fbs units, so i'd then have to think out of the box and get something that can follow behind and pickup what fbs missed, plenty of choice !
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my deus wont id as deep as the ctx but on silver its as deep or deeper in my soil on silver coins, ID with fbs true but depth it doesn't beat all machines even though the ctx, etrac are very deep machines.
ghound said:
This is only half true and half a myth!

On high conductor coins that have been undisturbed for a long time, id say yes there deep, but not the deepest, but they will give good ID at depth on solo targets.
On ploughed fields, disturbed ground, not anywhere near the deepest.

watch this vid of some top end machines and different size coils on a small silver at 7"-8" deep.

https://youtu.be/p3qeL7iL-tg
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As long as your digging indian head type signals(anything just above a pull tab) your not going to miss any silver coins in the US including trimes and quarter cut Pistareens. With the Deus, even deep fatty Indians and nickels will give a high tone.
 
I'll 3rd, 4th, or 5th (so far) the notion of an FBS unit on those deep coins. I'm swinging the first FBS unit I've ever had in areas I've been told are hunted out and finding left behind silver coins/ Indian cents.

You do have to go slow and more trash you'd like a smaller coil but I'm having a blast with this.

Besides, it's great when a local asks "if you've found anything" bc they've detected the site for years and they're taken back when you tell them what you've found.

"Hunted out?" Yeah, I take that as a challenge!
 
calabash digger said:
my deus wont id as deep as the ctx but on silver its as deep or deeper in my soil on silver coins
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calabash --

What you said right there is 100% true in my experience -- and it's why the majority of folks I know say that FBS are the "best at finding deep old coins."

Yes, ABSOLUTELY, there are machines that can give a "tone" or a "beep" on a deep coin -- Deus, and many others -- even a few inches deeper than FBS can. BUT...as you said, I have yet to find a machine that will consistently give good ID deeper than FBS will. To me, this is KEY. While the Deus has a clear advantage in digging coins out of trash/iron, everyone I know that runs one says exactly what you did -- on a deep, isolated coin, they will not ID accurately as deep as FBS will.

And for me, if deep coin hunting, a machine that IDs an 8" deep dime as "iron" doesn't do me much good, in a site like a public park or school yard or whatever where trash abounds. I need something that will give me some semblance of reliable "dig me" information.

THAT is why I say FBS is the answer to the OPs question (IF he is hunting DEEP coins, not shallower coins hidden amongst trash)...

Steve
 
true true , I was really wondering about the OLD coins statement. trimes , pistareen , fatties etc. How good does a fbs machine come into to play on those type coins? I understand you coin shooters dilemma digging in parks etc and needing a good ID but how does that come into play when you start getting down to reales ,pistarreens, etc? One more thing about fbs machines I know their IDS are good BUT I think some trust them a little to much imo.. but if you have to be selective I understand the reasoning behind it. I'm glad I'm a relic hunter lol!
 
FBS units will hit and ID most odd older coins just fine.. Just like with any other machine, you have to learn where they fall and adjust your pattern (or disc) accordingly.

On really small low conductors like $1 gold coins, higher single frequency machines like the Deus will have an advantage.
 
You got to take into account what freq the fbs chooses to run on your ground, they say it's 28 freq but i think thats been shown before not to be the case, something about harmonics?

So if i arrive on my permission and my etrac says the ground suits using say 1.5khz, or a selection of freqs in the 1.5khz to 5khz range, i ain't going to be finding any low conductor fine gold or thin silver coins, you'll have no bother hitting big silver coins with ID though.


With other units, you use your experience to choose the freq to best match the soil type and targets.
 
When I had the Minelab Safari, I thought the frequency selection wasn't about choosing all low, all medium or all high, but scrolling through maybe 11(?) sets of frequencies, each with 1 low freq., 1 middle freq., and 1 high freq., to pick the trio that had the least electrical interference. If I'm wrong, why did the Safari tones go low-med-hi repeated abt
9-11 times? Would this permit hearing low, medium, and high conductors equally?
 
It's been years since i ran my etrac, but i do remember that some noise cancel channels worked better in my soil on certain targets.
When i done a noise cancel the Etrac often selected a channel that from testing i knew wasn't going to be best for my soil/target choice, maybe best for emi though, and even then, move 50ft across the field and perform another noise cancel, and it may select a different channel again.
No matter what channel i selected, i had no idea of the operating freq. Personally i think the Etrac is good on depth and target ID for milled coins, i wouldn't say it's as specialised as some other units i've used at targeting small old silver over 300yr old.

If the Equinox lets you choose the frequencies you prefer to run in multi freq it will be a much better option for myself at least over the Etrac.


George (MN) said:
When I had the Minelab Safari, I thought the frequency selection wasn't about choosing all low, all medium or all high, but scrolling through maybe 11(?) sets of frequencies, each with 1 low freq., 1 middle freq., and 1 high freq., to pick the trio that had the least electrical interference. If I'm wrong, why did the Safari tones go low-med-hi repeated abt
9-11 times? Would this permit hearing low, medium, and high conductors equally?
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Yes FBS multi frequency is part of it, but it's also Minelab's filtering,software algorithm's and FE/CO numbers that make them so good at I.D. Nothing better as far as I know.
 
steveg said:
Minelab FBS/FBS2...

Hands down, IMO for deep old coins. For other things, there are lots of machines that will do a great job. But to specifically target deep, old coins?

Minelab FBS/FBS2...

Steve
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Perfect answer! Nothing better than a E-Trac or CTX 3030 for deep silver. They spoil you so you wont listen for anything else. Sad but true.
 
Big Boys Hobbies said:
Perfect answer! Nothing better than a E-Trac or CTX 3030 for deep silver. They spoil you so you wont listen for anything else. Sad but true.
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"They spoil you so you won't listen for anything else"....that's THE most true thing I've read in quite some time. For those who haven't used the FBS/2 it's the 8th wonder of the world as far as I'm concerned. And I don't even know what the first 7 are...
 
George (MN) said:
When I had the Minelab Safari, I thought the frequency selection wasn't about choosing all low, all medium or all high, but scrolling through maybe 11(?) sets of frequencies, each with 1 low freq., 1 middle freq., and 1 high freq., to pick the trio that had the least electrical interference. If I'm wrong, why did the Safari tones go low-med-hi repeated abt
9-11 times? Would this permit hearing low, medium, and high conductors equally?
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George,can you reword what you're saying so it's more descriptive? I don't know what you mean going low med and high "abt" 9-11 times?

Thanks!
 
IDXMonster said:
George,can you reword what you're saying so it's more descriptive? I don't know what you mean going low med and high "abt" 9-11 times?

Thanks!
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He means the tones you hear when you run noise cancel on an Explorer, you get three tones in a row at three pitches -- low-med-high ... then a pause, and the same thing again; I think it happens 11 times, one for each noise cancel channel. Except -- I think the machine actually uses only two frequencies, not three like he suggested. Each noise cancel channel, as I understand it, uses these two frequencies, but offsets them slightly depending upon which noise cancel channel you are running.

So, say the two frequencies used are 3 and 25 (not sure exactly what they are, in reality). Then if channel 1 is 3 kHz and 25 kHz, channel 2 might be 3.10 kHz and 25.10 kHz, channel 3 might be 3.20 kHz and 25.20 kHz, etc.

Steve
 
woodbutcher said:
Are you sure the old coins are deep,or maybe your not getting your coil over them,could be none where your at period.I find a lot of old coins no matter where I go,but I’m going places where it’s not picked apart also.I have a Etrac,and most of the coins I find I’m sure a at pro would also,or any midpriced machine at that.And. One of the old coins I find are rarely past 5 inches,I found a 1898 barber dime the other day at about 4 inches,in a yard.
Location is really the main factor,and as much as I agree some machines do things better than others,none will find what’s not there.
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Great post...

Funny, both my oldest coins 1812 half penny and 1827 LC were at three or four inches somehow....:?:

Location is king!

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Ice Scratcher said:
Great post...

Funny, both my oldest coins 1812 half penny and 1827 LC were at three or four inches somehow....:?:

Location is king!

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People are always are asking for more depth to reach the "really" old stuff as that would go with logic.

Its not always the depth that if what makes the good finds its how skilled the person behind the detector. A good machine just helps shorten the curve with the lack of skill/experience a person may have.

Personally I have to use any advantage I can get to compete with the really good guys! ha ha
 
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