pryan67
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Do you follow up with an organization (church, scout camps, etc) if you don't get a response to your original request for permission to hunt their property?
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Do you follow up with an organization (church, scout camps, etc) if you don't get a response to your original request for permission to hunt their property?
When you say "get no response", then this tells me you probably cold called them and left a voice-mail on their recorder. Right ? Or found an email address and emailed them. Or snail-mailed them a letter. Or FB'd them, etc... Right ?
If so, then that was your first mistake. Because, think of it: What do YOU do when you get a solicitation (or what appears to be anyhow), from a total stranger ? You hit the delete button, right ? Or what do you do when you answer the phone, and it's a sales call ? You hang up, right ?
And not door knocking . Because, after all, what do YOU do with door-to-door solicitors ? You pretend your not home, or you say "no thank you" as you're closing the door on them. Hence cold calls and cold emails and cold letters are not the way to do it. You're much better off in person.
Catch them "out and about". Like "on their front porch" so-to-speak. Big smile.
Regarding gaining a solid 'yes' Permission.... We fall under the "If a tree falls in the Forest" well known and oft debated paradigm....as is applies to us......If nobody sees or hears you, were you even there to begin with? NO!
Dont overthink this! Dont go looking for 'No's or you will certainly find them! Its a big Planet, coils are small, Time is short, its all about Timing!...Luckily, 'No's' have a short shelf life..meaning "Not right now"..."Yes's" are permanent until otherwise stipulated, so they are good to get and go after within reason...
So yeah, its good to get a Yes if you can, but mostly if a guy asks for anything its gonna be a No...No responses are "Yes's"...Nobody answers your door knock or email inquiry? Hunt away! Thats a solid Yes!
... during the fair itself in August, .....
You gotta love Mud-puppies creative writing skills, eh ?
Ok for fairgrounds: So you, or anyone, can simply be (gasp) standing/walking there during the fair. So you were not "trespassing", if it's open to the public then.
Ok, so what's to stop you from simply going during the post-cleanup days ? I own a street sweeper company. And as such: Have often been on the cleanup team with our equipment. And there's all the various concession people folding up and packing, the cleanup, etc... And as such: The gates are open.
In other words: Fairgrounds are not *only* open during the hustle/bustle fair. So go there and look for that ring you lost.
As for scout camps, I have hit many of them. When it's not the scout camp weekends, they are a ghost-town. I've just gone right in w/o issue. But if you really really need express "yes's", then as I say: ditch the cold-call method. Find someone "out on their front porch".
... since it's owned by a private entity,....
So too are shopping centers owned by "private entities". But I'll bet you stepped foot on a shopping center recently. So too are fairgrounds (as in the case of your present post) owned by "private entities". Yet .... gates are opened and people mill about at various times.
Why is md'ing so evil that it needs some sort of special sanction ? In the same way that if the topic of discussion was: "Can I whistle dixie at the fair or shopping center" something that spelled imminent doom ?
Why is md'ing so evil that it needs some sort of special sanction ? In the same way that if the topic of discussion was: "Can I whistle dixie at the fair or shopping center" something that spelled imminent doom ?
.... this particular fair grounds is gated and locked when not in use....
...other people's property without permission......
I think we have an "image" problem here. When you say "other people's property", it conjurs up images of fence hopping , and helping ones-self to someone's front yard.
I am in no way talking about those images. I'm talking the quasi-public feel places like fairgrounds. Other examples would be places that, like fairgrounds, no one thinks twice at (gasp) the notion of someone walking there. Eg.: along RR tracks, shopping centers, etc.....
... if one is unsure. ...
Well then I guess I'm not "unsure". I grew up 2 blocks away from the 4th largest Rodeo in the world. And , the grandstands, when not in use for rodeos, concerts, truck-pull rallies, etc... was often open (maintenance ? Equestrians going to ride their horses? I dunno) . And it wasn't unusual to see folks who'd walk their dog, or whatever on the grounds. It was some sort of quasi public place (An association that leases for $1 per year from the city, or whatever) .
And having a company (a street sweeper company) that does the post cleanup at various fairs, carnivals, shows, etc..., I have often detected during those post cleanup times. No one's paid me a 2nd glance. Although, I suppose, if they had, I'd have just said "I'm with the cleanup crew" and flashed my business card.
Again no matter how you spin it, it's better advice to be respectful and ask permission. Maybe you're ok with detecting wherever you want without permission but that is poor advice to give to someone else.
... put yourself in someone else's shoes. ...